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EarlyGrayce

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lol Good lord I think this was asked and answered last year, but maybe that was just in my own head. dewey, the answer is three fold-1-I've gotten to know you better, and your flaws have been revealed to me; and 2-the substance of your posts has devolved into one-dimensional talking points; 3-your unique inability to ever sincerely debate an issue from any sort of objective position, coupled with your increasingly disingenuous and condescending tone. It took a while for those things to be analyzed by me, since, let's face it, you aren't that smart or interesting to me, and I haven't spent any time pondering your motivations. Hope that helps buddy. 


He said he was interested, you spelled it out for him in numerical style and he still will not accept your answer.  Durden warned you that such would happen.  dewy recycles everything, that's why I dredge as I do.  He is the most unoriginal member of the forum and he usually waits until he has watched and re-watched a few episodes of Bill Maher before he will appear after one of his sabbaticals.   
 
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Wow, post after post with many unrelated to the topic.  Just intended to disrupt the view of another and utilizing yet another thread for mocking and personal attacks.  I'll be locking the next post I make here.

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You asked a question, I answered it, you got more than you bargained for, KIR pointed out the obvious, you get mad. So Lock it up then. Why do you feel the need to 'warn' us lol that's always a weak move.

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Lets see what the Sunday Shows are about. 30 minutes to an hour won't even come close to covering everything Trump has done over the past few days, and the weeks not even over..


I record them all, maybe I'll even actually watch them this week

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He is completely trolling them.  When thousands march in protest of him, he pushes back with alternative facts and whips up the media so they ignore the marches.  He then goes and does what he does at a very hallowed monument at the CIA, and again, no one is really paying attention to what he is doing.  Now, he is back on the illegal votes - all the while he is issuing executive order after executive order, and the media is ignoring it, along with the tax return story.

Our resident Dem is completely chummed, as is the MSM.  I bet they are rolling at 1600 right now - dance puppets, dance.


Good points. I'd even forgotten about the tax return story in all of the popular-vote dustup lol.  And Woody is right, the Sunday show morons are gonna finally tally up the democrat beatdown trump laid out this week via executive order, look around surprised and confused, and say 'what happened'? Then they'll spend 20 minutes talking about how trump's hats are made overseas somewhere haha.
 

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Ohhhhhh, he'll be locking thread. So scawry
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You asked a question, I answered it, you got more than you bargained for, KIR pointed out the obvious, you get mad. So Lock it up then. Why do you feel the need to 'warn' us lol that's always a weak move.

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Back in the the 70's we would call someone like that "Trippy"

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I like having this perspective thread run along side the other perspecitive thread.  That way when dew's fee's fee' get twisted up we can just reply to him. 

I think dew underestimate the amount of fun the right has solving problems.  Does not matter how many dufus fires they have, the right will show up again and again and help put them out. 
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Well, the adults usually get stuck cleaning up the mess the kids made while having their wild house party.
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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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This smart young man shuts up anti-Trump protesters.  Only took 4 words.  

This was at the UW, same Friday night where my ex-coworker was shot. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPqEw1qgo8z/

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Good points. I'd even forgotten about the tax return story in all of the popular-vote dustup lol.  And Woody is right, the Sunday show morons are gonna finally tally up the democrat beatdown trump laid out this week via executive order, look around surprised and confused, and say 'what happened'? Then they'll spend 20 minutes talking about how trump's hats are made overseas somewhere haha.

I now think Lindsay Graham and Paul Ryan are in on it.  Watch this report from CBS: 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sean-spicer-defends-trumps-unverified-voter-fraud-claims/

See how when they finally got around to talk about issues, they went short on everything and basically agreed with Trump.  But on the dog whistles they are full on outrage, unable to let any of it go. 
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I now think Lindsay Graham and Paul Ryan are in on it.  Watch this report from CBS: 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sean-spicer-defends-trumps-unverified-voter-fraud-claims/

See how when they finally got around to talk about issues, they went short on everything and basically agreed with Trump.  But on the dog whistles they are full on outrage, unable to let any of it go. 


Hard for the establishment types to buy in quite yet. Maybe they will figure it out, maybe not. Not sure it matters, because the trump train is gaining inertia as it rolls down the tracks.

