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Dewey

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CR's or authorizations to spend.  Call the annual budgets the sides agreed upon whatever is appropriate. 
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Obama got elected twice despite increasing the debt by 86% and raising it almost as much as every president before him combined. Also, income disparity grew at an all time rate. Why do you hold President Trum to a different standard? By your standard of success, you should be lining up to vote for his second term.

Big part of obummers debt burden was from Bush crashing the economy.  So you gotta give him a little room on that. 

No obummer care changes, no ss, no medicare.  no budget fixes.   That is like 80% of your budget.  So you can only work on 20%, which is not going to do much.

Trumps budget cuts pretty aggressively.  While rebuilding our military which is badly needed.
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We cannot continue the handouts for a vote, and survive as a nation. The national debt will crush us, and destroy SS and Medicare.
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as uw said yesterday, I suppose we have to see how this adds up.  I don't see a net cut.  I see lots of programs chopped, with the money diverted t making even bigger programs in other areas.

If that is true, it isn't cutting - spending is the same.  I would argue, however, that some of his cuts/redirections could negatively impact the economy.
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Days ago I tried to analyze what results President Trump could achieve that would increase his support among the American people.  I suggested the most important one could be increasing average family incomes.  That said, if he increases it a couple thousand a year, it's hard to know how much that will mean as it relates to increased popularity.  As far as we know, the wealthy may go up dramatically which drives up the overall average which may not be substantial to average working families.  Just the same, an average increase in family income would still be a benefit to President Trump.

If we look at more potential results that may occur based on his budget, the benefits appear less appealing.  First off, the $437 Billion deficit appears it will be the same.  I can't see how anyone will find this to be a positive result.  In fact many Conservatives may wonder why he isn't reducing the deficit.  He could lose some of their support here.  If we look at cuts in housing and meals on wheels, I can see more support eroding.  If the CBO is correct and the new health care bill leads to millions losing insurance, there's more of his support evaporating.  If he succeeds in bringing jobs to those hard hit areas, they'll certainly be happy but these appear to be folks he's already won over.  Are there gains to be had here?  I don't know.

My understanding is the NYPD is taking some huge counter-terrorism cuts.  Maybe that's good for those looking for less Government spending but if some tragedy happens in NY, President Trump will take a big hit for these cuts.  That will hurt his popularity.  Again, little to gain and potentially a great deal to lose.

Cutting programs across the board is going to lead to many complaints of reduced services.  If the deficit were being lowered in a dramatic way, maybe it would offset these complaints.  But it appears that won't be the case.  No matter how you cut it, I see the President taking hits all over the place with few attaboys offsetting the negatives.  President Obama had a lot of jobs to recover, a lot of market to grow, deficits to lower, and several social gains (gay marriage and gays serving in military) to help grow his popularity.  I just don't see where President Trump finds the achievements which will bolster his support.  IOW, little to gain and much to lose.  Not an easy position to be in.  JMHO


You claim that Obama is very popular with the people but during his administration, incomes declined.  How do you explain the above comment in bold?
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What budgets? When did a budget get passed?


Exactly, I don't remember any budgets being passed.
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CR's or authorizations to spend.  Call the annual budgets the sides agreed upon whatever is appropriate. 


When did this happen?
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Big part of obummers debt burden was from Bush crashing the economy.  So you gotta give him a little room on that. 

No obummer care changes, no ss, no medicare.  no budget fixes.   That is like 80% of your budget.  So you can only work on 20%, which is not going to do much.

Trumps budget cuts pretty aggressively.  While rebuilding our military which is badly needed.


Tell us exactly what Bush did to crash the economy.  Then, tell us what part Chris Dodd and Barney Frank had when they insisted that mortgage lending standards should be dramatically loosened to allow more people to own homes.  Then tell us what Bush was supposed to do about Wall Street trying to make trillions of dollars by bundling all of those bad mortgages and selling them as if they were an asset.  Tell us how one man fvcked all that up.
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We cannot continue the handouts for a vote, and survive as a nation. The national debt will crush us, and destroy SS and Medicare.


Exactly right.  We will never see the national debt reduced without taking two-thirds of our spending.
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Tell us exactly what Bush did to crash the economy.  Then, tell us what part Chris Dodd and Barney Frank had when they insisted that mortgage lending standards should be dramatically loosened to allow more people to own homes.  Then tell us what Bush was supposed to do about Wall Street trying to make trillions of dollars by bundling all of those bad mortgages and selling them as if they were an asset.  Tell us how one man fvcked all that up.


Come on uwa, how did Bush do that?

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He's a favorite target of liberals. Spending was out of control under him I will admit, but blaming him for Obama doubling the national debt is right out of the democratic playbook
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He's a favorite target of liberals. Spending was out of control under him I will admit, but blaming him for Obama doubling the national debt is right out of the democratic playbook

agree. Bush opened the massive debt pile up door.  Obummer took it to a whole new level. 
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Come on uwa, how did Bush do that?

I actually agree.  Dodd and Frank pressureing Freddie and Fannie to make all of those unsound loans to helpz the peoplez was the the largest social engineering failure in the history of man. 

