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JackDandy

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Dewey said "swifty - I challenge you to pull out the worst attack from a left wing member and link it.  One minute your explaining why your side is so frustrated and subject to intense and vitriolic commentary and the next minute you wrongly suggest our side posts similarly.  If that's true, put it up there already.


Dewd, although a few of the threads have since been deleted, dingleberry, (POV), and goohawk have on several occasions called us "Teabaggers" which is a reference to a grotesque homosexual act.
Not to mention the fact that we have been told to go to hell, called Nazis, racists, and accused of wanting to see blacks hanging from trees from none other than your wonderful democrat leaders.


Dewey asked for examples of "progressive/liberal" board members attacking right-leaning board members.  Using a Congressman's attack on Tea Party members (I have NEVER used the term you mentioned) & other comments from our "wonderful democrat leaders" doesn't cut it.  It is YOUR side that uses all the derogatory references to board members - "dingleberry", "POV", "goohawk", "Dewd", "dingdong", among others.  And then there are all the references to our President, his wife, the VP, democratic Congressmen & women, democRats, etc., etc.  That type of juvenile name-calling doesn't help your side at all & should cease.

goYard, you quoted my post yet you failed to READ my post.
dingleberry, (POV), and goohawk have on several occasions called us "Teabaggers" which is a reference to a grotesque homosexual act.
Are these NOT board members? And their references to us Tea Party members as "Teabaggers" has earned them their appropriate nick names. 


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And here yet again is a prime example of why all of you Progressive/Liberals have no credibility. While you occasionally will admit to your Democratic political leaders sometimes using name calling and vitriolic language, you will never admit that your Progressive/Liberal brethren on this forum do the same.

Dewey, since you have taken to memorizing every post of just about every conservative poster on this forum, I'm sure that you are well aware of the instances of name calling and vitriol perpetrated by your Liberal allies, you just will never admit to them.

I will readily admit that some of us on the right are sometimes guilty of name calling and vitriol on this forum. You won't admit to the same by those on your side, hence your credibility gap. Your feigned attempt at total innocence on behalf of all Liberals on this forum is again disingenious and blatantly false.
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JD - In keeping with your logic, then you deserve any name calling that comes your way, which, of course will create more name calling until an adult intervenes and suggests that those who name call can expect name calling back, or an adult can stop the cycle because he or she is adult enough to endure childish name calling.  It's all so stupid and immature !!  Stick to discussing.  Name calling is much too easy when one is anonymous and is not risking a bloody lip or nose.      
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goYard, you quoted my post yet you failed to READ my post.
dingleberry, (POV), and goohawk have on several occasions called us "Teabaggers" which is a reference to a grotesque homosexual act.
Are these NOT board members? And their references to us Tea Party members as "Teabaggers" has earned them their appropriate nick names. 


I did read your post.  That's why I replied to it.  I did a search for the term you find so objectionable (and by the way, it's not just a (grotesque) "homosexual" act - heterosexuals do it, too - and there are some who may not find it "grotesque" - so aren't you stereotyping, too?) and I found exactly 8 posts (yes, some may have been deleted) mentioning the term & only ONE that actually used the term in a "name-calling" way.  I still believe that there is far more name-calling being done by the right than the left.  (I find what's been done to POV's name particularly offensive.)  But ALL of it should stop.  If you can't address me or anyone else by my chosen board name, then don't talk to me - or about me - at all.  And I will extend the same courtesy to you.
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I'm voting for change!

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It is ironic
that we have a tread such as this?  I guess the left does not realize how blatant NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC ... lean to the left.  In no way are they as balanced as Fox is.


Sorry, I stop reading because I pee'd my pants from laughing so hard after reading the first lines
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c'mon GoYard, as soon as I think of a clever twist on your name I will include you, but for now, you have to admit that the (POV) is VERY clever. (Even though I have to credit fasterhorse for coming up with it) I mean the two butt cheeks with P & V tattooed on them. You must find that more than mildly amusing. 
Why are libs so thin skinned, but when they are doing the attacking, we are all supposed to lighten up and get a sense of humor?


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I give up.  I've tried 3 times to type a response.  Each time something happens when I'm just short of a book and I lose everything.

