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He actually thought there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.  That we somehow missed them.


So, he must believe Saddam went to his dishonorable death, had WMD's, and didn't use 'em..........

There's people here who believe it.........Some even believe the WMD's went to Syria and Assad is letting his country get torn-up and hasn't used 'em........

American people can be gullible......After all, a bunch fought against Trump winning.........
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Looks like Durden believes the Martians took those WMD's...........
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Did you find those WMD, and I missed it?

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I just have never been a fan.  He seems dull.  I just hear this wonk wonk wonk noise when he is talking.  

He actually thought there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.  That we somehow missed them.  I was for the Iraq war at the time, but cringed immediately when Bush started floating the weapons of mass destruction story, and all the Neocons jumped on board.  So dumb.  I said at the time the better f--kin well be weapons of mass destruction and they had better find them or he has just de-legitimatized the whole effort.  

That whole thing was a knee jerk to dems defending the war effort, and blaming it all on oil.   Of course it was about oil.  A little about terrorism getting exported to the US.  But way more about oil.  The middle east is a sh1tpile full of sand without oil.  Even the terrorism thing only really happens because of the oil riches provides them enough money they can get flights and plans to attack us.   Even now that US has enough energy independence that we could tell the middle east to f-off, it would still be devastating to the overall oil market.   

Bolton to me is about as close to the rights version of John Kerry as you can get.  Better on the politics side than Kerry, but overall low energy, go with the political flow of his party BS, that somehow often ends up in our foreign affairs positions. 


As did the U.N., which passed 19 resolutions demanding that Iraq declare its WMDs.  The attack on Iraq was carried out because Iraq ignored those demands for years.  We're better off for having gotten rid of Saddam.  The post-military response was handled poorly.

As for Afghanistan, read the attached article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-horrifying-look-into-the-mind-of-911s-mastermind-in-his-own-words/2016/11/28/bf5827a8-b575-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html

Here is an excerpt that is particularly important for liberals like Dewey and Bluedog to read:

But perhaps the most riveting part of the book is what KSM told Mitchell about what inspired al-Qaeda to attack the United States — and the U.S. response he expected. Today, some on both the left and the right argue that al-Qaeda wanted to draw us into a quagmire in Afghanistan — and now the Islamic State wants to do the same in Iraq and Syria. KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.

“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”

But KSM said something else that was prophetic. In the end, he told Mitchell, “We will win because Americans don’t realize . . . we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.”

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I was for the Iraq war at the time, but cringed immediately when Bush started floating the weapons of mass destruction story, and all the Neocons jumped on board. 

Some say the Neocons were in Bush 43's ear from the beginning of his admin to break up Iraq for Israel's security. I think Sadam's threats on Bush 41's life played a role too. The bad WMD intel gave them the justification they needed.

Hopefully we learned our lesson about the fallibility of intel and never go to war again on bad intel.
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Trump is nominating his campaign finance chair, Steve Mnuchin, for Treasury.

Before that announcement, I liked what John Allison had to say about community banking with Cavuto - http://video.foxnews.com/v/5228616576001/?#sp=show-clips. He also advocated someone from commercial banking rather than investment banking because they're more concerned about Main Street than Wall Street.
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Carrier announcement Thursday. Time for the nevertrumpers to break it down and explain why it is nothing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0

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I can't comment on the NYT article because I can't read it, at least not right now. Anything more/different than CNBC's report - http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/29/trump-to-reveal-deal-to-keep-nearly-1000-carrier-corp-jobs-in-indiana-sources.html?

"Trump Admin and reach agreement on keeping close to 1000 factory jobs in Carrier plant in Indiana- sources."

"Deal terms to keep Carrier jobs in Indiana include new inducements from state. Deal spear headed by former Indiana Gov Pence."

Great news! Sounds like they double-teamed Carrier - Trump threatened with a stick and Pence offered a carrot.
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great news if true. It's a great start
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Carrier announcement Thursday. Time for the nevertrumpers to break it down and explain why it is nothing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0


This is the article on carrier that all the other news sources are citing. 

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/29/trump-to-reveal-deal-to-keep-nearly-1000-carrier-corp-jobs-in-indiana-sources.html
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As did the U.N., which passed 19 resolutions demanding that Iraq declare its WMDs.  The attack on Iraq was carried out because Iraq ignored those demands for years.  We're better off for having gotten rid of Saddam.  The post-military response was handled poorly.

As for Afghanistan, read the attached article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-horrifying-look-into-the-mind-of-911s-mastermind-in-his-own-words/2016/11/28/bf5827a8-b575-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html

Here is an excerpt that is particularly important for liberals like Dewey and Bluedog to read:

But perhaps the most riveting part of the book is what KSM told Mitchell about what inspired al-Qaeda to attack the United States — and the U.S. response he expected. Today, some on both the left and the right argue that al-Qaeda wanted to draw us into a quagmire in Afghanistan — and now the Islamic State wants to do the same in Iraq and Syria. KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.

“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”

But KSM said something else that was prophetic. In the end, he told Mitchell, “We will win because Americans don’t realize . . . we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.”


The 19 resolutions were passed as the US slammed them through and they had little in the way of teeth so the Russians were not blocking them.  

I had no problem, and still have no problem with us taking the fight to the terrorists by going to Iraq and Afganastan.  I also knew that any since of a quagmire would be self created.  It also made sense to go to Iraq because it has strategic oil reserves.  

I only had a problem when so much was hinged on the Weapons of Mass destruction.  Even long after it was clear that there were no weapons of mass destruction. 

