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Dewey

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Obama's out of office.  Right now we're discussing how Barney controlled the Government when Republicans had WH, Senate, and House from 2003-2007.  Any thoughts?
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Bush was trying, although it was a bit weak. 

Frank and Dodd 100% have their name all over the social engineering explosion that was the 2007-2008 mortgage lending bubble burst.  They came up with the concept of expanding Freddit and Fannie to give loans to houses that people could not afford.   As pressure mounted on the sysstem and seams started unravelling, they put full court presses on everyone to keep the money flowing. 

Plenty of evidence for who owns what.  


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Dewey,

How does a President increase "economic activity"?


Obama was not mentioned - you cited his efforts to increase economic activity that was supposedly thwarted by the Republicans and caused the record increase in debt.  If you don't want to share what those things were, that's ok.
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Bush was trying, although it was a bit weak. 

Frank and Dodd 100% have their name all over the social engineering explosion that was the 2007-2008 mortgage lending bubble burst.  They came up with the concept of expanding Freddit and Fannie to give loans to houses that people could not afford.   As pressure mounted on the sysstem and seams started unravelling, they put full court presses on everyone to keep the money flowing. 

Plenty of evidence for who owns what.  




This reminds me of the selling of the war and Republicans subsequently calling out Democrats by reminding them, "You guys voted for the war".  Can't have it both ways.  If you sign on to what one is promoting, who do you plan to blame?  Barney Frank could have had a bad idea but he didn't have the power to collapse the Government, particularly when the opposition holds the majority everywhere.  President Bush failed to stop the collapse, failed to recognize what big banks were doing, and he will own these facts forever.
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President Bush isn't President anymore - stop blaming him for President Obama being the most unpatriotic President of all time.
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This reminds me of the selling of the war and Republicans subsequently calling out Democrats by reminding them, "You guys voted for the war".  Can't have it both ways.  If you sign on to what one is promoting, who do you plan to blame?  Barney Frank could have had a bad idea but he didn't have the power to collapse the Government, particularly when the opposition holds the majority everywhere.  President Bush failed to stop the collapse, failed to recognize what big banks were doing, and he will own my alternative facts forever.



FTFY

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Glad you fixed his faux pas
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By facts I mean the two big events, economic collapse and banking activities that led Lehman Bros to bankruptcy.  Saying President Bush failed to recognize what these banks were doing is my opinion and not a fact.  I stand corrected.  That said these two events will forever be remembered as part of the Bush years in office.  The debate will continue as some will say he should have been able to protect us and some will say there was nothing he could do or he did all he could.
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Still curious how a President can increase "economic activity"
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Stop signing bad trade deals. Stop the influx of illegal aliens competing with American tradesmen. Order the immediate removal of all illegal aliens and those that overstayed there visas. Refuse to sign budgets that give tax benefits to corporations that send manufacturing jobs overseas, and funding of departments that send tax dollars to foreign governments. That would be a good start.
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Reduce the debt so our money actually pays for useful programs, and we have to invest in things like roads and bridges.

When it all goes to interest, it does nothing for us.
woody

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Mikec, I think I asked this before. Do you negotiate contracts or do planning for road and bridge projects?
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Roads, bridges, major transit lines, utility lines, private development projects (from 7-11's to 10,000 acre projects).  Planning, design and construction.  Both public and private sector.

If it's in the world of civil engineering or planning, I've done it.

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Mikec, I think I asked this before. Do you negotiate contracts or do planning for road and bridge projects?
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So I'm guessing a proposed trillion dollar infrastructure program would be a good thing for you. Do you have any knowledge of the proposed high speed rail project in Texas?
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So I'm guessing a proposed trillion dollar infrastructure program would be a good thing for you. Do you have any knowledge of the proposed high speed rail project in Texas?


I think it will happen before California builds theirs.  That's where that population kills you.  Texas has a lot of open land to build on between Houston and Dallas, don't it woody?

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So I'm guessing a proposed trillion dollar infrastructure program would be a good thing for you. Do you have any knowledge of the proposed high speed rail project in Texas?


Theoretically, it could help me, but it depends on how it's structured.  It seems of late, funding gets bundled into mega projects ($1B and up), and agencies hire mega firms to do it.  That is squeezing out small guys like me.

I can't imagine any scenario where we can afford that, however.

As for Texas HSR, I haven't kept up with it lately. I was involved in FL's HSR project in the late 90's that Governor Bush killed, and again in Florida's project that Governor Scott killed.  I was also involved in one from Atlanta to Chattanooga that petered out.

