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mikec

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You have misinterpreted why I was asking.  I think it's wrong for you to say that we don't care about VA either.

I was asking because I think real work has to be done there, because it is pathetic how it operates.  I wonder if Palin seeks the limelight too much to be effective at what is going to require some hard bureaucratic work.

She may be what it needs, I don't know.  I didn't plan to shoot down anything, and I didn't want to be entertained by your answers.

Regardless, my thought was that this position is too important to give it to someone because they were an early endorser of trump.  It's not a reward for someone going to a few rallies. 

That was it.
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I wasn't singling you out mike, I was speaking in general to your question to me.  First thing pops in Durden's head is the "See Alaska from my house" comment, old news that isn't funny anymore.
 The answer to your question of me is "Yes".  Do you remember your question?

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I wasn't singling you out mike, I was speaking in general to your question to me.  First thing pops in Durden's head is the "See Alaska from my house" comment, old news that isn't funny anymore.
 The answer to your question of me is "Yes".  Do you remember your question?


Pretty shortsighted on your part. It wasn't a shot at the VA - was a shot at Palin. I don't find her to be smart or capable.

Saying any of us don't care about the VA isn't really fair when you don't know most of our connections to it.
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I think TDN was making a joke.

My question was if she can do it.  Duly noted.  Maybe she can - I think she's become an attention hound, but she was once an administrator in an obscure place.  If she can get back to that place mentally, maybe she can do something.

I think the VA needs a leader who questions everything about how everything is done.  Good things stay, inefficient, or inept things, go.

The problem with anything at the federal level is the magnitude of the dollars become numbing.

In my world, we say that a $100,000 local project becomes a $500,000 state project, which becomes a $5,000,000 federal project.  The dollars for the same effort multiply as you go up the bureaucracy ladder.  The extra zeroes become insignificant - "just the way it is".  Contracts get bloated as suppliers know that the staff on the government side are numb to the zeroes.

Look at the Obamacare website.  Almost a billion dollars to develop.  No website in the history of the world has cost that much money.  The contractor on that has a history of developing overpriced software products for the feds, and it infuriates me.  I have actually competed with them before, but my proposal was judged to be not as responsive, because it was 1/4th the cost.  The evaluators figured we must not know what we're doing, because we can do it a fraction of the price.  The fact is, they are getting ripped off but they're blind to it.

That's one example, and I'm sure it's even worse in the VA, which is how you get $1,000 aspirins as UWA (I think) said.

If I were at the VA, I would treat it like a local operation, meaning money is scarce, and every dollar must be accounted for and wisely spent.  I would immediately assume that money is bleeding into admin staff, bad contracts with suppliers, etc, as opposed to patient services where it should be, unless it could be proven otherwise.  With that mindset, I would question everything.  People would justify to me why they and their staffs are a better deal for taxpayers than privatization or some other staff.

Believe it or not, this is what Jeb did as Governor.  State employees had to develop benefit/cost analysis of why it was a better deal to retain them and their departments, as opposed to outsourcing, combination, or just elimination.  Many positions were streamlined or eliminated. 

I think this attitude would be beneficial in all areas of the government, but people die as a result of the waste and inefficiency at the VA, so it's even more important.

Maybe Palin can do that, I don't know.
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KIR - I have no military experience so I speak as someone who can't ever understand that world.  Having said that, how we treat our military, both past and present is in the top 3 for me in terms of priority.   Reagan was successful because he believed in Teddy Roosevelt's motto of carrying a big stick.  That is the source of our influence and contributes meaningfully, if indirectly, to our collective prosperity.

How we care for our veterans has been shameful.  I mostly like Palin but I agree with Mike that whoever ends up running the VA needs to adopt a mindset that nothing is off the table in terms of how the problems get addressed.  That might end up saving money or it might end up costing more money.  Whatever it is, the goal needs to be elite service for our service members at all VA hospitals.  They should be treated better than the general public because they sacrificed and served for the rest of us.
keepinitreal

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why so sensitive?  I didn't say you don't care about the VA, I said it's not in your top 20.  You don't really give a rat's ass who runs it is what I said.  Never heard any of you get riled up about the VA, unless the media uncovers some malfeasance somewhere.  As the VA goes, the nation's medical care will go.  Look at the example

nice post pabar

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why so sensitive?


