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3leftturns

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200+ is the better stat to use 😅

Then, say half the innings. Not lunacy like two-thirds
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Can't argue with 3lt.  Too many facts to consider. He is an unapologetic Duck. Good for him. That is why they play the games eh?  Conference play will definitely improve the Pac for a good showing at the CWS.  I thought the Ducks and the Bruins were snake bitten last year by the umpiring. Let's hope none of that repeats this coming season. Several other Pac teams intrigue me. I watched the Beavers a lot last year and I like the team. Pitchers will be very competitive with a year of experience. Their hitting was clutch last year and I do not see a drop off when you consider the freshmen coming in. The Arizona teams should also be competitive despite the lost of some very talented hitters and O'Toole. Both teams are led by  experienced and very strategic coaches. Utah should be interesting to watch without their extremely talented and clutch hitter Hannah Flippen--player of the year. She was the difference in so many games. The remaining teams lost their key players Sorenson and Bonstrom. Both Stanford and Cal improved their competitiveness with the addition of talented pitchers. 
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Can't argue with 3lt.  Too many facts to consider. He is an unapologetic Duck. Good for him. That is why they play the games eh?  Conference play will definitely improve the Pac for a good showing at the CWS.  I thought the Ducks and the Bruins were snake bitten last year by the umpiring.
Oregon, UW and UCLA all were hammered by officiating in WCWS. And Cal could have nuked Auburn if not for a disgusting miscarriage on a tag by Laxamana (every team pounded by the plate umps at least once, BTW)

 

3leftturns

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Can't argue with 3lt.  Too many facts to consider. He is an unapologetic Duck.
You DO agree that those stats don't have a rooting interest, right?
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You DO agree that those stats don't have a rooting interest, right?


Truly you jest. Just by comparing you reveal your bias, however little you think it does.  Almost any case can be made through the use of statistics. Bottom line, did Oregon lose to Washington  and UCLA in the conference series? And, equally important who really cares. Looking at what you presented tells me that all these pitching stats were good enough to get them to CWS all other things not being equal. In some cases it takes a village to get there. In other cases one gunslinger can get you to the "show".
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Oregon lost a game each in extra innings to Washington and UCLA. True. So stipulated.

And swept Oregon State and Utah. How did your Bruins do there?

Stats tell more of the story than your bloviating does.


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Oregon lost a game each in extra innings to Washington and UCLA. True. So stipulated.

And swept Oregon State and Utah. How did your Bruins do there?

Stats tell more of the story than your bloviating does.



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Wow you are vicious quick to bite. How did your Duckies do against Washington and Arizona? My point was, "who cares?" Oregon, Washington and UCLA got there and others could have been there as well. Your belief in Oregon's pitching staff greatness is duly noted. 
3leftturns

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Trying to figure out how your omniscience divines "exceptional" from "not exceptional"
Keepitreal

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Hey 3LTs. It's always the fault of blue. No team can ever overcome a little adversity. . By the way who won WCWS?
3leftturns

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That's right, I forgot, they were tremendous



And, to answer you, the home team

Adversity, yeah, sometimes teams have to deal with it in the postseason, as the home team did against Tulsa. Still, no excuse for the sewage in OKC this year



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Gotcha. That throw by the catcher is still a little wide right! I forgot though that was a speedster running to first or then again maybe not.
3leftturns

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Yes, Scott Norwood... didn't hook it around Wodach and through the uprights.

You saying that, though, points out that on top of everything else, the kid is inside the baseline, obstructing the first baseman's view. I'm sure that if the ball had been put into the square of her back, that dimestore blue would have called it a live ball. Just an absolute s**tshow of ineptitude. Probably the reason the running lane was legislated back in.

What is your excuse for the gift against Washington? ALSO a foul ball on top of everything else.

I have seen awful strike zone work in OKC. Never seen WCWS field work as 10U-caliber as it was this past June.
3leftturns

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But, I can't disagree with you. Home-cooked dinners are the best dinners.
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Gotcha. That throw by the catcher is still a little wide right! I forgot though that was a speedster running to first or then again maybe not.


A seasoned first baseman sets up outside the bag on that bunt by that righty down (actually foul)the first base line and makes that play in spite of the abominably blown call by the umpire. She is a freshman.  Isn't this her first year at first base?

A first baseman who is significantly taller than 5'1" (allowing for roster height inflation) sees the ball earlier and might make the play anyway even under the circumstances of the play

Every once in a while, the "if you can hit they find a place for you" philosophy bites you in the butt at an inopportune moment.  Sometimes the gamble does not pay off.