Lovemesomesoftball, I'm glad I made you laugh.  We all need that.

Dewey, imagine some clever conservative response to your response to me.  Comment a time or two that I'm ignorant and then take my imaginary response with a grain of salt.  I'm just not going to type that much again and lose it.

Take care,


ps. To my friend Bluedog, thanks for the kind words.
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JD - Not clever, just vulgar.  Then again, that might be your concept of clever.  One never knows.    
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I would encourage our independent left leaning thinkers on this board to not get bogged down with the character assassinations, the diversion and the flipping of the usual suspects on this board who lay in wait for that "gotcha moment".  Don't allow yourself to be sucked into their vortex of muck.

The Republican Party is in disarray, they don't have a viable candidate who can win and are rudderless.  They know it.  Desperate they revert to the afore mentioned tactics and many of the others outlined in the initial post. 

Continue to make your points but don't enable.  

...just a suggestion.  
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I give up.  I've tried 3 times to type a response. 

Dewey, imagine some clever conservative response to your response to me.  Comment a time or two that I'm ignorant and then take my imaginary response with a grain of salt. 


CoachB25 - First off, I have a lot of trouble with this site too when using Internet Explorer.  I'm not too savvy on computers but I did figure out how to download the Mozilla Firefox browser and that works better and doesn't freeze up as much.  Try it.

Secondly, I hope I've never called you ignorant and I'd be interested in eventually reading your response.
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I would encourage our independent left leaning thinkers on this board to not get bogged down with the character assassinations, the diversion and the flipping of the usual suspects on this board who lay in wait for that "gotcha moment".  Don't allow yourself to be sucked into their vortex of muck.

The Republican Party is in disarray, they don't have a viable candidate who can win and are rudderless.  They know it.  Desperate they revert to the afore mentioned tactics and many of the others outlined in the initial post. 

Continue to make your points but don't enable.  

...just a suggestion.  


Now there's an oxymoronic phrase if I ever saw one. Most all of you of the left leaning ilk on this forum are neither independent nor thinking. You spew the party talking points and attack and denigrate anyone that doesn't believe as you do. Most of you have never once posted you own thoughts. Instead you link or copy and paste some other liberal's thoughts you've dug up on the Internet.
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POV - I'm not sure what you're getting at but I'd like to repeat a story I've told here before....

A big kid smacks another kid around at school and takes his lunch money.  This goes on for weeks and weeks until the little kid finally has enough and snaps mentally, grabs and slams the big kid to the ground, and kicks him a couple of times while he's down before walking away.  Now some of the kids who have watched for these many weeks come forward and ask the little kid why he fights so dirty?

Some here on this site attribute a response like this as an equally wrong transgression.  What's funny, in real life, Republicans would cheer this other kid on.  I guess one could use my example and claim both sides beat up on the other equally but I think there is a significant difference.  At some point one gets tired of being ridiculed and reacts.  Of course, that doesn't necessarily make it right.  That's how I see most exchanges around here and I suspect others will disagree with my perspective on this forum and that's certainly their right. 

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“We but mirror the world. All the tendencies present in the outer world are to be found in the world of our body. If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. This is the divine mystery supreme. A wonderful thing it is and the source of our happiness. We need not wait to see what others do.”
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Dewey, you're preaching to the choir.  Your story hit the nail and we all have that "snapped" moment considering the constant barrage of infantile attacks/accusations and ridicule.  I believe the immature intent of the usual suspects is to garner attention.  Notice how puffed one personality gets with what she believed to be "wit" or "humor".  She has patted herself on the back many times in the past and will continue to do so if she gets the attention she so desperately craves. Notice the withdrawal symptoms when they don't get that attention, "wheres Dewey?" or the baited hook (PoV).  To me acknowledging is enabling and enabling never has a positive outcome.

On a national scale I think the attacks/accusations/lies need to handled differently.  Ignoring has proven detrimental in the past and head on confrontation is often called for but doing so takes time away from the more pressing issues.  Planned?  Oh yeah...... Birthers, teleprompters, Muslims, calories, etc.  It's a tactic that the minions appreciate.  They aren't interested in the facts, just a basal night of rassalin.   Fox Club anyone?

JMO.


........still no word on those examples of Lefties attacking the Righties you asked for.  Good luck with that.



