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TheNarrator

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When you have a clear and undisputed history of not telling the truth, the readers just assume you are lying all the time.

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The last GOP President couldn't halt 9/11, wouldn't delay going to war because he wouldn't allow inspectors to finish searching for the WMD's, couldn't keep from signing a withdrawal agreement with Iraq, couldn't find Bin Laden, couldn't get immigration reform done, couldn't put together any healthcare reform, couldn't handle a hurricane disaster, couldn't keep the deficit from significantly rising again, couldn't stop the economy from crashing, and couldn't keep millions of Americans from losing a great deal of their savings in a collapsing stock market.  The last thing we need is to allow another GOP candidate to have another go at it, particularly when this current GOP nominee is less qualified than the last one.


Not necessarily looking for an excuse about why these results occurred but am interested in which of these I got wrong, (or is supposedly a lie), at least from the perspective of a Conservative?
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Let's talk about 9/11.

You are insistent that the bad economy of 2009 and 2010 is the fault of George Bush who left office in 2009.  In other words, Obama inherited that problem.

With 9/11, which occurred 8 months after Bush took office, are we supposed to believe that the planning and execution of that terrorist attack took place in 8 months and that Bush somehow missed a bunch of intel about it?  Bill Clinton admitted that he could have killed Bin Laden in 1998 but didn't.  So, for you to say that Bush couldn't halt 9/11 is, at best, disingenuous and, much more likely, a deliberate and hyper-partisan attempt by you to assign blame where it should be assigned.  Isn't it true that Bush inherited the seeds of that attack that Bill Clinton admitted he could have stopped?
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And by the way, for the rest of the posters, I know this is another rabbit hole intended to take the focus off the disaster that is Hillary Clinton.  Dewey knows that Hillary is a terrible candidate and there's no need to hammer it home with him.  I just want to squash these stupid posts of his wherever I see them.
keepinitreal

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Couldn't stop 9/11, well documented here over the years. Couldn't find bin laden, work during bush's term led to finding bin laden. Read up numbnuts

Now enter the rabbit hole. Dewy can't be trusted with the honesty button

I know pabar, we can see through his motives

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The last GOP President couldn't halt 9/11 see my post on this ridiculous claim, wouldn't delay going to war because he wouldn't allow inspectors to finish searching for the WMD's 19 UN Resolutions over 2 years was plenty of time - you're 100% wrong about this, couldn't keep from signing a withdrawal agreement with Iraq which Obama carried out with disastrous results, couldn't find Bin Laden neither could Obama - our braves servicemen found him and killed him - Obama okayed the operation so he could spike the football for political gain, couldn't get immigration reform done has Obama?  illegal executive actions don't count, couldn't put together any healthcare reform Obama did with more disastrous results, couldn't handle a hurricane disaster Dem talking point - how did Obama do with the flooding in Louisiana - worse, couldn't keep the deficit from significantly rising again the deficit doubled under Obama with almost no economic gain to show for it, couldn't stop the economy from crashing a stupid statement if ever there was one as almost nobody saw the collapse of the housing market and the resulting catastrophe of the financial markets - but, as has already been proven, Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are most responsible among politicians for the crisis, and couldn't keep millions of Americans from losing a great deal of their savings in a collapsing stock market tell us what he should have done.  The last thing we need is to allow another GOP candidate to have another go at it, particularly when this current GOP nominee is less qualified than the last one unlike Obama the community organizer and Hillary the criminal - you're a joke - a bad one.
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pabar - You gave me reasons why we had these results.  I wanted to know which items I got wrong.  Did Bush halt 9/11?  No.  Did Bush stop the economy from crashing?  No.  Again, which result did I lie about?
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pabar - You gave me reasons why we had these results.  I wanted to know which items I got wrong.  Did Bush halt 9/11?  No.  Did Bush stop the economy from crashing?  No.  Again, which result did I lie about?


Oh - is that the game you want to play?  Big mistake on your part.  Get ready for a list of the things Obama didn't do.

All - feel free to play along.
pabar61

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What Obama couldn't do:

Stop the rise of ISIS.
Stop the war in either Iran or Afghanistan.
Close GITMO.
Stop the ascendency of Russia.
Stop Russia from annexing Crimea.
Stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
Stop Iran from taking hostages.
Stop Iran from negotiating the release of hostages for ransom payments.
Stop Brexit.
Halt the war in Syria.
Prevent the mass influx of immigrants to Europe.
Stop the Boston bombers.
Stop the Orlando shooter.
Stop the San Bernardino shooter.
Prevent a race war.
Stop the flood of illegal immigrants.
Get immigration reform done.
Reform the tax code.
Halt the rise of people on welfare.
Halt the rise of people on disability.
Help the black community in any way.
Stop the devastation of mass abortions.
Grow the economy by more than 3%.
Get UE6 levels back to pre-recession levels.
Stop healthcare premiums from rising as promised.
Allow people to keep their doctors as promised.
Allow people time to read pending legislation as promised.

There's more but that's all I could come up with off the top of my head.
keepinitreal

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That's a great list
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Dewey

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pabar - You have repeated most of those points over and over the last 7 plus years in your "failure" thread, (many things that happen in foreign lands a President has no ability to halt), and then I provided my list and you started going all "liar" on me.  You Conservatives dish it out and then go haywire when somebody returns the favor.  At least now you understand I didn't lie about these results, or at least you didn't note one.

