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bluedog

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All this talk of racism is foolishness and an attempt to hide the real issue............

The real issue is America's customs-and-traditions are under attack...........No matter an American's race, this country was founded on American ideals...........There's no such thing as African-American or Mexican-American, or any other thing added to American..........

When folks immigrated to America in the past, they adapted to America's customs-and-traditions..........And, obeying our laws was front-and-center............

Racism is not the issue.........
 
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Theodore Roosevelt

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”


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bluedog

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What doesn't mix is nationalities..........A person's nationality is to only one country..........

Don't be fooled with the "racism" talk"...........it's only a ploy for those wanting to change America into a cesspool............

Americans have always been open to folks of all races..........
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Is it OK if the ethnicity is after the word American?

http://aihs.org/history-of-the-aihs/

They put Irish after American in 1897 at this organization.

So you're wrong, I bet I could find a center for every immigration population, say Polish --, Italian --, etc., and all would be founded in late 1800s, early 1900s.

Oh No, I have an ancestor whose school teachers were still leading classes in their native language at school --- in the United States -- back in 1915s-20s.



Thank God the last wave of immigration, in the early 1900's, was filled with skilled people who actually understood the value of work, family and persistence towards a lasting goal.

This ugly wave of immigration?  There is no allegiance to America, or its ideals.
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It is not just about language. 

Where I grew up spoke german into the 1960's.  But they were super hard working.  Usually sharecropping with a landowner, scrimping and saving, living in the out sharecroppers outbuilding.  Eventually saving up enough to buy a couple of acres of undeveloped (forest) productive land.  Milling the timber themselves, then clearing with ox or by hand.  Eventually growing their farm, building their own home.  

There was a natural process in the 1800's and early 1900's that ensured if you came to America you were hard working.  Because if you were not hardworking America was a very tough place to live and you did not last very long. 

The socialist handouts enacted in the last 60 years have put us in a situation where immigrants do come here and live on the government dole. 

I still believe most legal immigrants come here are reasonably intelligent and reasonably hard working.   You have to have some of that just to get through the green card and immigration process.   The illegals coming here on the democrat agenda, not so much. 



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Originally Posted by bluedog
All this talk of racism is foolishness and an attempt to hide the real issue............

The real issue is America's customs-and-traditions are under attack...........No matter an American's race, this country was founded on American ideals...........There's no such thing as African-American or Mexican-American, or any other thing added to American..........

When folks immigrated to America in the past, they adapted to America's customs-and-traditions..........And, obeying our laws was front-and-center............

Racism is not the issue.........
 


Who doesn't obey our laws? What customs are under attack? You are just prattling nonsensically, as usual. Your assertion that racism isn't a problem is laughable. Racists are always the first to proclaim that they are not racist--see D. Trump, a raging racist. No, racism IS a problem. Trump stoked all of this with his constant lies about immigrants--legal or illegal--being "rapists and murders." He said that over and over again on the campaign trail and it was nothing but anti-immigrant hate.

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The problem is that, like yourself, many on the left have equated not agreeing with their opinions on social issues with an individual being racist.

Hard to take anyone seriously with that line of thinking.
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Thank God the last wave of immigration, in the early 1900's, was filled with skilled people who actually understood the value of work, family and persistence towards a lasting goal.

This ugly wave of immigration?  There is no allegiance to America, or its ideals.


The last wave of immigration? There was a huge influx in the early 1900s, true, but immigration is constant. The Italians and Irish and others from the early 20th century were no more skilled than the Hispanics of the early 21 century. Anybody--you and UW and others--who would suggest that Hispanics are not hard-working or law-abiding clearly knows nothing about them. Who do you think has been doing a great deal of the hard, unpopular labor in America for the last 30 years? They are /extremely/ hard-working. You're just reaching for reasons to justify your racism. Hispanics are no different from the Europeans of 100 years ago.

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Right on cue...

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The problem is that, like yourself, many on the left have equated not agreeing with their opinions on social issues with an individual being racist.

Hard to take anyone seriously with that line of thinking.
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Kaplooey reads like a dime store novel
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It is not just about language. 

