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This is how it starts in a communist country. My mother saw this first-hand. So if there are any rebuttals they don't count unless you lived in a communist country.

We need to stop this from happening. This White House has no shame as to what they will do to spread their socialistic views. They slither on a ground like a snake. I myself have no children yet but friends and family of mine have children from 3 years old to 12 years old. This is not proper for the government to try this. This is brainwashing plain and f***ing simple. My mother fled communist Cuba and she said that they did this so the kids would stop listening to the parents and start listening to the State.


http://www.watcherofweasels.org/september-8th-national-keep-your-kids-home-from-school-day-avoid-obama-propaganda-school-plan/
 
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/flashback-bill-ayers-declares-education-the-motor-force-of-revolution/
 
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/
 
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/01/obamas-sept-8-speech-to-schoolchildren/

Get the rest of Americans who believe in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States to call their Representatives and Senators and tell them that this is all smoke filled coffee house crap set up by Rahmbo Deadfish and Axelrotten. Stay AWAY from our kids. We will raise them as we seem fit. Tell Obama to have a Coke and a smile and Shut the F*** Up!


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This is starting to scare the bejebbers out of me..I have 11 grandkids& 7 are still in school,I will ask my son& daughter to protest this,I hope they do.


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There are plenty of schools where I live who will choose not to participate.

Ya know, if this was strictly an education session, where the President gave a first-hand account of how government actually worked, it might actually have some value.  This, on the other hand, is creepy. 

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We who were young men when Senator "Tailgunner Joe" MacCarthy of Wisconsin led his wild eyed search for "Commies" in the early 1950s which led to the career killing of many good people for personal political gain see both sides of this coin, and the mentality that drives both. Too much of either is dangerous. Himmler used "the big lie" to indoctrinate people into thinking a certain way and used a ready scapegoat. Which side of this situation is more guilty of that? Somebody out there is working overtime to sell a bill of goods to my nation. I still have to figure out who it is. I already know why.

Indoctrination is nothing new. When I was in elementary public school. we stood and gave what became known as the Nazi salute and pledged allegiance to The United States of America (as though we knew what that was). The "Nazi" salute was abolished and we held our hand over our hearts when WW2 broke out. Then we listened to a section of the Bible being read to us every day as a part of "morning exercises" (we didn't understand that either but were assured that it was important stuff). There you go - indoctrinated into American Christianity. I wonder what our Jewish and Muslim kids thought. Before we begin to think for ourselves, we are all indoctrinated to some extent into a belief system of some kind, perhaps several. The danger arises when we stop thinking and just follow blindly and emotionally, when we stop recognizing indoctrination of any kind, especially when it reinforces our already established prejudices .

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JG-I went grades 1-8 to a Lutheran school& maybe I'm weird or something,but saying the pledge every morning& a prayer I think is a big part of who I am today.
Of course the pledge was to my country& the prayers to God,neither was to our President.what scares me the most are the exercises they are suggesting for the youngsters to do after hearing the President talk.....I don't like this ,No matter who it is.

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old scout - And if you had been born in Communist China? Or in Spain under Franco? I agree (and so did the Chinese under Mao) that what they called a "cult of the individual" was not a good thing for society. If every school in the USA were told that they would not get any more money unless they followed that part of a curriculum (if it really exists), then I would be worried about indoctrination. I doubt that we today have to worry any more about that than we did in the past. As for indoctrination of any sort, "Imagine".
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old scout - I once devised a high school course which I team taught with a fellow who had fled China when Mao took over (walked 2500 miles over the Himalayas into India). The course was divided into school half years. The first half studied Marxism and its use in the Soviet Union. The second studied Democracy and its use in the United States. During "Back to School Night", the most conservative man in the community (very Republican community which contained Nixon's law partner) asked me in a group session if I told them which one was right (indoctrinated them), and I answered, "No, sir, and two years from now I allow them to vote". That conservative loved my answer and made it a point to visit the classroom now and again, and I invited him to participate, and he became the biggest advocate of the course, insisting that adults in the community should take it because they had so many misconceptions at "the Club". Many fears originate in ignorance.
It simply opened his eyes to possibilities he didn't know existed. It probably didn't change his mind about his core values. As for the youngsters, they were taught about possibilities and how to make value judgments based on data acquisition and analysis. That is the opposite of indoctrination. Bin Ladin and Company make good use of indoctrination and ritual leading to fanaticism. Not good stuff, no matter where it is practiced. Democracy depends on an enlightened citizenry for survival.
The concepts that should govern my nation can't be found on a bumper sticker.