Anyway, readers can decide whether Obama could have halted the San Bernardino shooter or if Bush could have refused to sign the withdrawal agreement and halted our withdrawal.  IOW, they can go over and reflect on our lists as they see fit.  You won't see a group of Democrats come along and whine "liar, liar, liar".  Some of you must repeat that word in your sleep.
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Originally Posted by pabar61
What Obama couldn't do:

Stop the rise of ISIS.
Stop the war in either Iran or Afghanistan.
Close GITMO.
Stop the ascendency of Russia.
Stop Russia from annexing Crimea.
Stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
Stop Iran from taking hostages.
Stop Iran from negotiating the release of hostages for ransom payments.
Stop Brexit.
Halt the war in Syria.
Prevent the mass influx of immigrants to Europe.
Stop the Boston bombers.
Stop the Orlando shooter.
Stop the San Bernardino shooter.
Prevent a race war.
Stop the flood of illegal immigrants.
Get immigration reform done.
Reform the tax code.
Halt the rise of people on welfare.
Halt the rise of people on disability.
Help the black community in any way.
Stop the devastation of mass abortions.
Grow the economy by more than 3%.
Get UE6 levels back to pre-recession levels.
Stop healthcare premiums from rising as promised.
Allow people to keep their doctors as promised.
Allow people time to read pending legislation as promised.

There's more but that's all I could come up with off the top of my head.


- improve race relations
- grow the economy more than 2.5%
- bring down the cost of healthcare
- fix social security
- improve infrastructure
- force his compact urban development Portland Land Use model on the rest of the country
- prevent his wife from sneaking off to Target and being racially discriminated against by a short lady reaching for stuff on a tall shelf
- prevent his daughter from breaking the law on camera by using illegal drugs
- conquer that damn golf course at Camp David
- apologize enough to the Muslim world on behalf of America
- suggest a new tailor to HRC beyond the one who's other line of business is canvas circus tents
- find his way to the Men's Dept at the jeans store
- look like he's not scared witless while holding a shotgun
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I guess you guys needed two threads to complain about Obama and Democrats.  I suppose one has to cover up a Democrat perspective any way they can.  [wink]
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I guess you guys needed two threads to complain about Obama and Democrats.  I suppose one has to cover up a Democrat perspective any way they can.  [wink]


You started it.  All your complaints about Bush are things you've repeated before and are the standard Democratic talking points.  There's nothing new or interesting in anything you said.
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I guess you guys needed two threads to complain about Obama and Democrats.  I suppose one has to cover up a Democrat perspective any way they can.  [wink]


Image result for quit complaining meme
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pabar - Everything both sides have said has been repeated over and over.  How about we just have one side speak and just cover it in all the threads?  Nah, you can't keep my opinion away.  Cover it up, call it lies, maybe.  But I'll still break through.
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I'll break through, here I come, you ready for me, I'm coming, you just hold on, you're gonna get a big surprise, I mean it this time, here I come, I'm serious, ok, here I come.
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Why did some democrat goons set fire to a black church and write 'Vote Trump' on the side of it? They do the same shenanigans election after election. You'd think with all the email revelations about how criminal the dnc operates, they would be craftier than a church burning obviously designed to rile people up against trump lol.
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Wile E. Coyote is the official spokesperson for the Democratic Party.
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EG - I didn't post that story earlier because you never know these days what some people will do for political reasons.  You could be right.  I suggested the same possibility with somebody in the IRS trying to make Obama look bad.  Some here think folks aren't smart enough to dream up such tactics.

I told my wife a few weeks ago I wish an event like you suggest here would actually happen and the culprits caught.  Not a church burning but a case where paid insiders do wrong to make the Party they seem to represent look bad.  Once the voters understand no story can be 100% assumed to be as it appears, then much of this never-ending claims of wrong-doing may eventually come to an end.  Wishful thinking I suppose.
TheNarrator

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Well, one campaign has been caught doing it this year, and one hasn't.

But keep spinning that IRS yarn, pretty good for a Wednesday for you.
keepinitreal

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Oh dewy, you broke through again.
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It did not happen this year.  smh

A Democrat did not infiltrate a GOP group and then do wrong-doing in hopes it would make the GOP look bad.  At least not one that is known.  Same thing with vice versa.
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It did not happen this year.  smh

A Democrat did not infiltrate a GOP group and then do wrong-doing in hopes it would make the GOP look bad.  At least not one that is known.  Same thing with vice versa.


Not true - it's on tape how the Democrats sent their thugs to Trump rallies to stir up trouble.
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Not true - it's on tape how the Democrats sent their thugs to Trump rallies to stir up trouble.


#schooledagain

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#schooledagain


hahahaha no kidding. But he did the 'smh'. That usually sells it for him.

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pabar - First off we don't even know if that's true.  I said "known".  In any case, that's not the deceitful shenanigans I'm talking about.  If there were these thugs, they weren't trying to embarrass the Trump campaign.  They were just cashing a check.

Imagine a smart Republican inside the State Department who illegally downloads classified info off a secure server and then emails it to Hillary knowing she could potentially put Hillary in legal jeopardy.  Or a Republican inside the IRS who makes a decision knowing it will embarrass President Obama.  Heck, maybe a Republican joins BLM, burns down a building, knowing full well it will go a long way in harming the organization.  Once we catch this kind of obvious insider, folks like you won't assume automatic guilt all the time.  JMHO

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We probably have a rich Republican paying Wikileaks for the leaks but we just don't have a video.  In any event, this wasn't the type insider deceit I was talking about.
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