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Will_I_Wynn

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TheNarrator, a Republican, along with millions of other Republicans, is for border security and against a wall. Democrats agree. At some point you must stop misleading readers into believing being against a wall equals being against border security. It’s a huge example of fake news.


Hopefully the Right will come to realize many people want a secure border but no wall.

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Exactly right Coach. They have no agenda other than Orange Man Bad


I don't know if you saw that even the guy who was in charge of the border under Obama said that Trump was right and that walls work.  The left doesn't want a wall because they want these illegals entering this country.


Here is a link from Newsweek no less on this guy pushing for a wall!

https://www.newsweek.com/obama-border-patrol-chief-begs-trump-stay-course-border-wall-1285825

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Fake news again. We have a Republican and several Democrats here who don’t want a wall and don’t want illegals coming in. You know what they say when one says something they know not to be true? TheNarrator and I can both tell you firsthand you are wrong when you say those against a wall favor illegals coming in.

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The Pelosi Shutdown continues.  The Democrats have, today, rejected the exact bill that they once pushed themselves.  This is not about anything other than denying Trump the ability to say that he fulfilled another campaign promise.  
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Spending money on a wall is the wrong solution. How about explaining why Republicans wouldn’t support the gang of eight immigration bill passed a few years ago. Tell them why it was OK for Republicans to be against a solution but wrong for Democrats to oppose this solution. Explain your double-standard.


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The Pelosi Shutdown continues.  The Democrats have, today, rejected the exact bill that they once pushed themselves.  This is not about anything other than denying Trump the ability to say that he fulfilled another campaign promise.  




Of course it is. Same reason the democrat party tried to ruin Justice Kavanaugh with shameless lies. Anything to salvage whatever is left of their crypt-keeper grip on power. 

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Of course it is. Same reason the democrat party tried to ruin Justice Kavanaugh with shameless lies. Anything to salvage whatever is left of their crypt-keeper grip on power. 

They set everything on this path when they put Pelosi in charge.  You knew her leadership skills are suspect, at best. 

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The Native American has claimed to be a Marine Vietnam Combat veteran.  Turns out this be overstating his service.  

He still served, so much kudos to him.  

Hopefully we eventually get specifics one way or the other on this claim.
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The Pelosi Shutdown continues.  The Democrats have, today, rejected the exact bill that they once pushed themselves.  This is not about anything other than denying Trump the ability to say that he fulfilled another campaign promise.  


Then when the GOP House refused to even vote on the gang of eight bill, it wasn't anything but denying our first black President his immigration fix.  The things the Right will make up just because Democrats don't want to waste more money on a wall. 




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The Pelosi Shutdown continues.  The Democrats have, today, rejected the exact bill that they once pushed themselves.  This is not about anything other than denying Trump the ability to say that he fulfilled another campaign promise.  

Why reject a bill that has passed in the past?   The country wants border security.  It is just raw nonsense to shut down the government to stop a well reasoned border security bill.

Orange Man Bad is locking up Trump for 2020, quite easily.  Trump is not usually one to over estimate is leverage in a position.   But he has already started adding #2020TakeBackTheHouse to his tweets.  Almost signaling that he can think beyond the broad reelection campaign, and target how we can get the house back in order so we can get some of these important issues taken care of for the country.  

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If Democrats cave and give money for a wall so President Trump will reopen the Government, this President will do this same thing again down the road.  Next time he might force Democrats to repeal Obamacare.  Even those Democrats willing to support a wall should refrain from voting before the Government is reopened. 
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Coach - I have no idea why millions of democrats have changed their opinion on barrier funding.
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Coach - I have no idea why millions of democrats have changed their opinion on barrier funding.


There are multiple reasons and I'll explain them again.  Maybe my posts are being overlooked.

1)  Like TheNarrator, who once favored barriers and now doesn't, they see barriers have not stopped illegal immigrants from coming to the US.  They have decided it's time to spend the money in a more effective way.

2)  The President promised the money would come from Mexico so those who may have once supported barriers are holding the President to his word.

3)  The President has turned a wall into a symbol against Hispanics and against asylum seekers.  Supporting a wall now will be defined as supporting this symbolism and Democrats want no part in being connected to any group that may be considered anti-Hispanic.

4)  Barriers were changed to "a wall from sea to shining sea" by President Trump.  Democrats never supported such a massive wall.  To fund a barrier now is to appear to be someone who supports a massive wall.  The President pushed these Democrats into a corner and changed what funding for barriers meant.  He is his own worst enemy on this issue.

5)  President Trump will falsely claim any Democrat support for fencing is support for the massive wall he campaigned on.  He will say he fulfilled a promise and Democrats want no part of that false claim.

6)  Supporting a wall before the Government is reopened is inviting more shutdowns in the future.  Give in to ransom and expect to be held hostage again.

7)  It is true there are some Democrats who wouldn't support legislation put forward by this President even if he didn't shut down the Government.  We have those partisans on both sides.

I think TheNarrator has a very good idea why Democrats don't support fencing and he's just being coy.  He once supported fencing and now does not support a wall.  Ask him to explain his reasoning and you'll have a better idea as to what happened over the years.

Edit:  A subsequent post reminded me there are those who vote against Trump no matter what.  Therefore I added number 7 as another reason.



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Why reject a bill that has passed in the past?   The country wants border security.  It is just raw nonsense to shut down the government to stop a well reasoned border security bill.

Orange Man Bad is locking up Trump for 2020, quite easily.  Trump is not usually one to over estimate is leverage in a position.   But he has already started adding #2020TakeBackTheHouse to his tweets.  Almost signaling that he can think beyond the broad reelection campaign, and target how we can get the house back in order so we can get some of these important issues taken care of for the country.  



Orange Man Bad. That's the bottom line.