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I was wondering when it would hit this board.  Actually you guys are right on schedule.  There's a pattern.  Hear about an Obama action.....scrounge the right wing sensationalist blogs/propaganda sites...... and then post a simplistic accusatory fear mongering message with an occasional link to those right wing sensationalist blogs/propaganda sites in order to make their  point(not yours, as there are number of posters here who don't have an orginal thought in their heads)  Classic.

Do you care about the truth or are you just/still mad that there's a Democrat in the White House? I don't know, maybe you're suffering Post Traumatic Fear Syndrome....you know from the daily reports of lunatic based aggression around every corner and under every bed from the last 8 years.  Or perhaps it's a pervasive learned behavior from years and years of watching/reading our exalted leaders go at each other like junior high cheerleaders.

Here is a more balanced report on Obama's address to the school kids and which suggests that this kind of behavior is "politics as usual".  How very sad for all of us!

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We searched previous media reports to see if former President George W. Bush ever gave a nationwide address to schoolchildren, but based on our search, it appears he did not. He did, however, regularly visit individual schools and discuss the importance of education with students.

We did learn, however, that President George H.W. Bush addressed the nation's students in a televised speech during school hours in 1991. ''I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid,'' Bush said, according to news reports from the time. He told students to ''block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart'' and ''work harder, learn more.''

Democrats at the time criticized the speech. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the Democratic majority leader in the House of Representatives.

Republican Newt Gingrich defended Bush's speech, though. "Why is it political for the president of the United States to discuss education?" Gingrich said at the time. "It was done at a nonpolitical site and was beamed to a nonpolitical audience. . . . They wanted to reach the maximum audience with the maximum effect to improve education."

PolitiFact | Republican Party of Florida says Obama will "indoctrinate" school

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Biscuit - New Jersey also funds by ADA (average daily attendance).
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Man, I see and read a number of emotional diatribes that take a little truth and a lot of incorrect information and shout the collective negative "big lie" to the masses. Obviously this is not serendipity. There appears to be a movement afoot. At least in Florida the conduits of lies and misrepresentation identified themselves as the Republican Party of Florida. Therefore, they were found out to have "pants on fire". Do you think there's a Republican "Dirty Tricks" movement in progress nationally to influence voting in 2010 and 2012?
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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I was wondering when it would hit this board.  Actually you guys are right on schedule.  There's a pattern.  Hear about an Obama action.....scrounge the right wing sensationalist blogs/propaganda sites...... and then post a simplistic accusatory fear mongering message with an occasional link to those right wing sensationalist blogs/propaganda sites in order to make their  point(not yours, as there are number of posters here who don't have an orginal thought in their heads)  Classic.


"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. "

Here's a thought - let's check out some previous involvement with education.  The following is research done by Stanley Kurtz, done last fall:

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago’s public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation’s other key body, the “Collaborative,” which shaped education policy.

The CAC’s basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

The CAC’s agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers’s educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland’s ghetto.

In works like “City Kids, City Teachers” and “Teaching the Personal and the Political,” Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? “I’m a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist,” Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk’s, “Sixties Radicals,” at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

CAC translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or ACORN).

Mr. Obama once conducted “leadership training” seminars with ACORN, and ACORN members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama’s early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC’s in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.