Bush caved to those antics and allowed them to happen to keep his precious war rolling.  Just a note. I was never and still not against the war.  Voted, wrote my reps and senators to vote for the war, and felt we must always always support our troops committed to the field of battle.  The Dems saw Bush's weakness on the war, and used it to extract massive government spending.   Towards the end Bush was giving the 18x or 20x on new domestic spending for every dollar to the military.  Bush had zero ability to go to the press and call the democrats out for being the cowards they are, when the dems are using our troops on the field of battle as a bargaining chip.    

Once the Debt bubble burst and completely surprised the Bush admin, from the top to the bottom.  They were the ones that allocated nearly $15T in new debt/cash to prop everyone up.  In one day they handed $800B to the banks to keep money in the system.
  
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I actually agree.  Dodd and Frank pressureing Freddie and Fannie to make all of those unsound loans to helpz the peoplez was the the largest social engineering failure in the history of man. 

Bush caved to those antics and allowed them to happen to keep his precious war rolling.  Just a note. I was never and still not against the war.  Voted, wrote my reps and senators to vote for the war, and felt we must always always support our troops committed to the field of battle.  The Dems saw Bush's weakness on the war, and used it to extract massive government spending.   Towards the end Bush was giving the 18x or 20x on new domestic spending for every dollar to the military.  Bush had zero ability to go to the press and call the democrats out for being the cowards they are, when the dems are using our troops on the field of battle as a bargaining chip.    

Once the Debt bubble burst and completely surprised the Bush admin, from the top to the bottom.  They were the ones that allocated nearly $15T in new debt/cash to prop everyone up.  In one day they handed $800B to the banks to keep money in the system.
  



While there is a lot of truth in this post, there is a little misleading information also. 

Bush tried several times to have regulators reign in Freddie & Fannie. You can find video on youtube of Barney Frank dressing down a government employee in a committee meeting discussing the mortgage giants. I have numerous times posted an article, in refute of dewey claiming that GWB caused the collapse, of Barney Frank admitting he ignored the multiple warnings of government regulators.

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To blame individual Congress members for tragedies in the US is just plain wrong.  For example, if we end up getting Ryancare and it turns out to be a disaster, are we to blame Rep Ryan?  How about all others who vote for the bill and the President who signs it?  The buck stops with the President and he will rise or fall on the results of Ryancare. 

The President is obligated to see trouble on the horizon.  He must use the bully pulpit to correct the problems he foresees. I don't recall President Bush doing any of that.  Are we to blame Barney Frank for the Lehman Bros collapse?  Really?  A simple Congressman should have seen the inappropriate activities in the banking industry and put an end to them?  Really?

No, the President is ultimately responsible.  If we need new laws to prevent an economic collapse, it's the President's responsibility to go in front of the American people, daily if necessary, and make the case.  A President can't sit back and allow a collapse and then blame an individual in the House.  Congress members have little power on an individual basis.

With regards to who we hold accountable for continuing resolutions that add dollars to our debt, I think the case can be made that all are responsible.  At the same time, the President signs the budget, or CR, and thus will own it for the most part.

Assume President Obama wanted a hand gun ban and enough Republicans in the GOP run House and Senate agreed to pass such a bill, while the leadership agreed to bring it to a vote.  Who would you hold accountable for banning hand guns?  Of course the ban would be owned by President Obama but I suspect many would be angry at Republicans for signing on.  If Republicans have majorities in both Houses and still allowed President Obama to pass his hand gun ban bill, I suspect most Republicans would be outraged at their Congress rather than the President.  How can they bark at the POTUS when their own Party signed on?  I think we can say the same thing with the last six years of CR's and Federal deficits.  Leadership brought them to a vote and enough Republicans signed on.  Do you think they should be held accountable for our increased debt?

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To blame individual Congress members for tragedies in the US is just plain wrong.  For example, if we end up getting Ryancare and it turns out to be a disaster, are we to blame Rep Ryan?  How about all others who vote for the bill and the President who signs it?  The buck stops with the President and he will rise or fall on the results of Ryancare. 

The President is obligated to see trouble on the horizon.  He must use the bully pulpit to correct the problems he foresees. I don't recall President Bush doing any of that.  Are we to blame Barney Frank for the Lehman Bros collapse?  Really?  A simple Congressman should have seen the inappropriate activities in the banking industry and put an end to them?  Really?

No, the President is ultimately responsible.  If we need new laws to prevent an economic collapse, it's the President's responsibility to go in front of the American people, daily if necessary, and make the case.  A President can't sit back and allow a collapse and then blame an individual in the House.  Congress members have little power on an individual basis.

With regards to who we hold accountable for continuing resolutions that add dollars to our debt, I think the case can be made that all are responsible.  At the same time, the President signs the budget, or CR, and thus will own it for the most part.

