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Will_I_Wynn

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"The lie Obama repeatedly told the American people was a lie from the onset.  He and the Democrats knew it."

Not at all.  I completely disagree.  Obama's prediction was no different than the Right predicting death panels would occur if we passed Obamacare which they knew would never happen and Trump predicting he would repeal Obamacare when he knew that wouldn't happen.  Obama is just picked out to be labeled a liar because the Right hates him so much and because they need justification for President Trump spreading falsehoods.  You gotta have an Obama example of a supposed lie to give Trump an excuse.  Unfortunately for the angry Right, this one about Obama doesn't rise to a lie, imo.

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"The lie Obama repeatedly told the American people was a lie from the onset.  He and the Democrats knew it."

Not at all.  I completely disagree.  Obama's prediction


It wasn't a prediction - they knew:

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”  

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”  

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them. 

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That's not it at all.  It's a life raft for President Trump.  The Right needs justification for a President who is not straight with the American people.  It's embarrassing without a "he did it too" excuse at their disposal.  In any event, it's my prediction to the readers.  Watch each time Trump tells Americans something that isn't true and count the number of times you hear the Right say "If you like your doctor...".  It will be clear then if it isn't clear now.


Once again, you are completely wrong.  We were calling out Obama's healthcare lies ( and you were lying to protect him) long before Trump was even a candidate for office.  This is a continuation of that same conversation.  

As we have all pointed out, nobody is justifying Trump's lies and many of us on the right did not vote for him for a myriad of reasons.

You alone are on partisan island, trying to explain what someone you have never met or spoken to meant.

Obama lied, Dewey cried.

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Great video coach:

"It's absolutely not a tax increase"
"You can't just make up that language and decide that's called a tax increase"
"because you had to look that up indicates to me your are stretching"
"I absolutely reject that notion"
Will_I_Wynn

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"It wasn't a prediction - they knew."

Nobody knows what will happen in the future for certain.  That's why Trump can say he'll repeal Obamacare when he knows it won't happen.  It's why Trump says he'd lock up Hillary when they knew he couldn't.  It's why Trump said Mexico would write a check for the wall when they knew they wouldn't.

I understand why the Right wants to call Obama a liar.  Just try to understand why many of us on the Left disagree.  Don't give President Trump an excuse.  Think of your Country first.

PS:  You never met Obama either and yet you call him a liar.  Good grief!

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 Trump should be honest with the American people.


Will_I_Wynn

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I said my efforts were not to persuade the Right who already has made up their mind.  My efforts are to allow readers to read what Obama actually said to clarify his position.  They can decide for themselves.

Obama - "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."


I can't pass a law that says, "I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees." What I can say is that the government is not going force you to-- your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it.



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Imagine President Obama shutting down Government until Republicans voted for Obamacare or voted for the gang of eight immigration bill.  #CheckThePresidency  Democrats can't allow this strong arm tactic by President Trump.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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No, that's it.

It's just fun to get you all riled up about President Obama's lies.


That's an understatement

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"It wasn't a prediction - they knew."

Nobody knows what will happen in the future for certain.  That's why Trump can say he'll repeal Obamacare when he knows it won't happen.  It's why Trump says he'd lock up Hillary when they knew he couldn't.  It's why Trump said Mexico would write a check for the wall when they knew they wouldn't.

I understand why the Right wants to call Obama a liar.  Just try to understand why many of us on the Left disagree.  Don't give President Trump an excuse.  Think of your Country first.

PS:  You never met Obama either and yet you call him a liar.  Good grief!


Except they did know, and a major architect of the plan admitted they had to lie to get it passed.  And not many on the left, just the few that are blinded.

Every time I read your painful excuses, it brings me back to George Costanza:
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"It wasn't a prediction - they knew."

Nobody knows what will happen in the future for certain.  That's why Trump can say he'll repeal Obamacare when he knows it won't happen.  It's why Trump says he'd lock up Hillary when they knew he couldn't.  It's why Trump said Mexico would write a check for the wall when they knew they wouldn't.

I understand why the Right wants to call Obama a liar.  Just try to understand why many of us on the Left disagree.  Don't give President Trump an excuse.  Think of your Country first.

PS:  You never met Obama either and yet you call him a liar.  Good grief!


Because there is evidence that he lied!!!  You are the one claiming to know what he "meant".  You have no clue what he meant except that much later in the conversation, he had to change his tune because he had been caught in the lie. 

Some good advice for you - the best way to get out of a hole is to stop digging.

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You want me to post my evidence again showing Obama did not lie?
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He lied.
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Snopees said so.  it is over.
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You want me to post my evidence again showing Obama did not lie?


Do whatever floats your boat.  To date, you've posted no evidence other than quotes from Obama trying to clarify his lies.

Our evidence includes multiple videos of him telling the lie, Gruber reinforcing the lie, other people reinforcing the lie, and the very liberal WaPo recognizing it as a lie.

But, by all means, knock yourself out.

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Time to stop giving this President cover and allow the readers to make their own decision on whether Obama lied.
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Imagine President Obama shutting down Government until Republicans voted for Obamacare or voted for the gang of eight immigration bill.  #CheckThePresidency  Democrats can't allow this strong arm tactic by President Trump.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Time to stop giving this President cover and allow the readers to make their own decision on whether Obama lied.


You don't get it.  The current President has nothing to do with the fact that Obama lied.  Nobody here is trying to make that connection.  Many of us have been very critical of some of the things that Trump has done - e.g. - I was and remain very critical of the tariffs.

You are attempting to connect the two because the evidence is so heavily stacked against you.  In the long run, maybe you will discover that honesty is your friend.

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Donald Trump predicted Mexico would pay for a wall and sources told him that wouldn't happen.  Donald Trump predicted we'd reach 5% annual GDP and sources said that isn't going to happen.  Obama predicted you can keep your policy and doctor and sources said that won't be the case.  The Right predicted we'd have death panels as a result of Obamacare and many sources said that was inaccurate.  Donald Trump predicted he would get rid of Obamacare in the first few months after the election and sources said he couldn't do that.  Politicians predict many outcomes and I don't get why President Obama is the only one to be picked out and labeled a liar.  I believe it is partisan in nature.


None of you even attempted to explain the difference between all these examples of President's claims.  Why do you call some lies and some not?  Please explain using each example.

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Imagine President Obama shutting down Government until Republicans voted for Obamacare or voted for the gang of eight immigration bill.  #CheckThePresidency  Democrats can't allow this strong arm tactic by President Trump.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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None of you even attempted to explain the difference between all these examples of President's claims.  Why do you call some lies and some not?  Please explain using each example.


Now you're saying that Obama's lie was actually a prediction?  This is the first time you have referenced it as such.  Trying to again conflate the issue.

Goalposts moved.

Obama lied, Dewey cried.

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Because we are smart enough to figure out when someone is being straightforward and when they are selling something.   Sorry you are not able to play this game.
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If one admitted the Right claiming Obamacare would create death panels was a legitimate Politifact "lie of the year", since the Right was told that would not happen, I could almost understand why they would also think Obama deserved a "lie of the year" award.  But the lack of consistency on the Right's part tells me their hypocrisy is because of a hatred for the man.
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Imagine President Obama shutting down Government until Republicans voted for Obamacare or voted for the gang of eight immigration bill.  #CheckThePresidency  Democrats can't allow this strong arm tactic by President Trump.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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If one admitted the Right claiming Obamacare would create death panels was a legitimate Politifact "lie of the year", since the Right was told that would not happen, I could almost understand why they would also think Obama deserved a "lie of the year" award.  But the lack of consistency on the Right's part tells me their hypocrisy is because of a hatred for the man.


I thought you were going to bring some evidence.

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Right here it is.  Obama's own words.  Government does not intend to interfere with your private health insurance and private doctor.  Obama wasn't saying everyone was going to be keeping their doctor and insurance.  He was saying the Government isn't going to take them away from you and force you to buy Government insurance or see Government doctors.

Obama - "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."


I can't pass a law that says, "I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees." What I can say is that the government is not going force you to-- your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it.




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Imagine President Obama shutting down Government until Republicans voted for Obamacare or voted for the gang of eight immigration bill.  #CheckThePresidency  Democrats can't allow this strong arm tactic by President Trump.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Do whatever floats your boat.  To date, you've posted no evidence other than quotes from Obama trying to clarify his lies.

Our evidence includes multiple videos of him telling the lie, Gruber reinforcing the lie, other people reinforcing the lie, and the very liberal WaPo recognizing it as a lie.

But, by all means, knock yourself out.


Heading to page 4 and he hasn't shown evidence yet. Thought if he built a thread he would come with evidence in page 1, post 1. Not the rabbit hole dweller

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The lie Obama repeatedly told the American people was a lie from the onset.  He and the Democrats knew it.  Also, it changed 1/6th of this country's economy.  That law made individual American citizens criminals if they did not buy a product.  Perhaps I should look up his lie where he told the American People it was not a tax!  It is easy enough to find that one.



Before clarification, "right here it is"

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No, that's it.

It's just fun to get you all riled up about President Obama's lies.

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Right here it is.  Obama's own words.  Government does not intend to interfere with your private health insurance and private doctor.  Obama wasn't saying everyone was going to be keeping their doctor and insurance.  He was saying the Government isn't going to take them away from you and force you to buy Government insurance or see Government doctors.

Obama - "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."


I can't pass a law that says, "I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees." What I can say is that the government is not going force you to-- your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it.





Give us the dates of these quotes so we can see how long after his initial many assertions, he issued these necessary adjustments to his original lies.

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Pabar, he was clarifying, not adjusting, clarifying because he can't speak the English language and be understood the first 20 times. He needs to come back the 21st time and CLARIFY
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I'm not going to do your research for you.  I'm not trying to change your mind.  That would be a waste of our time.  Readers will find them if interested.  
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He's on his 5th day defending Obama's lies but he's not going to waste time. Funny ass loser
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I don't think Dewey understands how this works in the real world.

If you want people to sway to your side you have to provide evidence.

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He thinks his quadrupled handles have built credibility.
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