Just one opinion.
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<< That's right, I forgot, they were tremendous >> (3LT)

Lefty - I watched the first video you posted in post #70 and your Ducks did get screwed pretty bad by the blue. And I understand your frustration over their mistakes... especially when one bad call happens after another - and another.

After watching the Wodach bunt vs. Oregon - I think I can now see how the plate umpire missed the fair/foul call. Stop the video at 2:56 (right when the catcher touched the ball on the ground)... and you will see that the umpire's view of the ball on the ground is blocked by the catcher's body. The umpire had moved to his left (toward third base a bit) and as the catcher was picking up the ball - her body was between the ball and the umpire. So it appears that the ump was only guessing at the ball's position (as to being fair or foul) and probably based that call on where he had last seen it. The replay does show it to be at least a few inches foul when the catcher touched it - but the umpire's view of the ball at that point was blocked.

On the Udria toss to the second baseman for a force out... the ump missed a close call. But if Udria had made a better toss (and she should have) - it would have been an easy out call for the ump. 

On the force play at second base where the second baseman throws the ball to the SS... the ump missed what appears to be a pretty easy call. The Oregon runner was safe by a good margin. Just a terrible job by the umpire. 

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The other two videos you linked to that same post appear to be full Oregon games. I didn't take the time to watch them. Is there some specific thing in those games that you wanted us to see?
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Sober take, Hammer.

But he couldn't have been obstructed. If so, when White came out and told him it was foul, he would have asked for help. 1B blue had a perfect look, too, even though he was 60 feet farther away from the ball.

And, the Wodach bunt was also foul in the Washington play on that video.

Re: the other clips. The Oregon 2017 regional and super regional clips aren't full games, just late-game rallies for the one idiot's edification since he seemed to think that they hadn't come back from major adversity already, just as the home team did in Norman in the regional.
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<< But he couldn't have been obstructed. If so, when White came out and told him it was foul, he would have asked for help. >> (3LT)

Some times an ump doesn't ask for help (when he should) because of pride. That is unfortunate, but true.

<< 1B blue had a perfect look, too, even though he was 60 feet farther away from the ball. >> (3LT)

I checked - and when we freeze the video at 3:04... we can see that the first base umpire appears to be looking right at the ball being touched (in foul territory) before he makes his move into fair territory to make the potential safe/out call at first base. I believe the first base ump was aware that the ball had been touched in foul territory (based on that freeze look at 3:04) and would have overturned the plate umpire's call... IF THE PLATE UMP HAD ASKED. 

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<< And, the Wodach bunt was also foul in the Washington play on that video. >> (3LT)

Stop the video at 0:55 (as the catcher first touches the ball) and you can see that the plate umpire is in a very bad position to determine if the ball was in fair or foul territory. 

In both of these fair/foul calls... the plate umpires just did not have good looks at where the ball was as it was being touched by the catcher. 
In both cases - they should have asked for help on the fair/foul part of the call. 
HenryLouisAaron

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<< Re: the other clips. The Oregon 2017 regional and super regional clips aren't full games, just late-game rallies for the one idiot's edification since he seemed to think that they hadn't come back from major adversity already, just as the home team did in Norman in the regional. >> (3LT)

I checked them both out... and they are the full games.
I skipped ahead to the comeback by Oregon against Kentucky... 
and that Kentucky pitcher got squeezed pretty good by the plate ump. 
Still... an impressive comeback by the Ducks. 
3leftturns

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Isn't that interesting... I had grabbed the url with denotation of the time for it to start

Sorry about that.

I should have logged in as someone else to confirm that. lol
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/97853632/mike-white-to-bring-three-united-states-national-team-trialists-to-softball-series-in-new-zealand
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Apparently, the Washington game was not the only one at the WCWS where an Oklahoma runner, Fave Aviu, got away with leaving the base path to avoid the catcher's tag:

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Oklahoma scored early in its first game against Baylor when Fale Aviu used some fancy footwork to deke out Sydney Christensen. At first glance, it appeared Aviu ran out of the baseline in order to avoid the tag and her feet ended up in the far batter’s box when she dove back to touch the plate. She was called safe and there was no discussion.


She got away with it the first time, so why not do it again.



I suggest we need two things:

1) Clarification of the "out of the base path rule" to eliminate the "Oklahoma" exception. Otherwise, why shouldn't coaches be coaching their players to do this? On the other hand, if a Washington or Oregon runner had done this, is there really any doubt that she would have been called OUT?

