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3leftturns

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So Craighton, Denham and Lotief are part of the suit, but I have never heard of any of the other players.
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So Craighton, Denham and Lotief are part of the suit, but I have never heard of any of the other players.

They filed a complaint, not a lawsuit.  This is the first step to filing a potential lawsuit.  I am trying to figure out the end game here with the complaint.  The school will most certainly defend itself against the complaint and any potential suit.  I wonder if these young ladies are hoping for some type of settlement to just go away.
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Wilmer right out of the gate with the denigrating "they are doing it for the money" muse? Alrighty then.
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So Craighton, Denham and Lotief are part of the suit, but I have never heard of any of the other players.
Doni Sanders?
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Wilmer right out of the gate with the denigrating "they are doing it for the money" muse? Alrighty then.

Ha ha.  Just because I asked a question that I am sure many are also thinking, I am denigrating women? How about you putting away your pacifier and thinking like an adult for once in your life.
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Doni Sanders?


D.J. Sanders actual name is Doni Jenee Sanders. 
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Ha ha.  Just because I asked a question that I am sure many are also thinking, I am denigrating women? How about you putting away your pacifier and thinking like an adult for once in your life.



Tap the brakes, wilma. No mention or inference  of women in my post. You got excited, then confused. Let me help. You impugned the motives of the complaint filers. 

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W:

You are turning it into a personal vendetta with monetary rewards as the motivation without understanding the process. I admit I don't understand all of it myself, but come on...



No, I am trying to figure out the end game in all of this.  The stadium they play in is one of the nicest in the country with a top notch hitting facility attached to it.  So scratch that as an issue.  I have seen pictures of their locker room and it is extremely nice.  So scratch that as an issue.  Lotief wasn't denied 2 paid assistants and a volunteer assistant.  So scratch that as an issue.  I saw the video of the press conference for the attorney representing the players in their complaint and she focused on the fact that the softball team lacked a full time trainer when the boys baseball team had one.  Ok, if true, that's an issue.  She also referred to the grass at the field not being timely cut.  Ok, if true, that's an issue. She also talked about the girls being locked out of the locker room immediately after Lotief was fired.  Since they fired him for cause, I would assume that the administration wanted to make sure that there was nothing in the locker room that might have supported their reason for firing Lotief so they locked the door while they checked the locker room.  It was my understanding that the locker room was opened the next day to the players.  So scratch that as an issue.  The lawyer admitted that she was being paid by alumni who were unhappy that Lotief got fired.  Is it possible that this could be some vendetta by the alumni/players to exact some measure of revenge against the university?  Would monetary damages be one way to exact revenge?
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The new coach is mentioned in complaint, problems already. Ruh roh
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D.J. Sanders actual name is Doni Jenee Sanders. 
The RESPONSE was to a post where the only recognized players were Craighton and Denham
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Tap the brakes, wilma. No mention or inference  of women in my post. You got excited, then confused. Let me help. You impugned the motives of the complaint filers. 

LOL.  Your reading comprehension skills mirror that of your intelligence.  I ask that you take off your pink hat and re-read my post.  I was simply trying to figure what the complainants are hoping to accomplish with the filing of this complaint.  It certainly isn't out of the realm to think that the hope of some type of monetary payoff to just go away is not a logical thought.  Happens everyday in the real world.  None of the complainants even play for the university anymore.  Are they doing it so that future players won't have to endure the discrimination that they are alleging? We already know that the attorney that is representing them isn't doing this pro bono.

Lastly, you seek to set yourself up as some paragon of virtue but you intentionally attempt to denigrate me by purposely spelling my name incorrectly. Nice.
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Doni Sanders?
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They just need to move on. Loteif showed his true colors over and over again
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They just need to move on. Loteif showed his true colors over and over again


Yes he did, didn't he?  What an odd little cult figure he was at ULL.
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Can someone list the coaches who have had their similar size mid major schools ranked as consistently high for as long as the Lotiefs? I'm sure there must be others. Help me out here.
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So does this hurt the program in recruiting regardless of what comes out?
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Can someone list the coaches who have had their similar size mid major schools ranked as consistently high for as long as the Lotiefs? I'm sure there must be others. Help me out here.


Yvette?
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I just do not see how they get Loteif back at this point.

The rest of the 'complaints' seem pretty minor. 

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Yvette?
B4 my time. How were their national rankings under her compared to the Lotiefs?

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https://katc.com/news/2018/09/14/former-ragin-cajuns-softball-players-allege-racism-sexual-harassment-in-title-ix-complaints/

Zero skin in this particular game, but reading the individual players' complaints (included at the bottom the katc.com page) was interesting. You expect the complaints about race, gender and sexual orientation discrimination, but this is the first time I've seen complaints of harassment/discrimination for being heterosexual. Was surprised that players names weren't redacted in the complaints.
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The athlete complaints are heart breaking. Glasco really could have handled this better. He knew coming in that ULL's roster was large. You have to know there is chaos and issues when a coach is booted and holds a press conference with some of the players. How about Glasco restoring some normalcy by not allowing your behavior to contribute and make it worse?