Where I grew up spoke german into the 1960's.  But they were super hard working.  Usually sharecropping with a landowner, scrimping and saving, living in the out sharecroppers outbuilding.  Eventually saving up enough to buy a couple of acres of undeveloped (forest) productive land.  Milling the timber themselves, then clearing with ox or by hand.  Eventually growing their farm, building their own home.  

There was a natural process in the 1800's and early 1900's that ensured if you came to America you were hard working.  Because if you were not hardworking America was a very tough place to live and you did not last very long. 

The socialist handouts enacted in the last 60 years have put us in a situation where immigrants do come here and live on the government dole. 

I still believe most legal immigrants come here are reasonably intelligent and reasonably hard working.   You have to have some of that just to get through the green card and immigration process.   The illegals coming here on the democrat agenda, not so much. 




You don't really know what you're talking about. I do not support illegal immigration--but to say that they are not hard working is utter nonsense. That is all they do--work. Indeed, working and making money is precisely the reason they come here. The idea that they come here to live on the government dole is a complete falsehood. American farmers live on the dole--suck on the government teet-- more than any other group in America. Are you going to knock them?

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You don't really know what you're talking about. I do not support illegal immigration--but to say that they are not hard working is utter nonsense. That is all they do--work. Indeed, working and making money is precisely the reason they come here. The idea that they come here to live on the government dole is a complete falsehood. American farmers live on the dole--suck on the government teet-- more than any other group in America. Are you going to knock them?


Well I know two big cities you DON"T live in, Phoenix or Tucson.
You are a moron who has no concept of living in the real world. Get out of mommies basement.
TheNarrator

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That line of thinking was solid for the dems in swing states in 2016.

Let’s see if it works in 2020.
bluedog

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Kazooey, you live in your mom's basement?
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You don't really know what you're talking about. I do not support illegal immigration--but to say that they are not hard working is utter nonsense. That is all they do--work. Indeed, working and making money is precisely the reason they come here. The idea that they come here to live on the government dole is a complete falsehood. American farmers live on the dole--suck on the government teet-- more than any other group in America. Are you going to knock them?

It is fine if they want to come here and work.  We have a legal immigration system specifically for that.  Apply, get in line and wait your turn.  It is the fair way.  

There is no need to be breaking the law.  No one should feel that putting up with it is required of the American taxpayer.  Like it or not illegal immigrants cost Americans billions every year.  Social services, education, healthcare.  Which is why we have a legal immigration system in the first place.  It is also to ensure we are taking the best and brightest, as they stand the best chance of contributing to our society. 

American farmers work hard as well.  Not sure what you have against them. 

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Saying illegal immigrants cost this Country billions is a right-leaning talking point to sell the concept that mass deportation is necessary. To the contrary, many other experts say the opposite is actually true. Best to do your own research and come to your own conclusion.

https://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000788

When done, answer these four questions...

Are we a nation of immigrants?
Are we a very wealthy Country?
Are we the world’s greatest economy?
Is there a connection?

In the end you might look at immigration in a whole new light.

Some will say they’re only referencing “illegal” immigrants. If that’s the case, tap all those who qualify on the shoulder with a “legal” wand and make them immigrants like many other Americans. Then the argument over immigrant contribution to this nation may just disappear.




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Duaine, everyone quit answering your questions on your name change before you last name change

a "legal" wand? You are GAF

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Duaine, everyone quit answering your questions on your name change before you last name change

a "legal" wand? You are GAF



And wtf is with dewey's new sig line? Is that all he's got anymore?

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You don't really know what you're talking about. I do not support illegal immigration--but to say that they are not hard working is utter nonsense. That is all they do--work. Indeed, working and making money is precisely the reason they come here. The idea that they come here to live on the government dole is a complete falsehood. American farmers live on the dole--suck on the government teet-- more than any other group in America. Are you going to knock them?

