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mikec

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Well, Corey Booker introduced the Senate bill today to be a companion to Maxine Waters' House bill for reparations.

They want to study the economic impact of slavery, then pay people off.

I want to know - my kin did not own slaves, had their homes burned to the ground, and were ruined economically for generations.  Do I get reparations?

What about the Southern victims of war crimes - do they get them?  What about the 6,000 men starved to death at Camp Douglas?  Do their families get them?

Or, even the descendants of Union soldiers that died in the war.  It had to hurt their families to lose their men.

I suppose Elizabeth Warren's tribe, and all of the others, can claim them then also.  Maybe gays, Irish and Chinese immigrants as well.

Dems have lost their stupid minds.

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None of the groups you mentioned were bought and sold on the town square. Many of these people cited were traitors. I don't necessarily support reparations, but comparing slavery to raising arms against your own country misses the mark. I would favor help for Native Americans displaced from their homes as much as for African Americans. 
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No one alive now was bought and sold either.  Nor have they been for 160 years.

They weren't traitors, either.  Their country called, and they went to do their duty for it.  They were patriotic, actually.  You might remember that, back then, your country was your state first.

My kin were minding their own business on their farm, when the blues came through and killed all their livestock, took all their valuables, and burned down their home.  That left them destitute for generations.

I want my reparations.
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Fresh suffers from white guilt because he is a pathetic, weak individual looking to belong
Fresh

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What a crock of sh1t. Traitors. You can hold them in high esteem if you wish, but anyone that wants to secede from the union is a traitor in my book. That's kind of the definition of traitor. Not only that, they did it to allow the selling of human beings. Double dippers.

trai·tor
/ˈtrādər/
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  1. a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.
    "they see me as a traitor, a sellout to the enemy"
    synonyms:betrayer, back-stabber, double-crosser, double-dealer, renegade, Judas, quisling, fifth columnist, viper;

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mikec

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your book is wrong.  in those days, loyalty was state first, country second.

and, you start passing things like reparations, and you may get to call a whole lot of this country "traitor"
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States rights, not slavery.

Go back to school.
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Slavery was the issue. States rights the excuse. They fvcking seceded from the union. Traitorous.
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TheNarrator

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Lincoln offered to keep slavery if the south would come back.

Facts are tough for freshy
keepinitreal

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That's why he depends on snopees for his fact checking at crunch time
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Slavery was the issue. States rights the excuse. They fvcking seceded from the union. Traitorous.


Remember that it was your party that was the party of slavery.  Reparations, if the Dems are going to force that down our throats, should come solely from Democrats.

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By Fresh's definition, John Hancock and the whole bunch were traitors. Ask any Brit.
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Lincoln was not willing to allow slavery to continue forever. He believed a slow movement to free the slaves would be less of a hardship on slave owners that depended on them. He never offered for slavery to continue indefinitely. It wasn't a democrat, republican thing, it was humanitarian. Progressives care more about the rights of common people than most republicans do. The business republicans(trump falls into this group) have scammed you boys into believing they are being wronged by laws that protect the environment and less fortunate people that need assistance. Both monetary and legal help. Health care is a prime example. Big pharm has to be regulated and brought to a point of reason. 
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Well, Corey Booker introduced the Senate bill today to be a companion to Maxine Waters' House bill for reparations.

They want to study the economic impact of slavery, then pay people off.

I want to know - my kin did not own slaves, had their homes burned to the ground, and were ruined economically for generations.  Do I get reparations?

What about the Southern victims of war crimes - do they get them?  What about the 6,000 men starved to death at Camp Douglas?  Do their families get them?

Or, even the descendants of Union soldiers that died in the war.  It had to hurt their families to lose their men.

I suppose Elizabeth Warren's tribe, and all of the others, can claim them then also.  Maybe gays, Irish and Chinese immigrants as well.

Dems have lost their stupid minds.



Uh, not making any moral judgements about the north burning down the south, but if you want to bring in war reparations, the loser pays war reparations to the winner....

Separately, yes, families get a payment at that time, when a soldier dies or a soldier gets payment when injured or disabled, and this can happen in a POW camp.
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Uh, not making any moral judgements about the north burning down the south, but if you want to bring in war reparations, the loser pays war reparations to the winner....



After WWII maybe, did the British pay u.s. after we sent them packing?

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Uh, not making any moral judgements about the north burning down the south, but if you want to bring in war reparations, the loser pays war reparations to the winner....

Separately, yes, families get a payment at that time, when a soldier dies or a soldier gets payment when injured or disabled, and this can happen in a POW camp.


So you're saying that Democrats should be paying Republicans?

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So you're saying that Democrats should be paying Republicans?


she's like the freshyturd, they just say schitt

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TheNarrator

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Maybe we can let Lincoln set the record straight himself:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union;
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Regardless of whatever anyone wants to believe about any of that, the fact is that two black congressmembers have introduced bills to provide direct payments of some significant sum to blacks only.

If that ain't racist, I guess I don't know what is.
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Maybe we can let Lincoln set the record straight himself:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union;


I'm going to assume that you didn't find that on CNN or snopees websites, that would explain why the freshyturd was lost in this discussion like most others, it doesn't fit his narrative

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uwApoligist

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It was democrats in the south that fought tooth and nail for slavery.  They fought it in the civil war.  They fought against blacks getting civil rights in 1964.  

Below is an image of Bull Conner's Birmingham fire department using firehouses to take violently oppress blacks that are looking for nothing more than to be normal Americans.  

Bull was a Democrat!  This image does not lie.  No attempts to rewrite this history will work as long as this image remains. 


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spazsdad

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Uneducated idiots like Fresh and Kaplooey deny these truths and try to spin history.
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Left out his closing sentence.
"I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln

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TheNarrator

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Of course he wanted everyone to be free, that goes without saying.

I notice you didn’t argue the premise he would have allowed slavery to remain at its current level if it meant keeping the union together.
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pabar61

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I watched that yesterday.  Leiu and Nadler are despicable, lying human beings.  Leiu once again shaming California. God, our state sucks.
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uwApoligist

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Nadler especially come off as a weak pussy.  Purposely twisting that Owens called Leiu-louie a liar.  Owens put him in his place pronto.
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pabar61

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Nadler, mere seconds after Owens claimed that Democrats were calling blacks stupid, chastised her for calling Leiu stupid.  What an idiot.
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Then he shrugged after she called out his error. Like no big deal. I got my sound bite for the media to play
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Of course he wanted everyone to be free, that goes without saying.

I notice you didn’t argue the premise he would have allowed slavery to remain at its current level if it meant keeping the union together.


It didn't, so it was of no consequence. The Civil War was about slavery. Delude yoursel in any manner you wish. 

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