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leip822

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UCLA has got to be the favorite for the PAC-12 title in 2018. They constantly have Oregon's, Arizona's, and Washington's number in conference series. The team has the potential to put the back on the WCWS title map.
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UCLA has got to be the favorite for the PAC-12 title in 2018. They constantly have Oregon's, Arizona's, and Washington's number in conference series. The team has the potential to put the back on the WCWS title map.

My reasoning

Pitching:1)Garcia will probably a 10 ten national pitcher is she keeps on track. 2) If azevedo can deliver they will have an extreme reliable #2 3)Tamilo can be very effective in relief having a totally difference look than Garcia.

Offense: UCLA is only losing 1 key component in DS. They are adding 2 that can come in and fill the whole she leaves immediately.

Would love to hear other opinions on this

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My reasoning

Pitching:1)Garcia will probably a 10 ten national pitcher is she keeps on track. 2) If azevedo can deliver they will have an extreme reliable #2 3)Tamilo can be very effective in relief having a totally difference look than Garcia.

Offense: UCLA is only losing 1 key component in DS. They are adding 2 that can come in and fill the whole she leaves immediately.

Would love to hear other opinions on this


I say Oregon pitching over UCLA pitching because the 2&3 are question marks for UCLA, but we know Oregon has 3 solid pitchers. They are very evenly matched, but I think Oregon edges them out for the title .
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My reasoning Pitching:1)Garcia will probably a 10 ten national pitcher is she keeps on track. 2) If azevedo can deliver they will have an extreme reliable #2 3)Tamilo can be very effective in relief having a totally difference look than Garcia. Offense: UCLA is only losing 1 key component in DS. They are adding 2 that can come in and fill the whole she leaves immediately. Would love to hear other opinions on this


I think UCLA will win it as well, but it is not a sure lock.

Offensively they lose DS who was a great player. Maurice didn't have her best year last year, but she was a starter and significant contributor throughout her career. Perez and Rodriquez are good and will probably fill the gap (in some ways be better too), but it's a pretty big gap.

Garcia will likely be better. So will Alvelo, Kleist etc. When it comes down to it, I'd take Alvelo over any of them, although I think Garcia and Elish have similar raw talent. From what I've seen of Azevedo, she doesn't have the stuff to be dominant although I expect her to make the staff better and be a contributor. 

I think you give Ta'amilo too much credit. Against the top pac teams she pitched 24 innings and gave up 18 ER (5.35 ERA) which included 13 ER in 4 innings at WA. She only pitched 12.1 innings out of 154 against other ranked teams (giving up 5 ER). You can see KIP did not have much faith in her.
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Arizona lost the most in conference. And then Washington.

And, neither has a pitcher who can win those Saturday games, unless Alvelo goes 250+ again... and, if so, eventually that will catch up.

You lose arguably the school's greatest non-pitcher ever (is there even an argument?) -- a shortstop no less, and then another player who was the conference's third-best left-handed stick ... and then predict they will finish better than they did last year?

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Another person I don't see people talking about is CF Aaliyah Jordan,she will be a star for UCLA,would of been a day 1 starter until she tore her knee up and had to red shirt, that makes this yr frosh that much better...
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Oregon has the best 1-2-3 combo in the country while UCLA will have Garcia throwing 250+ innings. Their already penciled in #2 is overrated a bit IMO, her JWNT showing was less than stellar against pathetic competition. She's a slight kid with less than perfect mechanics & velocity so, she may have a rough time in that league, especially being a freshman. UCLA can score some runs so that will hide any deficiencies while she is on the mound possibly. Washington will have Alvelo throwing 24/7. I'm holding my breath on this the new Australian pitcher. The ball they play over there is rec ball compared to here so, whatever jacked up stats she has won't translate very well here. Just ask Mickey Dean about Australian recruits. 
Time will tell but I think Washington would be #3. I'd move Stanford off the bottom simply because of the new coach. 

Mike White is superb, and Elish is one of he best Sophmores along with the whole staff throwing to possibly the best Catcher in the Country. I'll go with Oregon.
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Yeah, no s--- you would take Alvelo over all of them. Shocker.

Arizona lost the most in conference. And then Washington.