2) Instant replay challenges (three per game?) with a separate replay official in the WCWS.
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<< Apparently, the Washington game was not the only one at the WCWS where an Oklahoma runner, Fale Aviu, got away with leaving the base path to avoid the catcher's tag:

Quote: Oklahoma scored early in its first game against Baylor when Fale Aviu used some fancy footwork to deke out Sydney Christensen. At first glance, it appeared Aviu ran out of the baseline in order to avoid the tag and her feet ended up in the far batter’s box when she dove back to touch the plate. She was called safe and there was no discussion.

She got away with it the first time, so why not do it again. >> (Kurosawa)

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You didn't bother to show us the first one (vs. Baylor)... 
so how are we supposed to know if she was actually too far out of the baseline on that play - or not..?
The quote you listed above said only that "it appeared, at first glance, that she ran out of the baseline to avoid the tag".
That is FAR from proof that she had actually done so.

The fact that she was "called safe... and then there was NO DISCUSSION"... 
seems to indicate that the opposing coach must have thought the umpire got the call right. 
Otherwise... you'd think there would have, at the very least, been a discussion.
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Btw... I used a special high tech software device - and measured the actual distance Aviu was from the chalk line on the Washington/Oklahoma video you posted. Amazingly... she was exactly 2 feet and 11.9999 inches from the line.

; )
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Apparently, the Washington game was not the only one at the WCWS where an Oklahoma runner, Fave Aviu, got away with leaving the base path to avoid the catcher's tag:

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Oklahoma scored early in its first game against Baylor when Fale Aviu used some fancy footwork to deke out Sydney Christensen. At first glance, it appeared Aviu ran out of the baseline in order to avoid the tag and her feet ended up in the far batter’s box when she dove back to touch the plate. She was called safe and there was no discussion.


Numbnut.... in four games against Baylor this year, Aviu scored ONE run, getting pushed across by a home run in that instance.

So, don't spew this garbage as some inaccurate shiny object that detracts from the factuality of the massive home cooking that DID aid Oklahoma in what was supposed to be a neutral setting this year.

Jeebus criminy

Who WROTE that account??? YOU?

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Btw... I used a special high tech software device - and measured the actual distance Aviu was from the chalk line on the Washington/Oklahoma video you posted. Amazingly... she was exactly 2 feet and 11.9999 inches from the line.

; )
Maybe 5 feet and 11.999 inches out of the line established when Flores made her first move toward her to tag.

Who is that idiot who was shoveling that sewage to Tarr?

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no rules clarification needed... that is simply spineless homecookery As many challenges as you need... until you are wrong once


Without a visual cue, can you tell what three feet is? Without a line or other indicator on the field, it is a judgment call. Even if the umpire has MAGOO EYES.

I'm thinking of something along the lines of: The runner is out "When she is running to any base in regular or reverse order, and she attempts to avoid or delay a tag by running out of the base path or she crosses into the far batter's box before tagging home."

Same "home cookery" apparently happened twice - almost makes one wonder if the "fix" was in. The runner in the UW game deviated from a foot outside to at least four feet inside the base line. Note that Aviu, both times, had to cross the far batter's box to tag the plate.
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<< Who is that idiot who was shoveling that sewage to Tarr? >> (3LT)

The home plate umpire on June 2nd, 2017 for the Oklahoma vs. Washington game was Christina Drumm.
First Base Ump was Ron Alexander and Third Base Ump was Leah Bowen.
The weather was partly cloudy with a temperature of 73 degrees at game time with no wind.
Game attendance was 9,658.

I asked Christina Drumm if she could estimate exactly how far Aviu was from the baseline on that play, in her view... 
and she said approximately 2 feet 11.9999 inches. 

; )
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If you are going to mindlessly hand out those assignments -- with no attention to a meritocracy, you must... must.... have video review
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Numbnut.... in four games against Baylor this year, Aviu scored ONE run, getting pushed across by a home run in that instance.

So, don't spew this garbage as some inaccurate shiny object that detracts from the factuality of the massive home cooking that DID aid Oklahoma in what was supposed to be a neutral setting this year.

Jeebus criminy

Who WROTE that account??? YOU?



Nope, FastPitchNews...

I was thinking the writer might have confused the games, but she named the Baylor catcher and was adamant in the article that it was: "Three plays on the first day."

http://fastpitchnews.com/college-softball-news/instant-replay-wcws/347006

Doesn't make the actual play call any less egregious.
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Nope, FastPitchNews...

I was thinking the writer might have confused the games, but she named the Baylor catcher and was adamant in the article that it was: "Three plays on the first day."

http://fastpitchnews.com/college-softball-news/instant-replay-wcws/347006

Doesn't make the actual play call any less egregious.
LOL... you were not thinking that...

But you are now.

Her article is solid except for the word Baylor instead of Washington

Reason 9,543 it is good policy to link a story you are quoting
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