Mr. Ayers is the founder of the “small schools” movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to “confront issues of inequity, war, and violence.” He believes teacher education programs should serve as “sites of resistance” to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his “Teaching Toward Freedom,” is to “teach against oppression,” against America’s history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.

The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming “guilt by association.” Yet the issue here isn’t guilt by association; it’s guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.

 


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DaddyO - If you were a black man in inner city Chicago, would that curriculum make sense to you? Is an attempt to correct many, many years of racism in America a very bad thing (if violence isn't part of the message)? Just curious. Leave out the Ayres bombing stuff, and one might just see a righteous attempt to better our society. Have you ever dealt with inner city kids? It really is an eye opening experience, sometimes almost like visiting a foreign country.
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Frank - to throw out math and science in favor of political activism is absurd. 

I see this as nothing more than the attempt to hold down an entire generation of students.

You might be interested to see what Bill Cosby thinks of education.  I think he has slightly more credibility than someone who tried to blow up the Capitol, but hey, that's just me. 

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DaddyO - I completely agree with your first sentence, but since I am not privy to the entire curriculum, I cannot comment except to noting the statement that science and math "awards" were refused whereas "racial" ideas weren't. I think that is very wrong headed.
PS - I am completely aware of Cosby's views on education, especially black education. He has made good use of his EDD and makes what to me are obvious good points. I am not sure that his ideas appeal to or even reach en masse the inner city, and that is the original point that his philosophy makes. He makes a suburban plea (perhaps stronger than that) to inner city sub cultures.
PPS - I and another guy once created a corporation entitled "Inner City Enrichment Corporation". We were basically going to go out and save the inner city world through softball, specifically my softball schools. The athletic directors were wonderful. We got great cooperation from educators. On the day we expected the deluge, three huge busses pulled up to our camp, and two kids got out of each one. One was a tall, nubian looking child who was without a glove. I talked with her and told her that I had a glove in my basement if she wanted it. Then I went to the nearest sporting goods store and bought her one, a first baseman's mitt. By the end of camp, this child earned the most improved award, and I saw great things for her. She was an unusual athletic talent. The following year we were up to 8 inner city kids, mostly Hispanic because education of any kind was encouraged in the homes. I noted that the first baseman wasn't there, so I asked the kids how she did in high school that spring, and one said, "Oh, she didn't play". I asked why and she said that her Momma wouldn't let her and told her to get a job (whatever that meant). I asked about the glove, and they said, "Oh, her Momma sold that". There is a sub culture in the inner city that is almost impossible for we who live outside it to understand, and some of it is built on racism. I disagree with Ayres' approach, but I can understand why he approached education as he did.
One other result: I received a check from the principal (Joe Clark) who was documented in "Lean On Me" by Hollywood. He had promised two kids that if their grades were As and Bs, he would pay their way to softball school. They were talented. They got the necessary grades and attended. As soon as softball school was over, their grades went back to D's and F's. There is a whole sub culture that we must begin to understand if we are to do anything, in the schools or otherwise, to create different cultural horizons and socio-economic conditions. From personal experience, I would say that the first job is to have inner city kids explode out of negative racism and into the mainstream, and to assume mainstream values. Very difficult job because we are battling generations of recidivism and an acceptance of second class citizenship.

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Kudos for your efforts, Frank.  Since there is no 'salute' emoticon, I'll use this one - 

A very sad account.  I can only hope your act of kindness was remembered. 

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DaddyO - They need not even remember. Besides, another fellow created "Project Pride" and did much more than I was capable of doing. He had connections with a place in Puerto Rico where I had given clinics, and he took the kids there every year, establishing pride in Hispanic communities. Some things that we take for granted, like personal pride, must be instilled in these kids before they see themselves as being worthy to compete in athletics or in life.
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Some things that we take for granted, like personal pride, must be instilled in these kids before they see themselves as being worthy to compete in athletics or in life.