And, neither has a pitcher who can win those Saturday games, unless Alvelo goes 250+ again... eventually that will catch up.

You lose arguably the school's greatest non-pitcher ever (is there an argument?) -- a shortstop no less, and then another player who was the conference's third-best left-handed stick ... and then predict they will finish better than they did last year?



UTAH lost way more than WA. Flippen (Pac-12 poy), Castro, Urtez, as well as 2 other significant contributors. ASU is in the same ballpark as UW (Gonzales, Palacios) as is OR (Udria, Mercado). I would put it AZ, Utah, WA, OR, ASU but factoring in team impact, the last 3 are pretty close.

Offensively, Stang and Ali were huge losses, true. WA will regress offensively although I think getting Melhart out of the order, adding Atlee, KT having more experience and having Deponte at full strength will help. I would guess that they hit about .300 this year but with fewer HR. Defensively, I think Kaupe is going to be a better SS than Ali at some point, and Stang, though I think she is awesome, was a defensive liability. For context, 20 of the 95 runs the huskies gave up were unearned.

I think you are underestimating Plain. Manti also has a year under her belt and I expect her to improve as well. I think they will take a significant chunk of the Saturday games. My guess is Alvelo is still at 200-210 innings but I think she can handle it.

If I had to quantify it I'd say they lose .75 rpg offensively, pick up .25 rpg defensively and lower their ERA by 1. Overall, yes, I'd say they will finish a tiny bit better than last year. 

Also, I think Jenn Salling was the best non-pitcher UW player (that I've seen anyway, I don't know about pre coach Tarr). Hayward and Lahners in the conversation but Ali better than them I think.
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I, too, have only watched during the Tarr era, and I love me some Jenn Salling. But in my book, Ashley Charters was a better player, and so was Kimi Pohlman. Neither of them played Shortstop (Charters did a little), a very tough position. Jenn was an overall beast in attitude, but not a better player. Of course, that's only my opinion.
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Below Stanford?


Just watch it happen.  Cal has been "Cal light" for a few years now.
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1. UCLA
2. Oregon
3. Washington
4. Utah
5. ASU
6. Arizona
7. Stanford
8. OSU
9. Cal

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1. UCLA
2. Oregon
3. Washington
4. Utah
5. ASU
6. Arizona
7. Stanford
8. OSU
9. Cal


Washington beat Oregon 2 of 3 in conference play and beat them at WCWS.
Don't know how they can be ranked higher than UW?
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Washington beat Oregon 2 of 3 in conference play and beat them at WCWS.
Don't know how they can be ranked higher than UW?

I have a feeling washington will drop a couple games they shouldn't and oregon won't by the end of the conference season

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That last comment by Drop Curve resembles UCLA more than any other Pac 12 team. Swept by Utah last year. Lost 2 of 3 to Oregon State,

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Oregon has the best 1-2-3 combo in the country while UCLA will have Garcia throwing 250+ innings. Their already penciled in #2 is overrated a bit IMO, her JWNT showing was less than stellar against pathetic competition. She's a slight kid with less than perfect mechanics & velocity so, she may have a rough time in that league, especially being a freshman. UCLA can score some runs so that will hide any deficiencies while she is on the mound possibly. Washington will have Alvelo throwing 24/7. I'm holding my breath on this the new Australian pitcher. The ball they play over there is rec ball compared to here so, whatever jacked up stats she has won't translate very well here. Just ask Mickey Dean about Australian recruits. 
Time will tell but I think Washington would be #3. I'd move Stanford off the bottom simply because of the new coach. 

Mike White is superb, and Elish is one of he best Sophmores along with the whole staff throwing to possibly the best Catcher in the Country. I'll go with Oregon.
 


I think Oklahoma has the best pitching staff in the country and has proven it. Plus clutch hitters and a million dollar coach. I see them repeating unless a hot team runs the table at the CWS.
Oregon has good but beatable pitchers. None of them appear exceptional and their hitting is also mediocre.   They as a staff will be competitive in the Pac 12 given the week to week competition but in the CWS one dominant pitcher could carry a team to a championship given the brackets and seeding . 
Florida has a staff with an exceptional pitcher. Not sure about their hitting which was mediocre last year. Washington has an exceptional pitcher but lacks the  exceptional hitter that Aguilar represented. UCLA has an exceptional pitcher in Garcia. Hitting is pretty good from 1 to 9, at least on paper. Last year they were without a clutch hitter at the big moment. 