You were a tad oversensitive about a joke I made about Sarah Palin.  It had nothing to do with the VA.

Troll on
uwApoligist

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I do not know if you guys have been to the VA lately.  Yeah, it has a horrible rap.  

My father is a ultra tight man.  He will spend $5 in gas to save $6.  So he likes to go to the VA, and since he is retired, the tireless waits gave him something to do with his time.  I would call him on the phone and he would b1tch up a storm about how awful his last few days messing with the VA were.  

Then about 2 years ago.  All the griping stopped.  I asked, he said the VA has gotten pretty good.  We were in Florida for this past spring, and he come down with a very serious lung issue.  I wanted to take him to hospital.  He wanted to try a 'nice new va clinic'.  So we went to the clinic.  It was actually very nice.  They did got him right him hooked him, checked several things and decided he needed to go to a real hospital.  

At the hospital, they said everything was covered.  He did not even have to sign a piece of paper.  Just gave him his VA card, and they took care of everything.  

Not saying it is that great everywhere.  They seem to have a new policy in place, where if they do not feel they can get you the care, they just forward you to the nearest provider and put on the VA insurance system. 


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You were a tad oversensitive about a joke I made about Sarah Palin.  It had nothing to do with the VA.

Troll on


Looks like the bloom has fallen off of durden's rose.

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Nah - just someone not able to take a joke about the conservative queen Sarah Palin.

Would be a mistake to bring her on in any capacity IMO, but then again, I am not the President and he can do whatever he wants
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nevertrump.  Let's get this straight.  You like Romney, but no longer like Palin?
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Follow along if that is possible for you.

IMO

Palin = not intelligent - never liked her, one of the reasons I did not vote for John McCain.  If it makes you feel better, you can call me nevermccain or neverpalin.  Seems to be your thing.

Romney = intelligent business man - supported him for President.
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Not oversensitive at all, the thread is about Trump's team and people are making SNL jokes.  That's why bluedog chums you phuckers so much


So we are now "above" making jokes?  I must have missed that memo, you didn't seem to mind when people were joking about his appointees being adulterers.

Lighten up Francis.
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So we are now "above" making jokes?  I must have missed that memo, you didn't seem to mind when people were joking about his appointees being adulterers.

Lighten up Francis.


I voted for him but I won't be a dewy and defend his every selection or his every decision. I didn't know the adulterer in question or I might have taken offense.

 I will be critical when I need be but it's like the Giants beating the Puktriats in those SBs.  I can't hate the Giants any longer and I can't hate Donald for beating the bloody pantsuit, I'll give him plenty of rope to hang himself

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Follow along if that is possible for you.

IMO

Palin = not intelligent - never liked her, one of the reasons I did not vote for John McCain.  If it makes you feel better, you can call me nevermccain or neverpalin.  Seems to be your thing.

Romney = intelligent business man - supported him for President.

ah, i see now.  I thought it was 
Romney = Hopeless loser of horribly ran campaign.  

That move he made at the end of his campaign where he just froze while low end Obama pummeled him was classic.

Then to watch that dufus get it so wrong a second time.  I just don't think he has a correct thought in his head. 

I thought the word was that nevertrump was abandoning Romney.  All the sucking up he is doing to Trump was too unsavory.  That it left a bad taste in your mouth.

Yeah on the nevermccain thing.  I appreciate all he had done for the country as a Vet, that appreciation will never go away.  But he seemed so soft as a politician.  I have McCain and Romney in the same league there.

I have not really thought about Palin all that much.  She seemed like a good Governor for Alaska.  After the VP thing just did not hear much about her.
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I follow Palin, her daughter and her son-in-law on Instagram and on Twitter.  Her son-in-law is Dakota Meyer and I respect the family overall.  I think when she gives the libtards such a hard on she is doing something right.  If she wants the job, I hope she gets it.  I want someone to keep the fire boiling under the incompetent in the VA

Who will head the IRS?  Ted Cruz would be a good one to run it, to assure it's demise and eventual shut down.



