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POV

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I ran across this the other day.  Nothing that I didn't already know, but the concise list brought things into focus.   

Kinda reflective that all of these techniques can be found in just one Obama/Democrat bashing thread here on UCS. 


Fourteen Propaganda Techniques Fox "News" Uses to Brainwash Americans | Trutho
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Nothing that you didn't already know since it has been the playbook for the liberal media in America.
The only statement that doesn't apply to the left leaning media is this one:
the world's largest, most profitable and most popular news channel

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(POV) you just made me laugh. You are talking out of your O again.
That list was straight out of the liberal play book. Isn't it funny how the libs always come out and accuse republicans of  the very thing that the libs are doing? Kinda reminds me of ole Billy Boy Clinton saying "We have to put an end to the politics of personal destruction" Meanwhile he has his team of goons out digging up every scrap of dirt they can on anyone who might oppose him. What do you think he was doing with those 917 FBI files? By the way, didn't G Gordan Liddy go to prison for having just 1?


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Thanks POV.  The article would be more meaningful if it showed examples like The Daily Show and Media Matters do.

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Both Parties used "Dirty Tricks" - it has become the political way in our corrupted national politics and our increasingly political media.  Karl Rove was simply better at it than the Democrats and everyone else.  "Demonizing" has become just another political word.  Many of our best and finest won't even run given the price that has to be paid through "dirty tricks" on a personal and family basis.  At least Palin and daughter were smart enough to get rich through it all. Given "The Washington Way" and a corrupted political election and governmental mess dominated by economics, and what has our nation become philosophically???  Sad to watch what was once the greatest nation on earth destroy itself politically and economically.  Maybe it's time for a far left or far right politico or theological right wing politician to step in and ruin the entire concept of our nation completely??  Makes one glad he's old.      

POV - Thanks for the 14 point explanation.  Actually, I have noted all 14 on Fox, but now I notice that left leaning channels have taken FOX's lead and are doing many of the same methods because it works for FOX.  Both right and left leaning political biases on television are repugnant to me.  FOX is the worst, but left leaning channels are trying to catch up.  It is "signs of our times".  Propaganda works very well on ignorant people or those who pursue only a truth that agrees with their original perspective.  Remember 1930s Germany??  

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POV, you are such an incessant sniping hypocrite. Pathetic that you cannot even look at MSNBC as a legitimate Liberal campaign arm of the Obama administration. Pull the rock back over your head, and we will see you in the near future.
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Once again, a left-leaning clown decides to waste our time with a third-tier website that only covers the view of the Left.

No wonder they would have it in for Fox News. 

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I think our right leaning friends on this board have more than amply given us examples of those propaganda techniques in just this short thread.  What did I tell you....thanks guys.



Some fun with history......

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I will also never fall for any attempt by anyone on the other side to try to silence my beliefs by shaming me with some ridiculous label (bigot, racist, homophobe, etc.)  Whenever those words get used, I take it that the opposition has nothing to counter with other than an Alinsky tactic.


.....yet he must believe that " a left-leaning clown decides to waste our time with a third-tier website that only covers the view of the Left."  doesn't fit into the same catagory.....hmmm.  (that would be #3 Flipping and #2 Character Assassination  Fourteen Propaganda Techniques Fox "News" Uses to Brainwash Americans | Trutho)


To coin a phrase...... I take it that the opposition has nothing to counter with other than an Alinsky tactic. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.  (this is an Alinsky tact)

Ya just gotta love this guy......



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I for one would never call you a POS. I enjoy the debate too much to personally attack a fellow misc. board poster. I do enjoy a lively debate based on facts and personal beliefs. At times, some may take this debate as a personal affront to their character, I see it as an opportunity to examine my own beliefs and validate or disprove the same.


How's that for hypocrisy.......


And then there's this oft used self revelation......
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Attack strongly whatever you fear the most



Hard to take some of you right leaners seriously.......but amusing?  You'll always have amusing.

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So what are you saying POV? I didn't call you a POS, but you mindlessly post links that are trivial, and you continue to snipe without adding anything of value to any debate. I certainly don't fear you as a political debate opponent, you have yet to learn to stand on two feet, preferring instead to hide under the rock.
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.....and my mom never understood why this show attracted so many viewers

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/359475/were-firemen


pissing contest might appear childish......well they are....but funny as well.

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I have repeatedly asked when obscure websites are used as alleged 'fact' that they be sourced.

Why didn't you tell us about truth-out.org?  Hmmm?  Did you tell us when it was founded and why it was founded? 

They are ultra left-wing hacks.  I can see why you wouldn't want the readers to know.