 
And what better way then to have the President of the United States speak to these kids.  A black (1/2 black....for you Hammer)man who came from a one parent/Grandmother family with limited income who graduated from one of the most prestigious colleges in the world and then went on to be elected by the majority to one of the most important offices in the world.  That is a role model for all students, especially the downtrodden.

I just don't see the down side, unless of course you are of the ilk that would like to see him fail regardless of the effects to this country.
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Some things that we take for granted, like personal pride, must be instilled in these kids before they see themselves as being worthy to compete in athletics or in life.

 
And what better way then to have the President of the United States speak to these kids.  A black (1/2 black....for you Hammer)man who came from a one parent/Grandmother family with limited income who graduated from one of the most prestigious colleges in the world and then went on to be elected by the majority to one of the most important offices in the world.  That is a role model for all students, especially the downtrodden.

I just don't see the down side, unless of course you are of the ilk that would like to see him fail regardless of the effects to this country.
pov-You make some good points,but you also paint all conservatives or those that don't agree with the President as people who wish to see him fail or some right wing goofballs.

I did see where the exercise that they were asking the students to do after the talk has been eliminated& that was my main concern.


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pov-You make some good points,but you also paint all conservatives or those that don't agree with the President as people who wish to see him fail or some right wing goofballs.

 
If you got that impression from my posts then I apologize.  It's the ones who make outlandish accusations and don't have one iota of proof that I raise a cocked eyebrow to. I've corrected many posters on this board who fall into that category.  You gotta wonder what the agenda is.  Obviously they're not at all concerned with the truth or else they would make an effort to check it out. Very easy to do, but they don't.  Why?  Maybe they are just flat out stupid (right wing goofballs). Or perhaps it's an attempt to paint our President in a continuously negative light looking toward the next election.  You remember the Swift Boat kids.  Disagreeing is good, but in a civil, restrained, respectful manner.  Donning one's 6 shooter, a flag and a bullhorn to shout down those who don't agree with you probably doesn't fall into to that department. They just don't seem that interested in the facts or the truth.  Why is that?  Seriously.....why is that?
 
Those are the ones oldscout, not all....... unfortunately those knotheads do seem to be the loudest.
 
 
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POV says: [QUOTEf you got that impression from my posts then I apologize.  It's the ones who make outlandish accusations and don't have one iota of proof that I raise a cocked eyebrow to. I've corrected many posters on this board who fall into that category.  You gotta wonder what the agenda is.  Obviously they're not at all concerned with the truth or else they would make an effort to check it out. Very easy to do, but they don't.  Why?  Maybe they are just flat out stupid (right wing goofballs). Or perhaps it's an attempt to paint our President in a continuously negative light looking toward the next election.  You remember the Swift Boat kids.  Disagreeing is good, but in a civil, restrained, respectful manner.  Donning one's 6 shooter, a flag and a bullhorn to shout down those who don't agree with you probably doesn't fall into to that department. They just don't seem that interested in the facts or the truth.  Why is that?  Seriously.....why is that? 
 
Those are the ones oldscout, not all....... unfortunately those knotheads do seem to be the loudest. 
 

POV,

Kind of like the way you treated President Bush, huh?  NOT!

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Exclusive to right wingers? Be honest or does Code Pink not do the same thing? Just a thought!


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Okay, I know I have been busy at work but what am I missing?

On the first day back to school for most students the President wants to welcome them to school, state why they should go to school and that they need to work hard while at school.  Sort of sounds like message my wife gave to everyone of her classes at the school where she is the principal.

Their are bigger issues with the direction of our government then this issue.  I applaud the President for taking the time to give this little prep talk.

And if you care, I am a life long republican that voted for McCain who spent 23 years in Military Intelligence work for this country.
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Midodd.

Apparently you are not aware of the worksheet that was to be given to the students after Obama's speech that among other things asked the students to write letters to themselves stating what each of them can do to help the President.  That is inappropriate.

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newbie, make your case. 