I think also USA needs to get used to a different concept of winning when dealing with middle east.  We should go in there pound their houses into dust, grind their roads to rubble, and offer them an opportunity join us in building a democratic country from what is left.  If/when they refuse, we leave them to kill each other over the scraps.  

If they then rebuild into something that can again export harm to us, as they have done with ISIS.  We show back up pound that back into the ground, turn their roads into rubble again.  We let them know we are happy to do this as long and as often as it takes.  

As WarDaddy from the movie Fury said.  "You're an animal. A dog. All you understand is the fist and boot"  We assume they are animals, we give the fist and the boot until they prove otherwise.

A big part of that is not getting distracted by dopey ghost chases like the "Weapons of Mass Destruction". 
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Kellyanne Conway to go to Canadian Oil Sands.   It is being taken as a clear sign that there will be a focus on North American energy self sufficiency.  
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Kellyanne Conway to go to Canadian Oil Sands.   It is being taken as a clear sign that there will be a focus on North American energy self sufficiency.  


We are 8 years behind in the great pipeline project because of the sorry Harry reid, Pelosi and obummer era

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As expected, Wilbur Ross for Commerce Sec.

Todd Ricketts, Cubs co-owner and GOP donor, for Commerce Deputy. I suppose he's looking for a new challenge since the Cubs won the WS.
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Democrat donor, business sleaze, serial adulterer.

Seems to be a pattern.


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As expected, Wilbur Ross for Commerce Sec.

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Sarah Palin up for VA Secretary. Couldn't think of a better applicant
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Democrat donor, business sleaze, serial adulterer.

Seems to be a pattern.




hehe those do seem to be the bona fides for a good trump cabinet candidate.

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Sarah Palin up for VA Secretary. Couldn't think of a better applicant


I'm gonna pop a vein if that goes down.

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I'm gonna pop a vein if that goes down.


I bet you will

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I bet you will


That was dirty.  Hehe.
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Sarah Palin up for VA Secretary. Couldn't think of a better applicant


Honest question - do you think she will be good at this?

I just wonder if this is too "administrative" for her.  Lots of hands on, detail stuff.  I don't know if that's her thing or not - it seems to be a hard labor with low visibility sort of position.


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Maybe she could see a VA from her house?
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Maybe she could see a VA from her house?


You do know she never said that about Russia don't you?  Just making sure

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Yes - it was on SNL. Doesn't change my opinion on her.
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Just wanted to confirm, never know what people believe anymore.

 You guys are trying to out chum the chumslinger hard to read through facts and fiction

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Honest question - do you think she will be good at this?

I just wonder if this is too "administrative" for her.  Lots of hands on, detail stuff.  I don't know if that's her thing or not - it seems to be a hard labor with low visibility sort of position.




No.PortraitNameState of ResidenceTook OfficeLeft OfficePresident(s)
1Ed derwinski.jpgEd DerwinskiIllinoisMarch 15, 1989September 26, 1992 George H. W. Bush
Anthony Principi.jpgAnthony Principi[1]
(acting)
CaliforniaSeptember 26, 1992January 20, 1993
2Jesse brown va.jpgJesse BrownIllinoisJanuary 22, 1993July 1, 1997 Bill Clinton
Gober sm.jpgHershel W. Gober[2]
(acting)
ArkansasJuly 1, 1997January 2, 1998
3TogoDWest.jpgTogo D. West, Jr.District of ColumbiaJanuary 2, 1998[3]May 5, 1998
May 5, 1998July 25, 2000
Gober sm.jpgHershel W. Gober[2]
(acting)
ArkansasJuly 25, 2000January 20, 2001
4Anthony Principi.jpgAnthony PrincipiCaliforniaJanuary 23, 2001January 26, 2005 George W. Bush
5JimNicholson.jpgJim Nicholson,
Colonel, USA (Ret.)
ColoradoJanuary 26, 2005October 1, 2007
Gordon H. Mansfield.jpgGordon H. Mansfield[4]
(acting)
FloridaOctober 1, 2007December 20, 2007
6PeakeJames.jpgJames B. Peake,
Lt.Gen., USA (Ret.)
District of ColumbiaDecember 20, 2007January 20, 2009
7Eric Shinseki official Veterans Affairs portrait.jpgEric Shinseki,
General, USA (Ret.)
HawaiiJanuary 20, 2009May 30, 2014 Barack Obama
Sloan Gibson.jpgSloan D. Gibson
(acting)
AlabamaMay 30, 2014July 30, 2014 
8Robert A. McDonald Official Portrait.jpgRobert McDonald,
Captain, USA
OhioJuly 30, 2014present 


What have these people done for the VA?  Every head of the VA has been a veteran themselves, what has that done for us?  No woman has run the VA, what has that got us?  Maybe the job was too administrative for these turkeys



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I don't much like Sarah Palin these days.  However, I still have not watched a Tina Fey product since 2007, because the way Palin was treated was shameful.
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I'm not rooting for her as in a popularity contest. I'm not going to name her attributes here in this thread that could help her in the position just for your guys entertainment and be able to shoot my thoughts down.

 When I retire in a couple of years, my backup medical after my retiree medical is applied, could very well be my VA benefits.  I've seen with my own eyes [friends and acquaintances] and read enough horror stories to know how veterans have been treated for the last 15 years under the direction of those in charge.   This cannot continue and the men posted in the chart above are responsible.

As a veteran, I'm willing to give her a chance if she is named.  The rest of you, it will hardly affect you anyway.  No one here probably thinks the VA is in the top 20 on list of importance in their lives.  For me, definitely in the top 5



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