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POV - I hear you.  Back in the day when I thought folks were interested in an exchange of ideas, I committed to responding to all points directed at me in order to see if I could my get opponents to do the same.  I tired of making good arguments only to see no response on their part.  In most instances, this tactic failed and the debate didn't improve to the level I had hoped for.  My role has turned more to an "acknowledger", as you say, and it's time I focus more on the subject at hand, if and when I choose to post.  I understand our readers are sparse but, as I said in a post some time ago, whenever I watch or read an opinion that doesn't fairly represent the facts as I understand them, this forum provides me the outlet to present my countering thoughts.  Hopefully, I can limit myself to do just that and do better at ignoring some of the unnecessary "where's Dewey" posts.     

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An interesting civil exchange of ideals by the Democrats.

Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa had some profane, combative words for Republicans while warming up the crowd for President Obama in Detroit, Michigan on Monday.

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa Jr. said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitc*** out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.

Obama addressed the crowd shortly after Hoffa.




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Regarding the Bully analogy :


I would get calls, text and pm's from many of my friends who post on the college softball forum of this site.....that another poster felt I was a bully after I posted a response to what I felt was a personal attack or bait laced post.

Those who don't know, I sharpen my writing skills as a writer for stand up comedians. I also performed stand up for more than 10 years before getting a regular writer gig.  My comebacks aren't Disneyesque...as I more of a student of Richard Pryor and George Carlin than Bill Cosby.

I had no problem IMMEDIATELY slamming a poster who took a swipe at me. I really could care less about their feeling....felt we were all grown here, and since they started they shouldn't be upset that I publicly humiliated them.  I learned that some of my words cut like a knife and friendships were loss because of my ego. Thus I re-evaluated what brought us to this website in the first place.......I think it is safe to say softball.

Most of us are softball fans, and although we don't cheer for the same team the majority of us appreciate the great efforts that many teams bring day in and out during the season. Some knew each other prior to posting others have met good friends on this board. There are really lots of good people on this board.  I had to make a decision. That was, is my opinion about softball, UCLA, batting helmets, bats, hit batters more important than friendships. It is doubtful my opinions about UCLA softball will influence KIP, doubtful coaches in the SEC care about what I have to say on this forum and seriously doubtful that anybody in D.Cgives a rats a$$ about the posts on this forum. My post can make the experience for other posters on this board better or worse.

For those on the right.....believe it or not, Dewey and I have gotten into some tiffs. To the point where Dewey has contacted me and just given me a blanket apology......for whatever it was that got me upset at him. Looking back it was nothing. Dewey might not agree with your politics but he is a good guy.

For those on the left.....you will never believe the exchanges I initially had with Rocklifter. I won't go there because it is in the past and we both moved on from it. Moved far enough from it to become friends. I probably disagree with 99.99% of his political beliefs but I respect him as a person, and I do believe there is a sacredness about human beings. So I choose not to go over a line.

Now every now and then ....there is some person ready to push my buttons and try to step up to me .....I try to respond nicely but after 2 or 3 nice responses if they want to go there ...I am all for it. Hopefully My mentor Mr. Bill Smith is correct and I will learn to hide my goat better

All I am asking is how far do some of you want to escalate the attacks ? When you decide consider what is gained and what is loss.

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LMSS, Dewey is Dewey, and he openly admits that He has all his political eggs in the Obama basket. The name calling is a result of the frustration being voiced when one side of a debate refuses to see any fault of any sort with their political side of the argument. Rather than being open to alternatives in the current administrations rather dismal record, the denial continues, and we continue to see the Left walking over the cliff blindly smiling like lemmings as they hold our hands dragging us along with them. Dewey is a stand up guy, and I find no fault with his passionate defense of his ideals. I just can't see the benefit of continuing to ignore the 800lb gorilla sitting in the living room, and becoming frustrated while peeling bananas that keep getting eaten away by some mysterious invisible force. It is redundant and pointless.
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 Dewey is a stand up guy, and I find no fault with his passionate defense of his ideals. I just can't see the benefit of continuing to ignore the 800lb gorilla sitting in the living room...
It is redundant and pointless.


woody - Thanks, I think.  In any event, I'll never understand this argument.  Where I come from, debaters don't offer up points to help their opponents.  It's my goal, and my deep desire, to do all I can to convince anyone who cares that we are better off by far with Obama returning to office rather than returning to Republican rule.  I'll highlight all the positives I can to make my case and it's up to you to make a case to the contrary.  I'm not here to find any faults or mistakes that may help you do that.  That's your job.
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 Dewey is a stand up guy, and I find no fault with his passionate defense of his ideals. I just can't see the benefit of continuing to ignore the 800lb gorilla sitting in the living room...
It is redundant and pointless.


woody - Thanks, I think.  In any event, I'll never understand this argument.  Where I come from, debaters don't offer up points to help their opponents.  It's my goal, and my deep desire, to do all I can to convince anyone who cares that we are better off by far with Obama returning to office rather than returning to Republican rule.  I'll highlight all the positives I can to make my case and it's up to you to make a case to the contrary.  I'm not here to find any faults or mistakes that may help you do that.  That's your job.


Dewey

I think you've just clarified why it is we are unable to have a productive conversation.

While I can only speak for myself, I'd venture to say that it appears to me that most of the posters on the "Right" are similar to me in that they bring up topics that are important to them and they attempt to discuss them in terms of good, bad, right, wrong and how in our opinion it could be done better. We are not touting the party line but our own opinions of the issues. If there is something or someone on our side with which we disagree, we'll say so.

You on the other hand, as you've indicated above, you are a propaganda machine for the Obama administration. You will defend him no matter what and consequently we never hear your own deeply held beliefs on any given matter particularly if in fact you disagree with the administration. If you ever do, we'll certainly never know.

You appear to view these threads as literally a debate wherein one argues a position and cannot deviate from it. I view these threads as discussions where we throw around ideas in an attempt to come to a dertimination of the best solution.

It appears we have different goals regarding this forum and as a result we speak over each other and not to each other which ultimately results in a degraded conversation.

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Swifty - your description above is pretty much in a nut nutshell why we are on the edge of this cliff.  The liberals have pretty much owned the congress for the last 50 yrs.  They have learned well how to work "in mass" and play hard politics.  Repubs are willing to give too much dis lose weaknesses the libs then exploit.  Now that we are ready to fall of the soci 
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swifty - With your perspective, you can't see these daily threads as my side does.  As I've said before, outside of this particular thread, it's thread after thread consistently pointing out the foibles of left leaning thinking.  Whether it be Tax Cheat Geithner, Maxine Waters, Biden, Gore, Pelosi, or Obama, it's generally a bash the left day in this forum.  When asked why the need, your side made it perfectly clear of their frustration and desire to put an end to this Administration.  After ten years, we just didn't wake up and get political around here.  To suggest you're here just to understand the thought processes of "lefties" is hard for me to swallow.  There's been an agenda here from the beginning.

I've tried to discuss the pros and cons of our two social programs to little avail.  People would rather just chant Constitution Constitution instead of debating these programs.  My ultimate goal was to lead the discussion of the success of these two programs to one on national health care but I couldn't even determine if folks were in favor of mandatory SS and Medicare or not.  Couldn't get direct answers to proceed with a debate that few wanted anyway.  Needless to say, I don't fully buy your point that folks on the Right here are simply searching out information from their counterparts.  Terms like lowlifes, teat suckers, deadbeats, nanny state, handouts, Socialists, tax cheats, liars, etc., suggest to me an educational back and forth discussion is not the primary goal. 


Edit:  As for tagging an Obama supporter with the "propaganda" label is just one other area where a dig seems welcomed at any chance around here.  I should have asked you to substantiate this shot.

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Now that we are ready to fall off the socialism Repubs are not so willing to give in like they didbefore and the libs just say we are just obstructionist vs we are the ones that have given and that why we are all but to the point of no return and dont want to go over the edge. Plus alot of repub politicians have gotten a good lofe off of the big govt so if the people arent going to speak up why should we.  We have spoiled the libs and now that we are speaking up they will fight with everything they have and I too hope we do not end up with some of the violence that europe has seen.
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Our govt has three branches for give and take but hopefully this election we will get control of the senate with enough of a majority that we can actually go in a conservative direction andget some people back to work, downsize govt, and let the economy grow.   Balanced budget and term limits are really a necessary start in changes plus zero baseline accounting for the govt!
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Dewey

As I said at the start, I can't speak for all on my side of the asile, but the fact that you can't take me at my word as to my motivations is exactly part of the problem.

