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CoachB25

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With President Trump's compromise clearly outlined to the American People, any further delay by the Democrats in striking a deal makes this shutdown the shutdown of the Democrats.  It is that simple!
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Open the Government and then negotiate. Right now it’s Trump saying give me wall money or you can’t have your hostages back. Imagine Obama saying allow me to mandate 50 million to buy health insurance and then I’ll open up Government. Would you ever agree to that? I didn’t think so.



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With President Trump's compromise clearly outlined to the American People, any further delay by the Democrats in striking a deal makes this shutdown the shutdown of the Democrats.  It is that simple!


Yessir. Of course, the lying democrat party will try to, once again, get the GOP to agree to do what the dems want, with the promise that, “after you do what we want, we pinky ring swear we will negotiate border security.” The dems are proven liars and deal breakers, they’re not to be trusted.

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U.S. House Speaker rejected President Trump’s proposal on Twitter at 4 P.M. ET, President Trump announced the proposal at 4:05 P.M. ET. Pelosi rejected a proposal which was not proposed yet.
No, it’s not just outright obstruction because Orange Man Bad

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Not quite. It’s saying no to negotiating while being held hostage. The GOP should learn to win with votes, not by holding the Government hostage.

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Once again, border agents will apprehend those who walk across open areas of our border. No need spending billions to stop the few immigrants the agents can just pick up. Instead we need to invest and catch those crossing at our ports of entry.

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U.S. House Speaker rejected President Trump’s proposal on Twitter at 4 P.M. ET, President Trump announced the proposal at 4:05 P.M. ET. Pelosi rejected a proposal which was not proposed yet.
No, it’s not just outright obstruction because Orange Man Bad

She must be new to this 'leadership' thing.  

She, and the dems, for sure should know that Americans want border security at 90% and they get pissed at people that shutdown their government.  They should of thought this threw more.

No way you can now justify.  She has fallen in an easy logic trap, she should have been smart enough to think it threw.  

Why would you shut the government down to stop a border security project?

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Now you’re back to 90%. That must include a lot of Democrats.



Edit: Pelosi passed several bills to fund and keep the Government open. One doesn’t do that if they want it shut down.

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She must be new to this 'leadership' thing.  

She, and the dems, for sure should know that Americans want border security at 90% and they get pissed at people that shutdown their government.  They should of thought this threw more.

No way you can now justify.  She has fallen in an easy logic trap, she should have been smart enough to think it threw.  

Why would you shut the government down to stop a border security project?



She is in over her alcoholic head. Probably not even clear on what is happening when. The dems being led by Barfly.

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She is in over her alcoholic head. Probably not even clear on what is happening when. The dems being led by Barfly.

In 2 weeks EBT shuts off.  Going to be a true sh1t storm for Nancy then.   I bet it eats into her schedule.  She may not even make happy hour one day.  Things will get to hopping if that happens.

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In 2 weeks EBT shuts off.  Going to be a true sh1t storm for Nancy then.   I bet it eats into her schedule.  She may not even make happy hour one day.  Things will get to hopping if that happens.



Cut off that EBT, there will be less sh1tting on the sidewalks of SF. Her constituents may see the silver lining.

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The liberals are so predictable.  They don't care about DACA!  They know that if they give in, Trump will use building the wall for his next campaign.  Therefore, the Democrats are selling out all of these people already here.  They are responsible for setting the climate for all of the inhumanities that are going on with these caravans but, then again, they only care about being anti Trump.  I am sure that this will now become more apparent.  I hope Trump goes on a Twitter rant now pointing out the obvious.  
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I just saw some information on the Democrats and what they were pushing for when Trump was sworn in.  After watching this, it is clear that this is all about politics and not about anything else.  This is the Pelosi shutdown.  She now owns it.  
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I hope Trump goes on a Twitter rant now pointing out the obvious.  


Yeah, that's what we need...a POTUS going on a twitter rant.  It's almost as if some on the Right have dismissed any and all standards as it relates to a US President.

Btw, the House has passed, and will pass again this upcoming week, legislation to fund and open the Government.  The House is doing its best to counter this hostage crisis initiated by President Trump.  If they sacrifice their vote as ransom, then next month the President will do this again and force them to sacrifice their vote again on the next issue he wants to become law.  This is not how legislation is supposed to be passed.  As much as Democrats wanted to pass the gang of eight immigration reform bill, I'm glad they didn't shut down Government in order to force the Republicans to vote on and pass their bill. 





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I just saw some information on the Democrats and what they were pushing for when Trump was sworn in.  After watching this, it is clear that this is all about politics and not about anything else.  This is the Pelosi shutdown.  She now owns it.  



Of course. Watching any of their shills parrot "gang of eight" makes it comically obvious they are up to their same old tricks, but no one is falling for them anymore. Dems are getting vewy angwy.

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Yeah, that's what we need...a POTUS going on a twitter rant.  It's almost as if some on the Right have dismissed any and all standards as it relates to a US President.

Btw, the House has passed, and will pass again this upcoming week, legislation to fund and open the Government.  The House is doing its best to counter this hostage crisis initiated by President Trump.  If they sacrifice their vote as ransom, then next month the President will do this again and force them to sacrifice their vote again on the next issue he wants to become law.  This is not how legislation is supposed to be passed.  As much as Democrats wanted to pass the gang of eight immigration reform bill, I'm glad they didn't shut down Government in order to force the Republicans to vote on and pass their bill. 