I hear of this relegating to catching fly balls during hitting practice happens; and that players don't get any reps in practice, based simply on the whims of the coach and being in the clique. (Then trying to make them team lackey managers or treat them like lackeys.) This needs to stop. If you can't handle the roster size (or evaluate kids fairly for remaining on the roster), then don't take the job there. If the kids then and only then don't pass muster, help them find another school. Instead, Glasco thinks he is a king--you know it's only a game and you can do these things in humane ways.
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I will say that if this proceeds to an actual courtroom you can't know which directions the questions about accusations may go about a persons personal life and history may go once you're on the witness stand. I wouldn't think anyone would want an under oath questioning. You could have former teammates with differing views of the same events.
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The athlete complaints are heart breaking. Glasco really could have handled this better. He knew coming in that ULL's roster was large. You have to know there is chaos and issues when a coach is booted and holds a press conference with some of the players. How about Glasco restoring some normalcy by not allowing your behavior to contribute and make it worse?

I hear of this relegating to catching fly balls during hitting practice happens; and that players don't get any reps in practice, based simply on the whims of the coach and being in the clique. (Then trying to make them team lackey managers or treat them like lackeys.) This needs to stop. If you can't handle the roster size (or evaluate kids fairly for remaining on the roster), then don't take the job there. If the kids then and only then don't pass muster, help them find another school. Instead, Glasco thinks he is a king--you know it's only a game and you can do these things in humane ways.


So softball should be coached differently than other sports?
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No it just shouldn't be coached by men
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The athlete complaints are heart breaking. Glasco really could have handled this better. He knew coming in that ULL's roster was large. You have to know there is chaos and issues when a coach is booted and holds a press conference with some of the players. How about Glasco restoring some normalcy by not allowing your behavior to contribute and make it worse?

I hear of this relegating to catching fly balls during hitting practice happens; and that players don't get any reps in practice, based simply on the whims of the coach and being in the clique. (Then trying to make them team lackey managers or treat them like lackeys.) This needs to stop. If you can't handle the roster size (or evaluate kids fairly for remaining on the roster), then don't take the job there. If the kids then and only then don't pass muster, help them find another school. Instead, Glasco thinks he is a king--you know it's only a game and you can do these things in humane ways.


He did speak about this. He said he wouldn't continue the process of bringing the whole roster on road trips when only 25 would be available for actual play. I would assume those left behind knew they needed additional work to make the travel roster. I wouldn't call it a whim as it would be foolish of a coach to evaluate players, make a decision on your top 25, and then not concentrate on those players who you actually expect to play in the games. I would think every team sport prioritizes getting more reps for the players you expect to play. I've also seen plenty of catching fly balls during hitting work with every coach where I've watched practices.
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Where did you get that only 25 would be available for actual play?
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You know I read all of those complaints. Most of it is heresy and perception. They feel like they were being discriminated against, the one player did say they used derogatory remarks and that was unacceptable.  Once you use a remark like that and others here it you are going to be considered a racist. Shame on them.  

But the players that are complaining that they were injured, came to the school with mental conditions, are considered overweight by their new coach don't have any room to complain.  The coach has every right not to play or practice a player that is hurt or emotionally or physically unfit.  They also have a right to expect a player to be in shape. 

Get ready for the real world ladies.  You can get laid off, fired, co-workers sleep with each other, bosses are asses, the world is not very fair. If you are in an environment that does not suit you move on.  They do not seem to understand that they world is not going to adjust to suit them.  They aren't entitled to practice, travel or play. The coach is not entitled to his or her job either.  It is a hard thing to learn but that is the way it is. 

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Terp - go watch nick sabans practices at Alabama and tell me if the bench players get as many reps as the starters.

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The athlete complaints are heart breaking. Glasco really could have handled this better. He knew coming in that UL's roster was large. You have to know there is chaos and issues when a coach is booted and holds a press conference with some of the players. How about Glasco restoring some normalcy by not allowing your behavior to contribute and make it worse?

I hear of this relegating to catching fly balls during hitting practice happens; and that players don't get any reps in practice, based simply on the whims of the coach and being in the clique. (Then trying to make them team lackey managers or treat them like lackeys.) This needs to stop. If you can't handle the roster size (or evaluate kids fairly for remaining on the roster), then don't take the job there. If the kids then and only then don't pass muster, help them find another school. Instead, Glasco thinks he is a king--you know it's only a game and you can do these things in humane ways.


It's fortunate that you know nothing of any athletic program or softball teams other than Maryland's, since that makes your opinions and comments of no value. It's a shame that the experiences you mention seem to occur in your backyard, because they do not apply to the Cajun softball program, especially while Gerry Glasco has been here.

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