Truthout.org’s associate editor, William Rivers Pitt, whose Web site seems to post only articles and editorials with a Far Left anti-Semitic and pro-Palestinian bent, has authored such leftist tomes as Our Flag, Too: The Paradox of Patriotism and War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn’t Want You To Know.  The latter was written from an interview with Scott Ritter, a former Clinton Administration weapons inspector.

In the book, Pitt and Ritter try to make the case that the U.S. and the rest of the world would have been better off if Saddam Hussein were still in power. These two Fifth columnists theorize that Saddam never actually posed a real threat to our national security at all – especially since he supposedly destroyed all of his WMDs. (This is yet another trait of the Far Left: trusting a lying, murderous despot more than our president.)


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.....and my mom never understood why this show attracted so many viewers

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/359475/were-firemen


pissing contest might appear childish......well they are....but funny as well.

 A favorite show of mine while falling asleep, the wife says I am childish, and turn down the volume, quit laughing like an idiot. What am I to say? I'm guilty, guilty as charged.

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Daddy, I'm not sure what you're talking about.  I think I put a link in my initial post and then again in post 10 ????  But anyway....actually read the link and you will find that your latest post was a fine example of #5 Scapegoating, #14 Diversion and #8 Confusion   Fourteen Propaganda Techniques Fox "News" Uses to Brainwash Americans | Trutho  

Continue on to the first paragraph after the list.....

 
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Something about their affiliation with the network makes them feel privileged and this affinity is likely what drives the viewers to defend the network so vehemently 


Yeah, no kidding!


But whatever.....couldn't help but notice you chose not to address why your prior statement is in direct opposition to your most recent personal attack. Do you have any personal standards or do you cultivate those on a post by post basis?


Just asking.......
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When cell phones and internet were becoming common in the early 90s we had clinton elected as president. Rush Limbaugh was all over him and hillary like gravy on bisquits. Around 1996 was the golden age for political pinheads. We had the OJ trial which saw the rebirth of court tv and lawyers all over tv giving opinions like they are covering a sporting event. We also had Bill O'reilly getting the o'reilly factor then, rush was on tv and radio, hannity and colmes started, glen beck was rolling til he was fired in 1998 for mocking a chinses accent--then he got his tv show in 2000 , michelle malkin was writing for a anti-government libertarian think tank in washington in 1996 after she left los angels daily, and in 1999 ann coulter tried to run as a libertarian to help the democrat get elected and punk chris shays (republican) because he did not vote to impeach clinton....epic fail.

New media and democrat in the white wouse. Good times to get ratings by slamming the current president if you are not liberal or democrat. But don't get it wrong- the media was up clinton's butt too when the monica stuff came out and the "I didn't inhale". So were the political pinheads who were pushing their shows (mostly on fox). When Bush became president and his cocaine use was mentioned at least 4 of the above mentioned stated "Bush's past is unimportant"...yet they were on their shows day after day about clinton's past smoking pot. Their ratings dropped except for hannity and colmes since you had liberal and conservative views equally each night. So one slams bush and one defends bush. The others were left to defend. Hard to stoke fires when you are defending. And no tea party express even with debt ceiling high and government spending out of control. Not while Bush was president for 8 years.

So during clinton our new media started to kick in and conservative talk shows, tc shows, and fox news were all over clinton like they were dogs and clinton was wearing milk-bone underwear. With Bush the media had a target. 9/11, katrina, wars, et. all gave them more reasons to ride bush. He wasn't as bad as the media portrayed him....it just deemed worse because we now had myspace, forums and chatrooms and even more tv shows joined the scene like the joke shows "colbert report and the daily show" as well as other shows. President is conservative so liberals can now run amock on the attack.

Media is liberal by default. Media presents the public with news and opinions that will sell to it's target audience. Leaders have censored the media (casesar, hitler, etc) yet groups found ways to get their opiniions and messages out (writing on walls in the street at night, underground newspapers. etc).
No media is unbiased. They all lean. They all get paid and all have advertisers. This means they have target audiences. News is news so you can read about a hurricane, sports score, celebrity birth or death, royal wedding, or nationa levent anywhere. Media differences is how they analyze and present the same news. Like a michigan /ohio state football game ends 21-20 but each media will describe the game, analyze it, and break it down differently slanted towards their own school and bias. They cater to their audience. Rush isn't telling people news--he is giving his audience a conservative slant on politcal news items. He is selling advertising and entertaining his audience.

We and oxygen aren't slamming women and is for women...LOGO is for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered and isn't discussing gay marriage nor gays in military from unbiased view, BET isn't  slamming black polititians nomatter their political faction (unless that polititian says something negative about blacks that is controversial), telemundo and the other mexican tv in america aren't unbiased when it comes to illegal immigrants and checking papers in arizona for those who look illegal. Those are all media as well as wasdhington post, people magazine, cbs, fox, la times, etc.
All media is biased and we can thank the almighty dollar for it.