Assume President Obama wanted a hand gun ban and enough Republicans in the GOP run House and Senate agreed to pass such a bill, while the leadership agreed to bring it to a vote.  Who would you hold accountable for banning hand guns?  Of course the ban would be owned by President Obama but I suspect many would be angry at Republicans for signing on.  If Republicans have majorities in both Houses and still allowed President Obama to pass his hand gun ban bill, I suspect most Republicans would be outraged at their Congress rather than the President.  How can they bark at the POTUS when their own Party signed on?  I think we can say the same thing with the last six years of CR's and Federal deficits.  Leadership brought them to a vote and enough Republicans signed on.  Do you think they should be held accountable for our increased debt?





Go back and take a F'ing civics class.

This has to rank right up there with the absolute most dumda$$ post ever for you.

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You've tweaked the interest of the readers.  Now at least tell them what I got wrong.  Thanks.
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You've tweaked the interest of the readers.  Now at least tell them what I got wrong.  Thanks.




The readers have read this over & over & over, ad nauseam, seems you are the only one in here that can't comprehend how our government works.

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Well if I have said something that is wrong, or if I have said something others may disagree with, I'm confident some Conservative will come along and explain these distinctions.  After all, this is a political discussion forum. 
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2012


https://robocoach.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1274678545&postcount=21&forum=10117



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http://archive.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2010/10/14/frank_haunted_by_stance_on_fannie_freddie/


WASHINGTON — When US Representative Barney Frank spoke in a packed hearing room on Capitol Hill seven years ago, he did not imagine that his words would eventually haunt a reelection bid.

The issue that day in 2003 was whether mortgage backers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were fiscally strong. Frank declared with his trademark confidence that they were, accusing critics and regulators of exaggerating threats to Fannie’s and Freddie’s financial integrity. And, the Massachusetts Democrat maintained, “even if there were problems, the federal government doesn’t bail them out.’’

Now, it’s clear he was wrong on both points — and that his words have become a political liability as he fights a determined challenger to win a 16th term representing the Fourth Congressional District. Fannie and Freddie collapsed in 2008, forcing the federal government to buy $150 billion worth of stock in the enterprises and $1.36 trillion worth of mortgage-backed securities.

Frank, in his most detailed explanation to date about his actions, said in an interview he missed the warning signs because he was wearing ideological blinders. He said he had worried that Republican lawmakers and the Bush administration were going after Fannie and Freddie for their own ideological reasons and would curtail the lenders’ mission of providing affordable housing.

“I was late in seeing it, no question,’’ Frank said about the lenders’ descent into insolvency. Yep, it is all Bushs fault


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Dewy wearing on everyone's last nerve, according to his plan.

#breakingthrough

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Barney Frank does not make law.  Do you think Barney Frank caused Lehman Bros to collapse?  Please be specific and please point out what I said in my post that you found inaccurate or you disagreed with.  Again, please be specific.
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If you guys don't want to discuss this subject, or my post, please allow another to come along and do so if they so choose.  Not necessary to turn this back at me.
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I venture to say only pabar actually 'wants to' have conversations with you. This was a discussion over something that uwa had written and the differences in opinion that resulted. We've heard your dribbles of repetition for years. Do a poll by the readers of who actually enjoys conversing with you
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2008/09/bush-called-for-reform-of-fannie-mae/




Bush Called For Reform of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 17 Times in 2008 Alone… Dems Ignored Warnings

For many years the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at a housing government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted.


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Just because you didn't listen, doesn't mean it didn't happen.


“Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)

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OK, you want to say the President did go to the American people and campaign for change.  I for one don't remember it but let's agree he did.  I would then ask did he and Republicans put forth a bill that was voted down by Democrats?  Was there a bill put forward that stopped Lehman Bros from their practices that led to their collapse?  Can you give an example of those bills and show how they were voted down?

Secondly, whatever Fannie and Freddie were allowed to do, somebody other than Barney Frank had to sign off on it.  Maybe Clinton, maybe Bush, I don't know.  I do know a Congressman doesn't have the power to make agencies perform the way he/she wants.  If Bush wanted changes to these agencies, how did Barney Frank brush him aside and do as he pleased?  My guess is there was a law in place which allowed certain practices to continue.

President Obama tried to keep tax rates up to generate more revenue.  He failed in a higher estate tax for instance.  These revenues would have kept our debt from rising as much.  Republicans blocked his efforts and yet still they blame Obama for our rising debt.  If we approached this as some here approach Barney Frank, then it's the Republicans fault our debt went up as much as it did.

Here's an article that shows there were numerous reasons for the collapse.  Everyone is to blame.  I'm OK with that but I hold the President in charge responsible with seeing the problems coming and getting them corrected.  I don't remember many prime time speeches to the American public telling us what was around the corner.  For whatever reason, the President failed to to stop the collapse, failed to see the Wall Street shenanigans that were going on, and therefore will be held accountable for the 2008 collapse.  Similarly, Obama tried to increase revenues and tried to increase economic activity but was mostly thwarted.  Just the same, he'll forever be held responsible for the increased debt over his eight years regardless of the fact the Republicans signed on to all the annual spending agreements and objected to his revenue (tax) requests.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/
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Let me add the Republicans controlled both House of Congress from 2003-2007.  I don't see how Barney takes on all these Republicans and the White House to boot.
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Dewey,

How does a President increase "economic activity"?
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