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spookyman

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can you play -D1 softball in the fall and still be able to red shirt in the spring?thanx for any info...... 
LMUfan

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While I don't have the rule at hand but I believe redshirtting is only affected by games played during the regular season.   For most schools there's absolutely no record of who participated in fall ball.  No scorecard is kept and most schools don't even use jerseys with numbers.  There'd be no way to know who participated.
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Spookyman-

To my knowledge for softball, the NCAA defines any contest played, even in the non-championship portion of play, as countable for a season played. Unless the player were injured, then fall participation would count. A quick review of the NCAA D-1 Manual didn't produce a definitive passage I could cut 'n paste to support my claim. Will research and post appropriate language when found.

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Here's a summation from an NCAA institution's web site to guide their student-athletes:

Guidelines Regarding a Student-Athlete's Seasons of Competition
The accurate recording of student-athlete participation is critical for several reasons. Unless a waiver is applied for and granted from the NCAA, all student-athletes are limited to four seasons of competitive eligibility in each sport. Once these four seasons are used, a student-athlete is no longer eligible for intercollegiate competition in that sport. Additionally, accurate documentation regarding student-athlete participation is critical in obtaining a medical hardship waiver, should the need arise.

 

A student-athlete utilizes a season of competitive eligibility if, at any time during an academic year, he/she represents the institution in competition against individuals not on the institution's team. This is true regardless of how that competition is classified or when it occurs. Therefore, a student-athlete who participates in any of the following has utilized one of his/her four seasons of competitive eligibility in that sport:

  • A joint practice session; or
  • A scrimmage (other than intra-squad); or
  • An alumni game; or
  • An exhibition.

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"There'd be no way to know who participated."

This is a parent of a player speaking. [biggrin] Ask a coach how much paperwork is involved in regards to compliance to NCAA rules. There are requirements to classify every player's involvement and participation for the express purpose of following the guidelines we are discussing in this thread.

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"There'd be no way to know who participated."

This is a parent of a player speaking. [biggrin] Ask a coach how much paperwork is involved in regards to compliance to NCAA rules. There are requirements to classify every player's involvement and participation for the express purpose of following the guidelines we are discussing in this thread.


Thanks for the correction.  I'm assuming, from your post, that you're speaking as a college coach.
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Nope, just related to one.
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Nope, just related to one.

Are you sure it's not because you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
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Actually, I prefer the Hilton Garden Inn.
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Having been in this situation with a player of my own in the past, participation in any competition against an outside opponent at any point in the year counts towards red-shirting.  Fall games do not count when it comes to receiving a medical redshirt.

However, a coach just told me of a new interp about this rule that does allow for play in an alumni game.

Aerial is a field hockey student-athlete at Ocean State University.  Here is Aerial's participation record:

2011-12- first year of enrollment- participated in the annual alumni game (exempted contest)

2012-13- 2nd year of enrollment- participated in all 20 contests plus 2 postseason contests

How many seasons of competition has Aerial used going into the 2013-14 academic year?

Aerial has used 1 season of competition.  NCAA Bylaw 14.2.3.1.4 states that a student-athlete may engage in outside competition in either one alumni game, one fundraising activity or one celebrity sports activity during a season without counting such competition as a season of competition, provided the event is exempted from the institution's maximum number of contests or dates of competition as permitted in the particular sport per Bylaw 17. (Adopted:  1/16/10 effective 8/1/10)

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