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And funny how someone can bash the media on one hand and stroke it with the other. Sarah Palin. From obscurity to superstar without doing anything but looking good and stating the obvious. The media made her. She didn't complain about the media while she rode them to popularity but as soon as she debated or spoke on issues without notes from her handlers she blamed the media as unfair. The media giveth and the media taketh away when you bungle. And Bristol is an example of media stardom from nothing. What other high school senior teenager gets pregnant out of wedlock and is asked to be the spokesperson for teen pregnancy, invited to appear with celebrities on dancing with the stars, and now given a reality show with other celebs. If she didn't get pregnant as a teen with a media marvel mom who was ultraconservative, she would be back in alaska working the family business with todd.

Better some of these people say "I criticize the media when it is not supporting me, not keeping me relevant, not making me millions, or it disagrees with me".

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fhoenix - Thank you for the last two posts.  Your posts generally ring with relatively objective observations and a writing tone that is agreeable.  You appear to possess a quality too little on display in contemporary society - common sense.  
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The media was up Clinton's butt with the Monica thing?  Really?  The media was led kicking and screaming into it by ... the National Enquirer!

Talk radio had been on it for a substantial length of time before the media reluctantly started to cover it.  Even then, the media horde was chanting the 'sex is no big thing' mantra, while the thrust (no pun intended) of the impeachment was lying under oath. 

And to say that Sarah Palin was 'made' by the media is kinda like saying Lincoln was 'made' by John Wilkes Booth. 

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Daddy o - That's all I heard for about a year on the media, especially FOX. I remember they were really into cigars.  Perhaps there was something to that huge conspiracy of Republicans against Bill, and Bill gave them plenty to exploit and demonize at the end of his tenure.  Dumb dumb dumb dumb - stupid (and that's just what Hillary said, among other things).   I thought that Monica Lewinsky was an international entertainment celebrity until I found out who she was.  Republican conservative media jumped on ol Bill like stink on an outhouse (got that from Palin).  Not really, just joshin. 

Sarah Palin was "made" by John McClain when he brought her out  of the cold wilderness (I lived there for 2 years) and offered her up, you betcha, as VP material.  From there this very shrewd woman has used her celebrity, good looks, and "down home" speech, if that works fer ya,  to make a bundle of money, and I'm sure that she (or her agent)  is behind her daughter's money making celebrity as well.  Each now has a book out.  Sarah understands the system and how to work it to make a buck.  Good for her. She is giggling all the way to the bank fer sure.    

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JG

Why do you find it necessary of late to double post your comments after making an edit?

Reading them once is enough for me!
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In JG's defense, something has been going on with the edit function.
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swifty - I do that just to annoy you because I know how little things bother you more than most people.  
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Actually, Swifty and others, I have no idea why the big machine in the sky posts several times when I edit just once.  As soon as I post, though, and find two or three there, out of the kindness of my heart, I delete all but one so that SWIFTY doesn't get upset.    
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Pov it's a shame you can't post an opinion without being slammed immediately by the paranoid opposition not for the post but for you personally!
fhoenix, you make excellent points in your post and not one personal insult to the person who originated the post...wow there's a fresh idea!
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Thanks for the support masare, but I would be surprised if it doesn't prompt more insults, name calling and ridicule as the right leaners* get insecure with that as well.  It's unfortunate and more than often shuts down productive conversation, debate or comment......but perhaps that's the point. 

I encourage you and others to not be deterred when the sewer level rises.  Many entries aren't deserving of response, but don't be silenced. 




*some right leaners on this forum
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*some right leaners on this forum

See, that wasn't too hard.
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Really.

This is how it goes.

1)  Post an article from a third-rate Leftist hack website demonizing the opposition (like we've never seen THAT before).

2)  Get called on it.

3)  Cry like a little girl.

Kinda reminds me of the days when someone finally stood up to the playground bully and he went running back to the teacher.

Don't really care what you believe and I don't expect you to change.  I'm fine with that.  Just leave the stupid sh!t out.  OK?



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.....and still more personal attacks.

  Bringing the propaganda techniques used by the Mother Ship to light has really pushed your button, Daddy.  I noticed that you have yet to comment on those tactics instead utilizing them in an attempt divert attention away from by launching personal attacks......which by the way is just a super way to build credibility.

First rule of Fox club......don't criticize Fox club.




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First rule of Obama Club---Don't criticize Obama Club. Just ask Dewey!


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.....and still more personal attacks. 


Know what?  You're right.

I apologize to all little girls and bullies everywhere.

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First rule of Obama Club---Don't criticize Obama Club. Just ask Dewey!


softballfanatic - I suggest if you become a Romney supporter, you shouldn't come on here and criticize him.  Kind of defeats your purpose.
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