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It's been a full day of conversation discussing what should be considered or labeled a falsehood, an alternative fact, or a lie.  Not going to be easy for those covering this Administration the next four years.

When President Obama said you can keep your doctor and you can keep your policy, the Right, and some on the Left, had no problem using the "lie" word, despite the fact the President clearly qualified his statement with the press.  I've shared his explanation here many times.  It's on the record.  He explained that when he says that phrase, he's referring to the fact Americans will not have to come join the Obamacare exchange, as if it were some kind of mandatory Government HMO requiring everyone to join and forced to use certain predetermined Doctors, but rather they could instead continue to buy insurance from their private market sources and continue to see the doctor they preferred.  In my opinion, it wasn't difficult to understand at all.  The Obamacare exchange was only meant for the poor who needed help buying health insurance.  The rest of us would continue in the private market and stay with our Doctor as we always did.

But even if you refuse to accept Obama's explanation, it still isn't a lie.  Wherever folks were buying their insurance, they could have still purchased a policy from their insurer if they wanted.  Whoever their Doctor was at the time, nobody stopped them from continuing to see him/her.  Maybe the cost would have been different, maybe much higher, but the option to remain with your doctor was still there.  Seeing the same Doctor was never taken away from anyone by the Government and no doctor will stop seeing you if you're willing to pay.

I've always thought it was a huge stretch to label Obama's statement a lie.  Eventually, I did criticize him for failing to realize the campaign phrase was being misunderstood by some and, because of this, was giving his opposition a club to beat him with.  In any event, it stuck with the Right as being a lie, and they turned it against him in a big way.  That said, I think each of the following Trump statements represent far worse examples of dishonesty that will likely go mostly ignored by this same Right:

1)  I sent investigators to Hawaii to check out Obama birth certificate.
2)  I was against the war in Iraq from the beginning.
3)  US elections are rigged.
4)  Millions of undocumented voted in our election.
5)  Hillary is too ill to serve.
6)  Hillary is a criminal.  

I think all these remain untrue today.


Lying liars surely gonna lie

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This smart young man shuts up anti-Trump protesters.  Only took 4 words.  

This was at the UW, same Friday night where my ex-coworker was shot. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPqEw1qgo8z/



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Wow, it couldn't be more obvious that this forum is chock full of southerners who make a lot of zany comments. Anybody who can't see Trump for what he is--a raging narcissist with absolutely no regard for the truth, and a man who knows NOTHING about public policy, well, you are simply blinded by your weird southern/rural viewpoints. Trying to compare Trump and his pathological lying to Obama, because Obama made one misstatement about the Affordable Care Act, is comical. I mean, get real, people: Obama and Trump could not be more different--which I'm sure is why you like Trump, because he's a bizarre, dishonest, dangerous blowhard with authoritarian tendencies.

Your grip on reality is a loose as Trump's. The election is nearly two months past--and yet our president is STILL lying about illegal voting because his bizarre ego can't deal with the reality that he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million. Trump isn't trolling anybody with his lying--this is who he is. Acknowledge it and stop acting like Trump. His pathological dishonesty is a massive issue; a president who lies constantly is a massive issue, because it means he can't be trusted, which is a given in the case of Trump. Trump has been lying for his entire adult life, as anyone familiar with him knows. He is a very strange man--a 14-year-old bully in the body of a nearly 71 year old man. He doesn't read--but then you probably don't read either. He likes to watch TV and tweet--our new president! That comes from some of his aides, along with the guy who wrote one of Trump's BS books years ago. He has no attention span. One of you posited the idea that Trump is trolling the media while he signs executive orders to which the media is not paying attention. Don't be ridiculous. The media is covering everything he says and does, as they do every president.

Trump doesn't like the media because he doesn't like being called out on his lies or his unethical behavior, and because he has a sociopathic need to win every moment, and when he doesn't, he lashes out aggressively at his accusers and ratchets up his lying another notch. Look at one he did during the campaign when a beauty pageant winner revealed, or acknowledged (I think the incident was pretty well known), that Trump had called her fat multiple times in subsequent weeks. He spent DAYS, nearly a week, sending out angry tweets about the woman, attacking her. It was crazy, bizarre. He is a disturbed and disturbing man. He's still trying to tell everybody, aggressively, that he didn't publicly mock a disabled person when of course he did--it's on videotape and plain to see. Trump twists the truth every day, many times a day, often, and that is a dangerous thing for all Americans--including red-staters. You ought to start paying serious attention to GOP policies and how they affect you  and all other Americans. History will show the GOP to be on the wrong side of just about every major issue.


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Kazoo, did you vote illegally?
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southerners -> ego-> illegals voting -> bizarre > trolling the media -> sociopath -> super extra salty post

You keep laying out the salty tears like this, i am going to OD.  I just cannot stop enjoying them. 
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kazoo, what do you know about dewy's blue balls?  Sorry typo, I meant, what do you know about dewy's blue wall?
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Hard for the establishment types to buy in quite yet. Maybe they will figure it out, maybe not. Not sure it matters, because the trump train is gaining inertia as it rolls down the tracks.

I am not so sure.  If Graham and Ryan are anything they are political opportunists.  If you watch that CBS report closely.  You will see them spend like 6 minutes on chasing dog whistles Trump has given them.  Then they quickly flash to Graham and Ryan, chopping down their speeches to support CBS chasing dog whistle narrative.  Wasting another 2 or 3 minutes.  

Then finally a frantic turn to all the policy changes that Trump enacted that day.  Yesterday had a ton of major policy changes.  Each one CBS would have spent hours running into the ground.  But they gave them all only 2-3 minutes, and for the most part it seemed like the were ok with them all. 

It keeps like this we are going to have so much fun for the next 8 years.  I doubt kazoo and Dew have the energy to hang around for it.  We might have to come up with a Trump Wins Again drinking game. 
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That pretty well describes Obama, actually.

Why do you hate southerners so much?  Did someone say y'all one time too many in your presence?  Offer you some grits?

What's the deal?


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....he's a bizarre, dishonest, dangerous blowhard with authoritarian tendencies.

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Oh, BTW, CNN invited Trump to investigate the illegal aliens voting in California.  Thanks for the invitation. 

Media is constantly falling for it.  Member when he got the media to cover 45 minutes of Veterans praising Trump, then stepped up to the mic and said "Obama was born here" and walked off.  The face of those guys on CNN at that exact moment was precious beyond belief.

Anyone not think that something has changed?


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Hahahaha huffpo, literally slaying me.  No way I can take 8 years of this.  They actually said it. 

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That pretty well describes Obama, actually.

Why do you hate southerners so much?  Did someone say y'all one time too many in your presence?  Offer you some grits?

What's the deal?




This in essence is what has caused the downfall of the democratic party and shows the hubris of the Millennial generation.  A vote from a southerner or someone from a rural area counts just as much, if not more, than a vote from someone in a large metropolitan area.  One could only guess the FF did this on purpose to ensure all of the country would be represented in national elections.  The House is the only body that is close to evenly divided by population.
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Oh, BTW, CNN invited Trump to investigate the illegal aliens voting in California.  Thanks for the invitation. 

Media is constantly falling for it.  Member when he got the media to cover 45 minutes of Veterans praising Trump, then stepped up to the mic and said "Obama was born here" and walked off.  The face of those guys on CNN at that exact moment was precious beyond belief.

Anyone not think that something has changed?




kazoo said that the press was keeping up with the goings on

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The media ignored the marches? That sounds like something Trump would say. They marches were extensively covered for 48 hours. Yea, the media will continue to report on all of Trump's lies and fantasies. You can choose to ignore and lamely try to rationalize his irrational behavior, because that's what conservatives do; you can pretend that a narcissistic crazy man who can't accept reality (the fact that he lost the popular vote, by a significant amount) and who likes to, er, act presidential by watching TV and sending out weird, angry tweets all day is an improvement over our previous president--and then you'd be acting like Trump. But that's kind of what blue staters expect from red staters. Trump is a man with no integrity and no ethics--you ought to acknowledge it. You can pretend that not releasing his tax returns is no big deal--and yet every modern president as done so and Trump's refusal to do so is a strong indication that he has something to hide. You can pretend that ignoring conflict of interest laws related to the presidency is no big deal, but in fact it is. You can pretend he's not a thorough dishonest sleaze in the face of a boatload of concrete evidence that he is. He's being sued by another contractor that claims it was underpaid by a couple of million dollars for its work on his D.C. hotel. I suppose Trump voters have to rationalize their decision to support him. Southerners ought to take a hard look at the policies espoused by the GOP, a party that is DEEP in the pocket of big business, and deep into propaganda these days. Years of hysterical raving about the horrible Affordable Care Act--a program originated by a conservative think tank and that 20 million people signed up for. Yea, it must be terrible. And the Republicans are going to fix it--except that after six years they still don't know how. What they will do is something different that will mean less insurance for more money--that we can all count on--in keeping with the values of the Republican party.

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The media ignored the marches? That sounds like something Trump would say. They marches were extensively covered for 48 hours. Yea, the media will continue to report on all of Trump's lies and fantasies. You can choose to ignore and lamely try to rationalize his irrational behavior, because that's what conservatives do; you can pretend that a narcissistic crazy man who can't accept reality (the fact that he lost the popular vote, by a significant amount) and who likes to, er, act presidential by watching TV and sending out weird, angry tweets all day is an improvement over our previous president--and then you'd be acting like Trump. But that's kind of what blue staters expect from red staters. Trump is a man with no integrity and no ethics--you ought to acknowledge it. You can pretend that not releasing his tax returns is no big deal--and yet every modern president as done so and Trump's refusal to do so is a strong indication that he has something to hide. You can pretend that ignoring conflict of interest laws related to the presidency is no big deal, but in fact it is. You can pretend he's not a thorough dishonest sleaze in the face of a boatload of concrete evidence that he is. He's being sued by another contractor that claims it was underpaid by a couple of million dollars for its work on his D.C. hotel. I suppose Trump voters have to rationalize their decision to support him. Southerners ought to take a hard look at the policies espoused by the GOP, a party that is DEEP in the pocket of big business, and deep into propaganda these days. Years of hysterical raving about the horrible Affordable Care Act--a program originated by a conservative think tank and that 20 million people signed up for. Yea, it must be terrible. And the Republicans are going to fix it--except that after six years they still don't know how. What they will do is something different that will mean less insurance for more money--that we can all count on--in keeping with the values of the Republican party.


He lost the popular vote by around 2%, that is not a significant amount.  It would help to do your own research instead of just spitting out talking points.

You "blue staters" can also expect for us "red staters" to be running the country for the foreseeable future.
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again with southerners.  I feel like i'm back in 1860.
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The media ignored the marches? That sounds like something Trump would say. They marches were extensively covered for 48 hours. Yea, the media will continue to report on all of Trump's lies and fantasies. You can choose to ignore and lamely try to rationalize his irrational behavior, because that's what conservatives do; you can pretend that a narcissistic crazy man who can't accept reality (the fact that he lost the popular vote, by a significant amount) and who likes to, er, act presidential by watching TV and sending out weird, angry tweets all day is an improvement over our previous president--and then you'd be acting like Trump. But that's kind of what blue staters expect from red staters. Trump is a man with no integrity and no ethics--you ought to acknowledge it. You can pretend that not releasing his tax returns is no big deal--and yet every modern president as done so and Trump's refusal to do so is a strong indication that he has something to hide. You can pretend that ignoring conflict of interest laws related to the presidency is no big deal, but in fact it is. You can pretend he's not a thorough dishonest sleaze in the face of a boatload of concrete evidence that he is. He's being sued by another contractor that claims it was underpaid by a couple of million dollars for its work on his D.C. hotel. I suppose Trump voters have to rationalize their decision to support him. Southerners ought to take a hard look at the policies espoused by the GOP, a party that is DEEP in the pocket of big business, and deep into propaganda these days. Years of hysterical raving about the horrible Affordable Care Act--a program originated by a conservative think tank and that 20 million people signed up for. Yea, it must be terrible. And the Republicans are going to fix it--except that after six years they still don't know how. What they will do is something different that will mean less insurance for more money--that we can all count on--in keeping with the values of the Republican party.




You should in all reality be having a "lightbulb" moment after that rant. You just shined a bright light on how horrible of a candidate clinton was to loose to such an ogre!



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What they will do is something different that will mean less insurance for more money--that we can all count on--



Don't know about you, but that has been my experience since the passing of the ACA. Just as predicted by all the republicans that voted against it.



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