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POV

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Did it ever occur to you that if every word you posted wasn't dripping with hatred and disdain for us we wouldn't respond in the way we do? Think about it.


Swifty & Co.  That is the exact logic of an abusive personality.    It's not my fault. You made me hit you.  Thus absolving the abuser of any responsibility. 

Yes, I drip but I don't hate.  If my offerings offend you. there are several options available.  Continuing to click in to my posts then feigning outrage should be on the bottom of your list.  Otherwise I have to surmise that you are responding purely for the sake of attention.

I'm pretty much done here. 

Have a productive day my friend.

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I must say that if someone can reference our Creator for things that happen, or don't happen, on earth, then, perhaps they should also know that Satan has been given alot of power in deciding the outcome of occurrences on earth, also.....He has been called the prince of the air of the earth by our Creator in the Bible because of the power he has been allotted.....Satan also has one-third of all the angels helping him here on earth....Satan, himself, is an angel and at one time was a very special angel in Heaven named Lucifer.........The earth is, to a large degree, his domain!  

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Alan Combs was on Fox last night.  He defended Hoffa Jr. by saying that his remarks were simply to spur the rally and were not to be taken literal.  Combs also said that no response is needed for this incident since everyone in America understood that these were just passing remarks.  Let's see, Army, fight, send them to hell, take them out???  How can Combs defend that??? 

As an aside, several Senators and Congressmen have asked the question of where the brief is for Thursday's speech.  Traditionally, a brief is presented days in advance for public broadcast messages so that the opposing party can prepare their response.  As of yesterday, no brief had been supplied.  I hope that the President Obama has a plan and that this is not just another rah rah speech to the nation that is really free air wave time for his campaigning. 

Lastly, POV, you have commented that people never respond to Dewey.  I do so and try to be respectful.  I don't have to win any argument and don't seek to change anyone's viewpoints.  I asked you your opinion about what Hoffa said.  I haven't missed the response have I?

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Coach - one typically does not prepare a brief for a campaign speech that has the added emphasis of happening before Congress.


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DaddyO, if you are correct, why then have I've heard several Senators and Congressmen complain in the last two days that they have not been supplied with the brief?  This reasoning is why several Republicans are suggesting that they will not attend his address.  At least that is what I have seen on that sinful news station Fox.

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Coach - I think DaddyO was being facetious.  Secondly, do you remember the musket and bayonet address to the "insurgents" many months ago?  Some of these folks, Congressman West included, get a little worked up at these rallies.

Finally, I think Mr. Colmes referenced a similar speech by Michelle Bachmann where she said...

   At the Tax Day Tea Party in 2010, Bachmann told supporters
 
“I am the No. 1 target for one more extremist group to defeat this November,” and added, “We need to have your help for candidates like me. We need you to take out some of these bad guys.”
 
I'll do a little research and see if either side around here condemned these similar rants at the time.  I doubt it.  Doesn't make it right but one has to wonder why some speeches receive more attention than others.
 
 
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Coach, my comments were in reference to Dewey's request that those who continually make accusations back them up with proof, links, quotes.  I've have asked for the same many times from several different offenders and to date......nothing.  Gotta start to think that these folks are desparately slinging the mud and that facts are few.......anyway that's what that's all about.

As far as Hoffa, I really haven't had to time to catch it all. Lots going on.  When I get a chance I'll give it a look. Going to try to watch the Republicans debate tonight.  Curious how Perry is going to spin his Tx. record.

Thanks for your concern. 
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POV, what who't happen from me -- Personal attacks UNLESS attacked myself.  I'm not interested in that.  I am interested in hearing what both sides have to say although I don't understand the liberal viewpoint on many subjects.  Still, I appreciate agreeing to disagree.  Wasn't that the premise of the debates as our country developed?  BHO is my President until he is not.  I don't support his position on most things.  However, our country voted.  I didn't support the tarp ... by President Bush.  IMO, we have much to "fix" in Washington D.C.   Others feel that we are on the right course.  My daughter's future rides on all of this.  That is why I care to argue my point.  Again, I don't have to be "right."  I know the difference between my beliefs and trying to get others to see life through my eyes and experience. 

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Dewey, I am unaware of Ms Bachman's speech but would never support the notion to "take someone out."  Her speech certainly did not come just a minute before the President spoke and, as far as I know, was not nationally televised.  If so, I sure missed it.  I don't think that a President who calls for "civility" can look the other way when this is done within his hearing and a minute before he takes the microphone.  JMHO!

I am certainly looking forward to President Obama's speech this Thursday.  We'll see.  On Fox right now, it is being pointed out that Republicans have asked for a copy of his job's plan and none have been given.  Therefore, the concern that this is going to be a speech with a lot of glitter and no substance. 
Dewey

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CoachB25 - Politicians are never apt to chastise important leaders of their base directly in front of these same folks.  Not going to happen.  You probably can't recall any Republicans calling out the two examples I posted.  Too much to lose and too little to gain.  Do you think an Obama reprimand would have won over any Conservative voters?  Probably not.  On top of that, his base already feels he fights too little.  Rightly or wrongly, that's just the way it is.  People tend to avoid the controversies of other people's actions regardless of their current image at the time.  I've watched Sean Hannity use "union loving" as a negative adjective and call Obama the crybaby President shortly before a Republican guest takes the chair.  Failing to call out folks on your side is an everyday occurrence.  It happens in this forum daily. 

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Dewey - For years I have noted the tremendous slant of such as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter, and have scoffed at the claim of "fair and balanced".  I shake my head at their obvious bias and consider them warped messengers of a particular cause and not messengers of what is good for my nation, just as Pat Robertson is in theology.  

Now I see the left, in defense, not only considering the methods of the right wing, but also using them in force.  Horrible !!!  I remember in the sixties and seventies when the situation was reversed and just as insanely emotional.  Yet, one must ask pragmatically if that is what the American public wants and absorbs as truth. Ultimately, we get what we ask for.   In any context, these are not liberals or conservatives, but rather emotional fanatic reactionaries or radicals.  We thus have an increasing gap in perception of "truth and means" and national and personal interest in our nation. 

 The media is not serving our  nation (but neither is Congress where PARTY and personal interests reign supreme over national interest) except to widen the gap in perspective among citizens and their representatives, to the detriment of our nation, its citizens, and ultimately the nation in which we live.  All are more capitalistic than democratic or representative.  Both extremes are guilty of a lack of consideration for "the other guy", and theoretically ALL citizens of the USA are to be represented in Congress but they are not.  

We  are headed down a slippery slope that can only become dangerous to many of our citizens and beneficial to a few as our perspectives widen and are bloated by media.  It might be a good idea for our supposed leaders to take a breath, review the situation, and consider what is best for all the citizens of the United States instead of only a few on either end of the current socio financial spectrum.        Frank

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JG, I think you underestimate the power of the Liberal Media, and it's relationship to the Democratic party. The Democrats will stop at nothing to retain power in 2012, and I mean nothing. Unfortunately the Media and Press will be their allies in doing whatever is called upon them to do. If you think the flash mob beatings, and looting of stores is bad now, wait until the press tells America that the Tea Party racist have stolen an election from the people.
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Dewey, there is a big difference in calling someone "union loving" and a call to incite violence.  I dont agree with anybody calling for violence no matter what side you're on.  I dont think any repubs of Trumpka's stature have ever called for violence if necessary and I do believe Trumpka is saying, if necessary use it!  I do believe a few more liberals around the world have created violence.  Look at Europe.  I dont expect you to agree with this as that is another thing libs are famous for, never giving in and having independent sayings within the party.  That part of how they always get the repubs politically and why we are going off this cliff to the left. 


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Jg the reason why there is not as much democracy in the world is because it is harder.  True freedom and capitalism take conviction and work.  It is easy just to sit back and give or take a hand out.  Your seek conviction always goes both ways.  I think alot of do gooder liberals just like to hand out other peoples money and feel good about it alot of times and then the politicians and others just make money off of the people that empower them.  If yo want that go to Europe.  America was created differently for that very reason and a majority of people dont want it to go back to being just like Europe.  That is why we finally said enough is enough.  

I think liberals could do a little more of what you are saying about "seek validity"!

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sbmom1812 - With all due respect, I gave you two examples of similar rants in post #126.

JG - Your analysis is spot on.  Unfortunately, those on TV and radio are merely "political shock jocks" doing it for the great rewards it brings.  Unfortunately, this "dig your feet in" partisan culture has spread into society to a great degree.  Not sure if there is any stopping it now.  What I find disingenuous, is how they are trying to lay this latest example of hyped rhetoric on the President's shoulders.

POV recently noted how one Conservative member personally accused me of performing a sexual act on our President.  As far as I remember, there was not one Conservative here offended by his remark.  Now a union boss uses the vague terms, "we have to take these sons of bi***es out" at a union pep rally and many of the Conservatives on this site are personally offended.  At the risk of playing the role of a victim, you'll have to excuse me if I don't totally buy the fact this reaches a level of personal offense.  Me thinks it's an opening to score some political points.   
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Susan - While your assumption is probably correct, remember that one era's liberals quite possibly are the next era's conservatives.  Change, by its very definition is "liberal".  Christ's teachings in a Roman held demography were liberal, not accepted well by authority, and the people who cried, "Give us Barabbas", and cost him his life.  His concepts as interpreted by mankind live on and in many cases are considered conservative.                                                                           

The American Revolution, by any definition, was a very "liberal" action.  The ideological movement from Royalty to Democracy was certainly very "liberal".  Liberal changes often come unfortunately with bloodshed.  In 1776, the Tory loyalist citizens of the colonies considered the "liberal" Revolutionaries "traitors" and the Hessians, and the French and Polish leaders who aided the colonial cause "mercenaries".  I believe I've heard Sean Hannity use that word "traitor" during the onset of the Iraq War for those who didn't support that War (like me).

 The American Civil War was a liberal insurrection whose purpose was to preserve a very conservative concept in States Rights and a conservative sub culture in "The South".  One of the characters in "Alice in Wonderland" said, "Words, why words mean what I want them to mean".  That is too often true of us, especially when we use them to support our particular causes.     

PS - I am sure that you are aware that many people think we are going off that cliff to the right, not the left.  It's not a one perspective situation.  Seek validity and understanding always.  Historically speaking, I have found that pragmatism works best.  At  least that's my take.        Frank

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JG I think you need to practice what you preach! It goes both ways and there is no way you can say this country has not gotten more liberal and socialist over the last 50 years.  People have had enough and are starting to say no more instead of letting it keep sliding.  That is what liberals dont like as they will lose money and power.  Some on the right will also lose if they dont change either. 


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 It goes both ways and there is no way you can say this country has not gotten more liberal and socialist over the last 50 years. 


Most Conservatives claim this is a center-right Country.
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dewey, you got me. I did not communicate that well.  I do believe the majority of the citizens in this country are center/right.  However, for the last 50 yrs at least our govt has gotten bigger and more socialist.  Alot of people have taken this country and their freedoms for granted.  They also said ok I can tolerate that.  So, politicians, big govt, etc... have been empowered.  People have seen more and more that it is going to far and the country is about to the point of no return,especially since Obama has excellerated the big govt leftist move to try to get more than 50% on the dole to empower them forever.  That is why people are waking up and saying we have given enuf and now it is time to go back the other way.
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sbmom1812 - Like JG said, many of us think we avoided that cliff and came back from that point of no return in 2008 when a Democrat took over the executive branch.  It's all perspective.

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Dewey somehow I just knew you would jump on that statement by Jg.  You can try all you want, but there is no way you can change the facts that our govt has grown horrifically over the last 50 yrs and the govt has strayed farther away from the constitution than ever before.  If you think Bush was falling of the right cliff you are either being political for your slant or it just shows how far left you are. I think even most liberals would admit as a whole the govt has gotten bigger and more progressive as you want to call it since the New Deal came about.  
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-6-2011/james-and-the-giant-speech

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LMSS - That was a funny segment as are most on the daily show.  I've always wanted to ask if any Conservatives here are regular viewers of this show?

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Dewey

As I said at the start, I can't speak for all on my side of the asile, but the fact that you can't take me at my word as to my motivations is exactly part of the problem.

In addition, when one side displays it's deep seeded beliefs on an issue and the opposing side counters with a disingenuous retort that on it's face isn't heart felt but only meant to defend one's political allies, the natural result is a belief even you don't believe in what you are arguing. If instead of a defense at all costs approach, you actually provided your real reaction to or beliefs on a matter I would bet that a more productive conversation would result. You need to understand that I believe that many conservatives on this forum find it very frustrating to converse with you because we don't believe that you actually believe in everything that you post. So, it appears that your being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative or to sometimes defending the indefensible.


I love history.  We all think we are pioneers but those like swifty fought the battles long before many did, such as this gem from 2011

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Pabar, that gem had you written all over it
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It's funny how those around here loved Fox News until Trump showed up......[smile]
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It's funny how those around here loved Fox News until Trump showed up......[smile]


They said they were fair and balanced.   Those were the days before people like dewy flocked to O'Reilly.  I think dewy is the only consistent O'Reilly fan under 70 YO.  To borrow a term from hilLIARry, they went off the reservation.  She gained some trangenders and lost some Native Americans with her careless talk

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Pabar, that gem had you written all over it


Thanks, but having read through that, Swifty is far more intelligent than I am.

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Sounded just like you and please don't underestimate yourself.  

swifty, slideby7 and PGP did indeed raise the IQ of this forum.  They were all vanquished by dewy in debate, really they tired of recycling the same arguments on a quarterly basis.

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It's amazing how consistent, and how far back, the "We don't want to hear the other perspective" actually goes.
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