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Orange Man Bad. That's the bottom line.

That is Dumb and EMO.  Not going to do well at the voting booth.  

Even the new to Misc Freshman parents are going to fall for that. 

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When President Trump told his supporters he was going to be happy at shutting down the Government over this wall issue, and owning it, his supporters faithfully believed him.  Later, when Trump changed his mind and told these same supporters to no longer believe that he shut down the Government, they complied and chose to believe that as well.  I don't care what your politics might be, that's some amazing persuasion over followers.



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That is Dumb and EMO.  Not going to do well at the voting booth.  

Even the new to Misc Freshman parents are going to fall for that. 

The Freshman parents aren't given enough credit for their intelligence by posters here. Kind of like they way libs think of minorities.
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Orange Man Bad. That's the bottom line.

Copy pasta Orange Man Bad 100 times.

How do they not see that Trump said wall in his campaign speech, so therefore now way we can have a wall, or a fence or a barrier, as just more Orange Man Bad?

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OK, let me see if I have the math correct. We have 3.7-3.9% unemployment, and that adds up to around 6 million Americans looking for a job. Democrats are shutting down the government over a few hundred miles of border fence, and 5 billion dollars to stop the influx of illegal aliens stealing American's jobs. Why are we supposed to be wringing our hands in angst and losing sleep because 800K non essential government employees with really nice taxpayer paid HC insurance are enjoying a taxpayer funded vacation this winter? They just joined the ranks of 6 million unemployed Americans that have no guarantee of any back pay or subsidized winter vacation. Should we import a bunch of HB1 visa holders from India to replace them all at a lessor cost? That's what corporate America does to cut costs. It doesn't matter if it's the US government, or a Microsoft customer support line. Now you will feel at home deciphering the dialect of a randomly outsourced Federal Government support line if they even bother to answer the phone. The IRS no longer answers phone calls. If you don't believe me, just call the IRS. They don't take phone calls, period. They conduct business through the USPS, and employee attorneys with Federal subpoena powers. I call Bill Smith and ask for an official review that was denied the Saints.
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Coach - I have no idea why millions of democrats have changed their opinion on barrier funding.


It is obvious and it is the Presidential Election of 2020.  I saw a Missouri Representative say yesterday that this is ridiculous and that the Democrats had pushed for this extension that Trump is now offering for "quite some time."  He suggested that if "cooler heads prevailed" that a compromise might be made to turn that 3 years into 5 years.  However, he said that can't happen if no one is talking.  There you go. 

Pelosi now owns this.  This is the Pelosi Shutdown pure and simple.  

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Here is the Democratic Party's position on the wall:

Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad,

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The government shutdown has now already wasted more money than the wall would have cost.   

There is no explaining that away, unless you are just against border security.

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The last food stamp payment went out yesterday.  The real clock is ticking hard now.   Let's see if Pelosi is willing to starve kids because Orange Man Bad.
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Democrats passed a bill to fully fund food stamps while Trump keeps Government shut down until he successfully forces Congress to give him $5B. Hopefully the President will sign the food stamp funding and doesn’t cause more pain. Please.
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Here is the Democratic Party's position on the wall:

Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man


Millions of dems switched their position on the wall the minute President Trump started campaigning for it.  Many on the left and those in here will say that is shear coincidence, but they are simply playing politics with peoples jobs and our border security.
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The last food stamp payment went out yesterday.  The real clock is ticking hard now.   Let's see if Pelosi is willing to starve kids because Orange Man Bad.

Take away the ebt and you will really see some rioting. Sure fire way to get them off the couch
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The Dems have already wasted more than $5B with their shutdown.  Why not invest that in a barrier instead of pissing it away?
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Millions of dems switched their position on the wall the minute President Trump started campaigning for it.


TheNarrator - Like you, Democrats never favored a wall.  There was no change in our position.  Our position on the wall is just like yours and millions of other Republicans.  They include the following reasons:



1)  Like TheNarrator, who once favored barriers and now doesn't, they see barriers have not stopped illegal immigrants from coming to the US.  They have decided it's time to spend the money in a more effective way.

2)  The President promised the money would come from Mexico so those who may have once supported barriers are holding the President to his word.

3)  The President has turned a wall into a symbol against Hispanics and against asylum seekers.  Supporting a wall now will be defined as supporting this symbolism and Democrats want no part in being connected to any group that may be considered anti-Hispanic.

4)  Barriers were changed to "a wall from sea to shining sea" by President Trump.  Democrats never supported such a massive wall.  To fund a barrier now is to appear to be someone who supports a massive wall.  The President pushed these Democrats into a corner and changed what funding for barriers meant.  He is his own worst enemy on this issue.

5)  President Trump will falsely claim any Democrat support for fencing is support for the massive wall he campaigned on.  He will say he fulfilled a promise and Democrats want no part of that false claim.

6)  Supporting a wall before the Government is reopened is inviting more shutdowns in the future.  Give in to ransom and expect to be held hostage again.

7)  It is true there are some Democrats who wouldn't support legislation put forward by this President even if he didn't shut down the Government.  We have those partisans on both sides.

I think TheNarrator has a very good idea why Democrats don't support fencing and he's just being coy.  He once supported fencing and now does not support a wall.  Ask him to explain his reasoning and you'll have a better idea as to what happened over the years.

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The Dems have already wasted more than $5B with their shutdown.  Why not invest that in a barrier instead of pissing it away?


Especially when 10's of millions of dems mysteriously change their opinion on a border barrier right about the time of the decent down the escalator.  While some dems have always been against a wall, almost half supported a barrier.

Their changing was purely political.
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TN - Tell everyone why you don’t support a wall. Don’t criticize others for not supporting a wall when you don’t either. That’s downright odd.

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