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woody

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I am sorry JG, but I am not very confident in the Federal Government implementing programs, and having them be lean and goal oriented. Seems that a good concept always turns into a large bureaucracy, and spawns even more programs with more government employees and more recipients of even more Federal aid. 
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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
swifty

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Originally Posted by JoiseyGuy
Swifty and various friends - In my mind you are full of doo doo.  Either you agree that a national health care concept is a good idea, or it isn't.  For example, I am torn between the idea of a national health care situation and the specifics of how it would be implemented.  I am for the concept but wary of its implementation. Too many crooks out there for me.  This needs careful oversight.      

JG

This is rich.  The man who claims constant civility says that we are full of doo doo (read crap).  There's only one word for that; HYPOCRITE! 

And, to exactly what are you referring?  I have never come close to implying that I am in any way FOR the health care bill.  I am not!

slideby7

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Mr. Bolton, Would you be kind enough to list the friends you refer to.  What do you mean by" full of doo doo"?
YT

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How do you go about overseeing a system where the inmates run the asylum and make all the rules? IMO,start with term limits for Senate and Congress (1 - 4 year term per lifetime w/zero retirement benefit) and also break up the largest Conflict of Interest/Anti Trust situation in the United States: Lawyers who are Law Makers.
swifty

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Isn't that just so typical of JG? He takes a not so veiled shot at a group of posters, and then when he's called out on it, he runs away like a little bully on a playground.
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Dewey, I'm one of those that constantly and consistently mentions that I'm a Constitutionalists.  Why?  Because I believe it is the law of the land, always will be and if not then we are no longer in a free country.  Presently, I am reading 5 books which cover the time from of the founding of the Constitution.  Well, 4 and the Bible. 

POV, you mentioned to Dewey that no one has given examples of the left attacking the right.  I might mention multiple names like Chris Matthews, Obermann, Maddows, or politicians galore but like Weiner.  Certainly Nancy Pelosi has done her fair share of attacking the right. 

POV, do you condone Hoffa's statement today about the Tea Party?  I consider myself a Tea Party member.  I am against big government, the Health Care Bill, ...  I believe Hoffa's statement calls for extreme violence even to the point of death?  He stated that President Obama's "Army" should "take out" Tea Party members.  In my neck of the woods that only means one thing.  There is no other meaning or even close meaning.  I was stunned that President Obama didn't condemn that when he took the podium. 

I'm interested in your take on this.

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Dewey

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CoachB25 - I think we all believe strongly in the Constitution and share a love for this Country.  Don't really see a difference here.  My point was to suggest if one believes something is unconstitutional, despite what our Supreme Court may have ruled, they'll refuse to discuss the pros and cons of the questional program.  It was just a reply to swifty's suggestion that folks come in here to pick each other's brain, an opinion I found completely under-emphasizes most of what really takes place here.

As for POV's mention of examples, he was referring to my earlier question regarding attacks inside this forum.  As for Hoffa, I'll repeat that this over-the-top rhetoric is unnecessary and likely solidifies your opponents more than it energizes your supporters. 



   
swifty

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Dewey

Not only do you continue to question my motives even after I explicitly explained them, but you then go on and completely ignore your part in "what really goes on here". 

Also, you whitewashing of each instance of liberal incivility is part of the problem and causes a sense of frustration on my side of the aisle.  Hoffa's comments weren't "over-the-top", they were unacceptable and clearly instigate violence.  Your inability to say so, instead using "softer" words to describe his actions is just another example of you defending the indefensible.  You did the same with the Waters comments and the Carson comments. 
JoiseyGuy

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Swifty and Woody - You are funny people.  I wrote "doo doo" so I would not be as vulgar as some posters have been.  If you are offended by such a harmless use of words, you don't belong on this thread since you both have used much worse.  Also, if you think this makes me a hypocrite, you, sorry fella, are really out to lunch.  Now you are open to name call if you wish to reach so low.   Oh, and Swifty, I have never run from anyone or anything, even to a fault, in my lifetime, and you would not want to meet me head on in the field of battle.  Jus' sayin' since you brought it up.  No threat intended.  Play nice.  
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JoiseyGuy