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That last comment by Drop Curve resembles UCLA more than any other Pac 12 team. Swept by Utah last year. Lost 2 of 3 to Oregon State,


They'll be better this year with azevedo and Garcia will be more heathy than she was and she's proven she can beat the best when it matters. It's just what I'm thinkinking

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I think Oklahoma has the best pitching staff in the country and has proven it. Plus clutch hitters and a million dollar coach. I see them repeating unless a hot team runs the table at the CWS.
Oregon has good but beatable pitchers. None of them appear exceptional and their hitting is also mediocre.   They as a staff will be competitive in the Pac 12 given the week to week competition but in the CWS one dominant pitcher could carry a team to a championship given the brackets and seeding . 
Florida has a staff with an exceptional pitcher. Not sure about their hitting which was mediocre last year. Washington has an exceptional pitcher but lacks the  exceptional hitter that Aguilar represented. UCLA has an exceptional pitcher in Garcia. Hitting is pretty good from 1 to 9, at least on paper. Last year they were without a clutch hitter at the big moment. 


The thread was about who would win the PAC 12 & last I checked OK was in the BIG 12.

Oregon's staff had lower overall ERA than did OK Staff. 1.41 to 1.47 and OK plays in a pretty weak Conference with one decent team, Baylor & they will be a shell of their team from last year. 

I do like OK staff. And I almost overlooked Lopez, probably the best Pitcher playing RF in the country. I would certainly pick OK as the favorite to win it all again. 

Oregon to win the PAC 12. Both UCLA & Washington only have one Pitcher with a resume. 
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The thread was about who would win the PAC 12 & last I checked OK was in the BIG 12.

Oregon's staff had lower overall ERA than did OK Staff. 1.41 to 1.47 and OK plays in a pretty weak Conference with one decent team, Baylor & they will be a shell of their team from last year. 

I do like OK staff. And I almost overlooked Lopez, probably the best Pitcher playing RF in the country. I would certainly pick OK as the favorite to win it all again. o

Oregon to win the PAC 12. Both UCLA & Washington only have one Pitcher with a resume. 



Got me going with the comment "best combo in the nation".  



 

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Elisha or Balint > Lopez
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Got me going with the comment "best combo in the nation".   


I was thinking PAC 12 when I made that comment. Lopez would be a defacto #1 on so many teams. 

I'll amend my post to 2nd best seeing I forgot about Lopez. Good catch.
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I presume you mean Mendez on Ok? Lopez does not play RF
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I presume you mean Mendez on Ok? Lopez does not play RF


Yes, thanks
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Washington beat Oregon 2 of 3 in conference play and beat them at WCWS. Don't know how they can be ranked higher than UW?
1. Washington lost more than Oregon did. Two massive left-handed bats (Oregon pitching staff is all-righty)

2. Not only do the Ducks have legit pitching for every day of the weekend, but each kid is a year older and ostensibly better.

3. Last year, Oregon was coming off of losing six starting seniors, including their three-time Pac PiOY. And, UW had lost no one of major consequence. And, despite that, Oregon threw one game away in the seventh and was outscored only 13-10 by the Huskies. Virtually even. And, Washington, despite winning the aforementioned two of three in Eugene, finished behind UO anyway.

4. I will let others weigh the newcomers and say whose is a better such grouping.

5. And, all that said, if Oregon doesn't play to its capabilities, they will finish behind UW
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I think Oklahoma has the best pitching staff in the country and has proven it. Plus clutch hitters and a million dollar coach. I see them repeating unless a hot team runs the table at the CWS.
Oregon has good but beatable pitchers. None of them appear exceptional and their hitting is also mediocre.   They as a staff will be competitive in the Pac 12 given the week to week competition but in the CWS one dominant pitcher could carry a team to a championship given the brackets and seeding . 
Florida has a staff with an exceptional pitcher. