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Will_I_Wynn

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I said my efforts were not to persuade the Right who already has made up their mind.  My efforts are to allow readers to read what Obama actually said to clarify his position.  They can decide for themselves.

Obama - "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."


I can't pass a law that says, "I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees." What I can say is that the government is not going force you to-- your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it.




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Except they did know, and a major architect of the plan admitted they had to lie to get it passed.  And not many on the left, just the few that are blinded.

Every time I read your painful excuses, it brings me back to George Costanza:

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The lie Obama repeatedly told the American people was a lie from the onset.  He and the Democrats knew it.  Also, it changed 1/6th of this country's economy.  That law made individual American citizens criminals if they did not buy a product.  Perhaps I should look up his lie where he told the American People it was not a tax!  It is easy enough to find that one.


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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
I said my efforts were not to persuade the Right who already has made up their mind.  My efforts are to allow readers to read what Obama actually said to clarify his position.  They can decide for themselves.

Obama - "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."


I can't pass a law that says, "I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees." What I can say is that the government is not going force you to-- your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it.




Maybe you should go away for a bit, come up with some evidence, then come back and try to sway the readers.  That may work a bit better than just rambling at them.

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TheNarrator

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He’s had no response for the tax quotes. Great work Coach
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"Better yet, let's just shut down all the Democrat and Obama criticism, if you can't stand hearing anyone respond, and we'll make this all about softball again. I'm ready to stop when you guys are."

Duaine circa 2013

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I said my efforts were not to persuade the Right who already has made up their mind.  My efforts are to allow readers to read what Obama actually said to clarify his position.  They can decide for themselves.

Obama - "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."


I can't pass a law that says, "I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees." What I can say is that the government is not going force you to-- your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it.




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#CheckThePresidency 

Nicole Wallace - "You can't ever stop talking about how abnormal the behavior of the leader of the free world is."

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


keepinitreal

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Originally Posted by CoachB25
The lie Obama repeatedly told the American people was a lie from the onset.  He and the Democrats knew it.  Also, it changed 1/6th of this country's economy.  That law made individual American citizens criminals if they did not buy a product.  Perhaps I should look up his lie where he told the American People it was not a tax!  It is easy enough to find that one.


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Or this one?





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I believe anytime Government collects money from taxpayers, it's a tax.  Justice Roberts agreed.  President Obama and Republicans both thought the penalty wasn't a tax.  We now have our answer until some other SC changes it.

President Obama didn't believe he had the authority to do the DACA deal.  Lawyers finally convinced him otherwise and so the test decision began.  We still don't know if a President has such authority but we know he does have it until a Court says otherwise.

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How about if the government forces people to spend money on stuff they do not need?  Besides fu*ked up, what do you call that?
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As you may know, many I think, but me for sure have stopped answering WIW after the countless times I provided video evidence of Obama saying his various lies to the American Public and then WIW saying that he didn't say it.  I believe I posted one video 5 times in a thread after WIW said he didn't say something.  From there it became apparent to me that I should ignore all else he has to offer.  When indisputable evidence is presented in a person's words and then to have the various lies posted here including statements about Obamacare and to have WIW continue to say that he didn't say what he said, that was enough for me.  Where is the ignore feature when you need one?  LOL  


I thought we agreed there was no such thing as indisputable evidence.  We submitted Obama's birth certificate and that was said to be a fake.  We showed video of Trump saying Mexico would pay for a wall and were told he meant something else.  We have video of Trump asking for Russia's help in finding Hillary emails and were told it wasn't what we think.  There is no indisputable evidence, just court verdicts.  It's time the Right gets over this fantasy they are the only ones who know proof when they see it.

As for President Obama saying you can keep your health insurance plan, I submitted the news interview where he explained what he meant by that slogan.  You don't have to accept his explanation but I understood it clearly.  Almost everyone in here understands there was no way every American in the US was going to keep their same insurance plan.  Many businesses change plans every year and Obama knew that, I knew that, and I suspect most inside here knew that.  Over 90% did keep their plans and Obama was right about not being required to buy plans from the Government.  "Keep your plan" meant Government would not mandate you leave the private market and buy an insurance policy on a Government exchange.  You're free to dismiss my explanation but if you believe all the things Trump has told you, then you're in no position to call me out for my belief on this one.


As I explained last year:

Obama - "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

You can keep your plan and keep your doctor was his way of saying stay in the private market if that is your wish.  There are two opinions out there and readers are free to believe as they wish.

a)  Obama was trying to fool a small percent of Americans into thinking they would be keeping their insurance and doctor, or...

b)  Obama was trying to explain to Americans they would not be required to come to the Government exchanges to buy insurance policies, would not have to see specific doctors determined by the Government, and the Government was not in the process of taking over the healthcare industry.

Form your own conclusion as you see fit. 

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Nicole Wallace - "You can't ever stop talking about how abnormal the behavior of the leader of the free world is."

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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