In addition, when one side displays it's deep seeded beliefs on an issue and the opposing side counteres with a disingenuous retort that on it's face isn't heart felt but only meant to defend one's political allies, the natural result is a belief even you don't believe in what you are arguing. If instead of a defense at all costs approach, you actually provided your real reaction to or beliefs on a matter I would bet that a more productive conversation would result. You need to understand that I believe that many concersatives on this forum find it very frustrating to converse with you because we don't believe that you actually believe in everything that you post. So, it apprears that your being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative or to sometimes defending the indefensible.
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Dewey

In addition, when one side displays it's deep seeded beliefs on an issue and the opposing side counteres with a disingenuous retort that on it's face isn't heart felt but only meant to defend one's political allies, the natural result is a belief even you don't believe in what you are arguing. 


Do you mean like when I made that long post and you simply replied, "bunk".  Or when you followed my post of my sincere beliefs and you said you were going to puke?


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Dewey

As I said at the start, I can't speak for all on my side of the asile, but the fact that you can't take me at my word as to my motivations is exactly part of the problem. 



swifty - You have used words like "no credibility", bunk, puke, and GoStupids, just to name a few.  Which of your words would you like me to use to make my generalizations about what goes on around here?  If you want me to start as of today, I'll try.
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swifty - With your perspective, you can't see these daily threads as my side does.  As I've said before, outside of this particular thread, it's thread after thread consistently pointing out the foibles of left leaning thinking.  Whether it be Tax Cheat Geithner, Maxine Waters, Biden, Gore, Pelosi, or Obama, it's generally a bash the left day in this forum.  When asked why the need, your side made it perfectly clear of their frustration and desire to put an end to this Administration.  After ten years, we just didn't wake up and get political around here.  To suggest you're here just to understand the thought processes of "lefties" is hard for me to swallow.  There's been an agenda here from the beginning.

I've tried to discuss the pros and cons of our two social programs to little avail.  People would rather just chant Constitution Constitution instead of debating these programs.  My ultimate goal was to lead the discussion of the success of these two programs to one on national health care but I couldn't even determine if folks were in favor of mandatory SS and Medicare or not.  Couldn't get direct answers to proceed with a debate that few wanted anyway.  Needless to say, I don't fully buy your point that folks on the Right here are simply searching out information from their counterparts.  Terms like lowlifes, teat suckers, deadbeats, nanny state, handouts, Socialists, tax cheats, liars, etc., suggest to me an educational back and forth discussion is not the primary goal. 

Dewey

You don't want to have a discussion of the pros and cons.  You want to back someone into a corner wherein if they happen to say that SS isn't such a bad program, you'll come back and say then how can you not like the health care bill, and then you'll say they how can you not believe that everyone should be entitled to a house, and that everyone is entitled to a job, etc, etc.  That is the game you play.


We have given you a discussion of the pros and cons. But, no one has come out and plainly said either we should not have SS at all and it should end or it's a great thing and we should continue it forever. The reason you haven't gotten the answer you are looking for is because it's not that simple, as you well know, particularly with the current system already in place.
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swifty - I think we've each made our case and I'll close by correcting your mischaracterization of where I stand on these issues.  I'm searching for an avenue where people are required to invest today to cover for the days they can no longer work.  I want these same people to be forced to invest toward their elderly medical care as well as for any medical care required prior to old age.  These three issues don't involve giving anything to the general population but rather asks them to fork up now so we don't have to cover their costs later.  SS, Medicare, and Health Care act satisfy these three social issues in my opinion.  I don't know how you went form here to giving away houses but you can add such exaggeration to the list of problems we often confront here in this forum.  Have a good one.

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Swifty and various friends - In my mind you are full of doo doo.  Either you agree that a national health care concept is a good idea, or it isn't.  For example, I am torn between the idea of a national health care situation and the specifics of how it would be implemented.  I am for the concept but wary of its implementation. Too many crooks out there for me.  This needs careful oversight.      
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