You really are an ignorant phuck living in a liberal bubble. Come to SoCal and see all the illegals doing exactly what you claim they don’t. 3 families to an apartment. All their babies getting every form of government assistance available so the parents don t need to be legal to get the bennies. You think only the kids get the section 8 housing voucher. Only the kids eat the food they get from WiC and SNAP benefits. You think the dad working for cash under the table somehow contributes a penny to the system that educates all their offspring, gives them pre and post school childcare, gives them free breakfast and lunch at school and a Medicare card for their free healthcare
Such a joke of a human preaching down from your ivory tower. You have no clue outside of your spoon fed talking points. You sound like every liberal personality on CNN, MSNBC, Vox and all the others.

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Saying illegal immigrants cost this Country billions is a right-leaning talking point to sell the concept that mass deportation is necessary. To the contrary, many other experts say the opposite is actually true. Best to do your own research and come to your own conclusion.


Once again Will is back with a whole new basket of lies.

The readers will notice he did not address his entire party is now for the decriminalization of crossing the border illegally.

Seems his party is finally embracing open borders.  I say good for them.
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Well I know two big cities you DON"T live in, Phoenix or Tucson.
You are a moron who has no concept of living in the real world. Get out of mommies basement.



Racists are always looking to rationalize their racism. Immigrants have often been the subject of xenophobia and bigotry--see the Italians and Chinese 100 years ago. You guys are the same--good old-fashioned bigots.

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Kazoo when he enters an internet forum:

Image result for Oprah you're a racist
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I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.





Seems if you live by Dr. Kings words you are now a Racist in the eyes of the left.



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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

This has always been my dream. Make your own way in life. Put up, or shut up. Do your best, and climb the ladder to success. If you fail, don't blame anyone but yourself for your failure. If you don't like the results of the first go round, chew through the concrete wall the second go round. Never, ever stop trying to achieve your goals in life. Never, ever let anyone tell you that your first failure was anything other than the result you designed and created for yourself by your own hand. Never let anyone tell you that you cannot acieve the goal you have set before yourself. To do so is to accept failure before you have embarked upon your intended path. Be better than you have ever imagined. You owe it to yourself and our society as a free American. God I love our nation. I wish that all our citizens could rise above their partisan hatred and get our nation back on track to the greatness that God has bestowed upon us. It's a shining light dangled before us, that somehow we cannot grasp as a nation.



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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

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Are we a nation of immigrants?
Legal immigrants.  We are also a nation of laws established via agreements through congress.  One side seems to want to dismantle that system in the immigration area.  The law is easy to change, just get the votes.
Are we a very wealthy Country?
Some here are wealthy.  Illegal immigration crushes the lower class wage earner.  Your inability to understand that is why this appraoch will continue to cost the democrats a lot of votes. 
Are we the world’s greatest economy?
Yes.  Our rejections of socialism, and it's false promises of free everything has created an economy that is very good at using hard earned capital to invest and create new companies, and create new jobs. 
Is there a connection?
Nothing every really seems to connect up for you.  Over complicated spins and twists keep your from seeing the obvious points, right in front of  you.  Good thing I am here for you.  Right?

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Some will say they’re only referencing “illegal” immigrants. If that’s the case, tap all those who qualify on the shoulder with a “legal” wand and make them immigrants like many other Americans. Then the argument over immigrant contribution to this nation may just disappear.

And the difference from this and 'open borders' is what, specifically?

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Racists are always looking to rationalize their racism. Immigrants have often been the subject of xenophobia and bigotry--see the Italians and Chinese 100 years ago. You guys are the same--good old-fashioned bigots.


Typical kaplooey,emotional cry baby,no facts. No real world experience.
You definitely live in mommies basement.Guarantee it.
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Typical kaplooey,emotional cry baby,no facts. No real world experience.
You definitely live in mommies basement.Guarantee it.


You're funny, man--a dumb, funny rube.

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And wtf is with dewey's new sig line? Is that all he's got anymore?


I would have never noticed, he lies so often

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If only there was an ignore feature built into the forum, we could have an intellectual debate about politics without a rabid Socialist throwing out the race card every post. Used to be some pretty deep and meaningful debate on this forum. Now it’s just lobbing bombs and defamation.
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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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If we did ban accusations of hating minorities, we'd have to also ban the accusations of hating cops, veterans, whites, freedom, Americans, women, Capitalism, and babies.  Worthy goals for sure but extremely difficult in these very divisive times.



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