As far as Code Pink goes....had to Google that since I'm unaware.  Seems they've targeted H. Clinton/N. Pelosi as well as those from the Bush Administration in their stance against the war.  Don't necessarily agree with their tactics in the very limited amount that I've read,  but I will not/can not  comment on folks who have lost family members in a U.S. offensive.  I have not and it would be callus of me to assume that I know or understand where they are coming from.


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POV,

I am not going to look up all of you posts, but you have been quite derogatory in your descriptions of President Bush and his policies.  You have also been less than generous in your references to conservatives and republicans, even referring to republicans as PUBS on more than one occasion. You can deny it, but you will only prove your hypocrisy.  

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Newbie, if you actually cared about the truth and the facts you would have clicked the site in my first post.  Maybe go back and do that before you go off.......see this is the exact thing that I'm talking about.  Geez!


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We reviewed the study materials but didn't see any mention of controversial issues, let alone any attempt to indoctrinate students in socialism. The pre-K through 6th grade materials said the main ideas of the speech would be "citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty." The materials for high schoolers mention "personal responsibility, goals, persistence."

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Update, Sept. 3: Since we published this item, the Department of Education has modified a line in its classroom materials about the president's speech. A bullet point for activities after the speech used to say, "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals." Now it states, "Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short–term and long–term education goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

That change, however, does not alter our ruling. Based on the press release that the Republican Party of Florida used as a basis for this claim, there remains no evidence that Obama intends to discuss the controversial policy issues of health care, banking, the automotive industry, taxes or the national debt during his address to students. And so we still find the party's claim to be Pants on Fire.


Click on those links....read it and tell me what is controversial about this?   
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Newbi1

Why is writing a letter to the President inappropriate?  I know it has been reworked, but I do not see any problems with the first activity.
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POV and Midodd,

What don't you get?  The original worksheet before being re-worked today, asked the students to write letters stating what they can do to help President Obama.  What if I don't want my children helping  President Obama.  POV, would you like your children to help President Bush, cause I can help arrange that?

BTW, POV, you didn't respond to my last post.

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Does anybody remember what President Bush was doing right before the 9/11 attacks.  Promoting the First Lady's Reading program by reading a book in an elementary school.

Part of the US plan to rebuild Iraq and Afganistan is to rebuild their schools.

Education is a wonderful tool.  Why don't we try and use it.  Instead of believing everything you hear or read, go to the source and get your information first hand.  In the Intelligence world we classify all information at A to F based on the reliability of the informant and 1 to 6 on the credibility/verifiability of the information.  You take sensationalist bloggers and writers information at it was A1 stuff when it is actually F6.  Just because somebody says something or writes something it does not make it true.  Use your intellictual brain, does this really make sense?  Indoctrinual our kids to socialism via a web stream?  If it does, get some help please.

In the minutes and hours after 9/11 you would not believe the amount of false or bad information that people wanted to pass as intelligence.  That is why information is not intelligence.  We had an inbound 747 from Japan coming into San Francisco with an F16 about to put a sidewinder in it.  We had information that the plane was hijacked.  Problem was we did not have intelligence stating that.  We could not find out where the information came from or confirm it, so we gambled and forced the plane to land at Travis AFB.  I lead a team for 2 months to locate that and a few other bad pieces of information that had circulated.  All turned out to be rumors passed on by professionals who should have known better until somebody wrote it down.  Writing it down did not make it correct, but made more people believe it.  This is now a case study that Intelligence Analysit must learn.

Okay I am getting off my soap box and going back to work.


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Newbie,  So kids were ask to write down what they could do to help the President of the United States.  I believe if you check with Historians, you will see the FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Reagan, Bush and Clinton all did similiar things.  Were they all wrong?

What specifically were they to write down?  You probably don't know because you never checked the actual document.  It was what they could do to help President Obama by working harder in school, doing their homework and coming to school.

I bet when Lenin, Stalin and Moa heard this they all cheered that the US had turn to Marxism.
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