I would suggest readers ask any Republican they know this question.  Why didn't Democrats shut down the Government until Republicans agreed to vote for the gang of eight immigration bill?  There answer should be because legislation is not passed by using ransom of Government services.

If you can't remember the gang of eight immigration bill, then plug in the "Medicare for all" bill into your question.  The particular bill is not the point as the question remains the same.  Why must a Government be shut down until the opposition agrees to vote in favor of your legislation?  The answer is it doesn't have to be shut down but this Administration is holding us all ransom to get their way.  It's shameful.

Edit:  We'll ask here too but I can almost guarantee you nobody on the Right will answer.




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234 miles of new fence in locations the border patrol deems critical.  Some repairs.  Replace some old and worn out fencing.  And add proper modern fence sensors.   It is all 100% common sense border security, which the American people want at 90% now. 

Yet the left shut the government down to stop because they are throwing fits about Orange Man Bad.  I think we are building a 2020 landslide for Trump as we speak.

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I would suggest readers ask any Republican they know this question.  Why didn't Democrats shut down the Government until Republicans agreed to vote for the gang of eight immigration bill?  There answer should be because legislation is not passed by using ransom of Government services.

If you can't remember the gang of eight immigration bill, then plug in the "Medicare for all" bill into your question.  The particular bill is not the point as the question remains the same.  Why must a Government be shut down until the opposition agrees to vote in favor of your legislation?  The answer is it doesn't have to be shut down but this Administration is holding us all ransom to get their way.  It's shameful.

Edit:  We'll ask here too but I can almost guarantee you nobody on the Right will answer.





We'll ask if anyone in this forum can explain why we now shut down Governments to force yes votes but I'm not sure we'll get a response.

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234 miles of new fence in locations the border patrol deems critical.  Some repairs.  Replace some old and worn out fencing.  And add proper modern fence sensors.   It is all 100% common sense border security, which the American people want at 90% now. 

Yet the left shut the government down to stop because they are throwing fits about Orange Man Bad.  I think we are building a 2020 landslide for Trump as we speak.


We'll ask the libtards here why they wanted a border wall up until the time drumpf agreed and also said he wanted a wall, I doubt any of them will answer.  I'm sure the freshmen parents want to know why the dems are such hypocritical, partisan hacks that have their party's interest, front and center before this country's interests.

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Democrats never wanted a massive wall.  Trump defined border security as a massive wall and redefined the entire security debate.  Americans don't want a wall and especially don't want to pay for it.   If Democrats let this ransom succeed, if they force their constituents to pay for something they were told they would never have to pay for, the President will tell everyone he got the wall he promised and Democrats will be pummeled for failing to vote as they were instructed to do by their voters.  Then next month the President will shut down the Government again to get his next wish.

Finally, Democrats were once willing to support fencing but now realize the illegals keep coming.  Not the time to spend another $5.7B on something that isn't providing the results we need.

Now please explain why we now shut down the Government in order to force the opposition to vote for a bill?  We didn't do that for the gang of eight bill so why now?




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We'll ask the libtards here why they wanted a border wall up until the time drumpf agreed and also said he wanted a wall, I doubt any of them will answer.  I'm sure the freshmen parents want to know why the dems are such hypocritical, partisan hacks that have their party's interest, front and center before this country's interests.



Haha yes indeed, another one of those "questions that must be ignored at all costs" for the dems. I'm putting it on the same list as the one Durden tosses out every so often, which goes something like "If you shoot and kill a 8 week pregnant woman, why do you get charged with two murders"?

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No one can intelligently answer that question.
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I don’t know how much more clear it can be made.

Would a Democrat Administration shut down the Government to force Republicans to vote yes on Medicare for all? No.

Would a Democrat Administration shut down the Government to force Republicans to vote yes on the gang of eight immigration reform bill? No.

Would a Trump Administration shut down the Government to force the Democrats to vote yes on a wall? Yes and that’s another example how this Administration ignores the best interests of this Country.


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No one can intelligently answer that question.

Intelligence is not ther strong suit even though they repeatedly tell us how smart they think they are

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Intelligence is not ther strong suit even though they repeatedly tell us how smart they think they are

They just skip right over it.  Just like seemingly to forget Obama shutdown the government in 2013 to get Obamacare funded.

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President Trump has deliberately shut down the Government in hopes he can force Democrats to vote a certain way. Pelosi has no reason to shut down the Government as she is not trying to make Republicans vote in any particular manner.


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Intelligence is not ther strong suit even though they repeatedly tell us how smart they think they are


The Democrats were making their agenda known when that meeting was aired between Trump, Pelosi and Schumer.  Even then, when Trump said he would take credit for the shutdown in order to protect our country and stop open borders, they were telling the country that they intend to keep our borders open.  

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TheNarrator, a Republican, along with millions of other Republicans, is for border security and against a wall. Democrats agree. At some point you must stop misleading readers into believing being against a wall equals being against border security. It’s a huge example of fake news.

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The Democrats were making their agenda known when that meeting was aired between Trump, Pelosi and Schumer.  Even then, when Trump said he would take credit for the shutdown in order to protect our country and stop open borders, they were telling the country that they intend to keep our borders open.  

Exactly right Coach. They have no agenda other than Orange Man Bad

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