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Never said he ran a good campaign - just that I supported him.

I know you have a hard time getting past his religion. He is doing now what republicans should do, support the President.

Edit: not voting for trump doesn't make you nevertrump - I definitely wanted him to win once he won the primary. You are heading into bluedog territory.
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I do not know if you guys have been to the VA lately.  Yeah, it has a horrible rap.
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Not saying it is that great everywhere.  They seem to have a new policy in place, where if they do not feel they can get you the care, they just forward you to the nearest provider and put on the VA insurance system. 

Thanks for the good report. Based on that and Wiki, seems like the current head, McDonald, did make progress. The only bad things I've seen are he put his foot in his mouth a few times.

The VA, Pentagon and State Dept are huge bureaucracies and the lifers view political appointees as temporary nuisances (e.g. "summer help"). Newcomers must have a very strong will to resist their corrupting rationales and persevere over them.
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Trump has reportedly selected Mad Dog for SecDef. Mattis needs a waiver from Congress since he hasn't been retired from the military for 7 years and Trump has been waiting on assurances he will get it.
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Dems will criticize everyone Trump nominates. I expect they have a cheat sheet for it:

- Racist, sexist, etc.
- Washington insider
- Wall St. insider
- No experience
- Not diverse
- GOP hardliner
- Dem traitor

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Thanks for the good report. Based on that and Wiki, seems like the current head, McDonald, did make progress. The only bad things I've seen are he put his foot in his mouth a few times.

The VA, Pentagon and State Dept are huge bureaucracies and the lifers view political appointees as temporary nuisances (e.g. "summer help"). Newcomers must have a very strong will to resist their corrupting rationales and persevere over them.


During the VA issues, before the McDonald appointment, CoachB25 would give us detailed and frequent VA visit reports with his Dad.  Coach has been mad at me since the election but I wish he'd come back

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During the VA issues, before the McDonald appointment, CoachB25 would give us detailed and frequent VA visit reports with his Dad.  Coach has been mad at me since the election but I wish he'd come back

Yeah, I'd like to hear from him too. I just noticed his account has been deleted. That's a loss for us.
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Trump has reportedly selected Mad Dog for SecDef. Mattis needs a waiver from Congress since he hasn't been retired from the military for 7 years and Trump has been waiting on assurances he will get it.


Mattis is also known as the Warrior Monk. Very cerebral, he altered Trump's outlook on torture in one meeting.

Iran and Hezbollah are terrified by this guy.

His code name in the field is "Chaos."

Great pick at Defense, I hope they can waiver him through.

Finally, All this "leading from behind" crap that has created so much misery and uncertainty around the world is coming to an end.

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Mattis is also known as the Warrior Monk. Very cerebral, he altered Trump's outlook on torture in one meeting. Iran and Hezbollah are terrified by this guy. His code name in the field is "Chaos." Great pick at Defense, I hope they can waiver him through. Finally, All this "leading from behind" crap that has created so much misery and uncertainty around the world is coming to an end.


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Great selection
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Put a CEO, or a General in charge of the VA. Really, we don't need a mouthy politician, we need an administrator.
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There is just no doubt all of the middle east crazies must be shaking in their boots.  It will be a major case of whiplash going from Ash.. whatever his name is.  With Maddog in place (assuming he gets the waiver), Trump has to be on to one of the most successful early paths. 
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Don't forget the recount. Maybe old Hil will set up her own salty cabinet
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Don't forget the recount. Maybe old Hil will set up her own salty cabinet

Yes, reminded on the recount.
I am also tracking Dewey's young boy journalist investigation as well.  Anxiously awaiting the outcome of that as well.  

Funny thing is that Dewey's young boy journalist investigation is probably the more 'credible' of the two efforts. 
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Speaking of recount.  Hillary netted one full vote in the entire first day of recounting in Wisconsin. 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/02/first-day-of-wisconsin-recount-nets-hillary-one-vote/

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