While doing those, I was following the TX and CA projects.  I knew some guys working on both of those, but I've lost touch since I haven't been in that world for awhile.

HSR is a very expensive proposition, and is very hard to fund.  Not sure we'll see one in this country anytime soon.

Often, IMHO, the mission (Purpose and Need in the lingo) isn't as well defined as it should be, and they bog down, largely due to huge cost for unknown benefit.

It is very hard to fund rail transit in general.  Both Dallas and Houston's light rail programs owe their existence, in part, to the very program that trump is cutting.

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I tried to copy Deweys reply to reply to but it came up a blank page, so here's my response anyway.

We aren't borrowing for security and defense. We're borrowing for everything else. [smile]

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Dewey

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With Republicans in full charge, I assume they will cut all unnecessary spending (if not I won't understand why they're still wasting our money) and assuming we still have a deficit, it means all spending increases on border security, national security, and defense spending will be borrowed from our children.  Please explain why we can't pay for these needs ourselves.

Republicans should cut all spending they feel we don't need and, if we still have a $50 billion deficit or whatever, they should raise taxes to cover this shortage.  The budget should be balanced as Republicans have always claimed.
TheNarrator

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You claimed before that only democrats balanced budgets...

Which one is it?

#somanysidescantkeepthemstraight
Dewey

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That's right and I'm trying to prove my claim.  Republicans aren't concerned about a deficit and aren't that concerned about borrowing from our children.  These next few years offer them an opportunity to prove otherwise.  We'll see if they think a balanced budget is that important.
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Do you recall the last time the budget was balanced what actually happened?
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I think it will happen before California builds theirs.  That's where that population kills you.  Texas has a lot of open land to build on between Houston and Dallas, don't it woody?


The thing about condemning property for a rail between Houston, and Dallas, is that it is too expensive to take property in a straight line running alongside I-45. As a result, they are proposing the route start 40 miles west of Houston, and run through rural areas. Easier and cheaper to condemn they thought. Pretty big uprising against it, and they haven't even started talking to the owners of gas pipelines that they have to mitigate. It's easy to push Ma and Pa around, but the Oil and Gas companies expect real compensation, and they live in court anyway.

Also, the number of people expected to ride the rail, and the cost and time to do so, are not competitive with Southwest Airlines. SW Airlines doesn't like the thought of competition with their hard earned flight routes. It's really hard to justify the rail. It's in the same place that the NAFTA highway, I-69 ran into. Politicians handing over property rights to foreign investors, didn't set too well with the voters.

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I doubt I'll be around to ride it so my thoughts are with the property owners, of course there would be opposition.  I'm easily convinced.  Let's be smarter than California and scrap the idea on the drawing board.

I've looked into this mode recently

http://vonlane.com/index/experience

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You're a Hippie Union Worker, not a Rock Star. I see this in your future.

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You're a Hippie Union Worker, not a Rock Star. I see this in your future.

1973 Winnebago Indian Class C in Reno, NV


What's funny, looks like a 1972.  I lived in the exact model in an RV park in Mission, TX in 1993-94 while my union job was hanging by a thread.

 I've been laid off, on the street for a year in 1992-93.  I was then forced to Keller/Irving, TX in 1994.  I spent almost a full year in Hawaii in 1989 because my company considered me a 'surplus' employee after they got their bell rung by a PUC fine in the millions of dollars. I spent the Fall of 2009 in West Virginia.  All to keep my job.

 I'm lucky to have a union vs. the likes of Verizon and GTE.  Verizon is the largest group of carpet-bagging, swine that ever lived.

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http://vonlane.com/index/experience


at $99 one way the price is comparable to Southwest flight if you had to arrive 2 hours early and pay for parking

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at $99 one way the price is comparable to Southwest flight if you had to arrive 2 hours early and pay for parking


Yea I was just running some 'Houston to Dallas' legs, not a bad price for a 3:45 hour trip. Wonder what the bus attendants are wearing......

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Not a bad price at all
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I think it will happen before California builds theirs.  That's where that population kills you.  Texas has a lot of open land to build on between Houston and Dallas, don't it woody?

The larger urban sprawls around the northern and southern ends is a bigger challenge and it's exacerbated by the mountains surrounding them. CA has a lot of open agricultural land in between.
[288px-Map_california_central_valley] 

They're currently working on the first stretch of 119 miles, which only links Fresno and Bakersfield. Similar distances are required to connect with SF bay area in the north and LA in the south - and they provide the most payback.

My biggest problem with Cal HSR is they've proceeded despite not meeting the conditions of the ballot measure and consequently don't have funding to complete the project.
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