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Swifty and Woody - You are funny people.  I wrote "doo doo" so I would not be as vulgar as some posters have been.  If you are offended by such a harmless use of words, you don't belong on this thread since you both have used much worse.  Also, if you think this makes me a hypocrite, you, sorry fella, are really out to lunch.  Now you are open to name call if you wish to reach so low.   Oh, and Swifty, I have never run from anyone or anything, even to a fault, in my lifetime, and you would not want to meet me head on in the field of battle. I am far from little and have never been a bully but have defended myself very well against some.   Jus' sayin' since you brought it up.  No threat intended.  Play nice.  
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"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
swifty

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JG

I'm only pointing out that if one of us used the same phrase directed at you, you would have call us out for using that kind of language.  

For the record, I will treat people as they treat me.  You're nice, I'm nice. You're sarcastic, argumentative and critical, I will be too.
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slideby 7 - By "doo doo" I am being light funny with childish words instead of using another word that would be more vulgar.  No nasty intended.  What friends exactly are you referring to?  If I make a reference to "friends" I will gladly tell you who they are by name on a PM if I feel that I can trust you with their reputations.  Fair enough?  I would expect the same in return from you.  Hope you understand.   
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"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
POV

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Thanks Dewey, yes I was most certainly referring to your requests of substantiation on the numerous accusations leveled by some on this board that I/left leaners have responded with personal attacks/character assassinations and/or ridicule.  Actually I have requested the very same from a number of offenders who have offered this up as their brand of "debate" in their responses to me.

To date.....nothing, nada, zilch. What does that tell you?

Perhaps that they've got a big bag of nothing.....except more personal attacks/character assassination and ridicule. 

Still waiting.......

Just makes you laugh out loud.....doesn't it?

woody

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JG I figured out the edit post thing. When trying to edit your post, first click the number of your post to isolate it (view single post) you can then use the edit function like we always used to. New fangled computer programmers. BTW, we need some prayers down here in Texas, fires are starting to pop up everywhere, they are evacuating an area northwest of Houston that they cannot contain. The fire scanner is going crazy. Pretty sad.
PS, I was not worried about you calling me or anyone else doo doo or poo poo, heck that is a term of endearment around my house.

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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
POV

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Positive thoughts to the folks of Tx. but as far as prayers of intervention.......doesn't your governor handle that?

woody

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Thanks for the satirical response POV. I would have expected nothing else from you, now kindly pull the rock back over your head and STFU.
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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
JoiseyGuy

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Swifty - That's fair minded.  Actually, if you had used that phrase to me I would have laughed my  rear end off.   Woody says it's a term of endearment in his home, as it is in mine.      
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"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
JoiseyGuy

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Woody - My very dear friend who lives in Texas e-mails about the dryness.  That is awful in an agricultural state.  Also, he lives near the Gulf, so they are prone to damage from storms when they whip off the Gulf.  My only experience is driving through Texas to and from Albuquerque, New Mexico when we lived there.  It just seemed like forever flat land with few houses except  for Dallas-Fort Worth which was too much traffic. In my house we use the childish "doo doo" instead of being vulgar.  As a matter of fact, I found a pile of "doo doo" at the door this morning from our dog "Joy"(Yorkshire Terrier) and that is really exceptional.  She hid under my desk.  Guess she just couldn't hold it, and she is old, like the rest of us.  

By the way, my computer just spit out my link to Ultimate, so I have to type in Ultimate each time I enter our fun website.  Thanks for telling me about the edit.  I've had to get out of the thread and then reenter to delete however many identical posts the great machine in the sky had printed.   Again, thanks,   Frank   

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"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
swifty

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JG and Dewey

While I know neither of you will publicly admit it, I'd like you to take a look at all of POV's posts.  There isn't a single one that doesn't have a bard attached or isn't surrounded by an air of hatred towards those of us on "right".  I really plead with you to take an unbiased look, and whether you decide to publicly respond or not is not the point, but, maybe you'll get a sense of what we are subjected to when he posts.  Actually, the same goes for Masare.
POV

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woody, you deleted your post that I responded to.  I'll be a man and let mine remain.  I stand behind what I write.

 Remember when Perry called for prayers of rain back in April to help douse the wildfires.....well it didn't work.  Seems God was working overtime for Mr. Bachmann helping to pray that gay away.....pretty big job as you can well imagine.  Maybe he can find some time for this round.

Texas governor calls for prayers for rain amid fires | Reuters


Seriously, all good thoughts to the folks of Tx.  You've been through the worst summer in 30 years. 
slideby7

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JoiseyGuy
slideby 7 - By "doo doo" I am being light funny with childish words instead of using another word that would be more vulgar.  No nasty intended.  What friends exactly are you referring to?  If I make a reference to "friends" I will gladly tell you who they are by name on a PM if I feel that I can trust you with their reputations.  Fair enough?  I would expect the same in return from you.  Hope you understand.   


Mr. Bolton, The friends I am referring to Are those you referred to in this post: Originally Posted by JoiseyGuy
"Swifty and various friends - In my mind you are full of doo doo.  Either you agree that a national health care concept is a good idea, or it isn't.  For example, I am torn between the idea of a national health care situation and the specifics of how it would be implemented.  I am for the concept but wary of its implementation. Too many crooks out there for me.  This needs careful oversight".  

I feel compelled to make the point that on many occasions you have told others how they might have expressed themselves in a more acceptable manner.  IMHO saying doo doo is no different than sh*t or BS and a number of other adjectives.  How about I disagree with you or you are being disingenuous.  I believe that in calling you a hypocrite, that is the point swifty was making.  
POV

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Swifty, you're drowning me me  with all this victim juice.  You seriously have the audacity to post your plea right after woody posts this?

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Thanks for the satirical response POV. I would have expected nothing else from you, now kindly pull the rock back over your head and STFU.



Seriously?

 

.....btw still waiting on those examples of me using the term teabaggers, or personally attacking you right leaners (on this board)  tick tock



woody

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Actually, within a day or so of the prayer meeting in Houston, we had a freak storm pop up and dropped 1/2 an inch on the Houston area. What post did I delete? #106 The one where I asked you kindly to STFU?
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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
JackDandy

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 (POV), said "Remember when Perry called for prayers of rain back in April to help douse the wildfires.....well it didn't work.  Seems God was working overtime for Mr. Bachmann helping to pray that gay away.....pretty big job as you can well imagine.  Maybe he can find some time for this round."

So it is ok to insult those of us who believe in Christ Jesus and mock the God that we worship yet if we say dingleberry, dewd, or (POV), the liberals on here come unhinged.
Joisey, can you elaborate on that?

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swifty

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POV

You're just digging yourself into a deeper hole. Keep it up.
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Swifty, there he goes again.....and you chide me?  But watch out for that masare, now there's a nasty one. 

 

Good night all.
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 IMHO saying doo doo is no different than sh*t or BS

slideby7-

I'm neither to be compared to doo doo nor $hit. Next thing I know, you'll be saying I'm no different than a can of Shinola.

Signed,

BS

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swifty

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Swifty, there he goes again.....and you chide me?  But watch out for that masare, now there's a nasty one. 

 

Good night all.


POV

Did it ever occur to you that if every word you posted wasn't dripping with hatred and disdain for us we wouldn't respond in the way we do? Think about it.
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Mr. Smith, I couldn't tell you because I don't know either from shinola
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how myopic can both sides of the fence be. If I wanted to I could link at least 10 personal attacks from each side. Know you all read them. Only problem is somebody would pull up about the 30 personal attacks I was involved in over the years ,,,,,,,and say that thing the 2nd grade teacher told us...."when you point your finger....3 more point back at you"
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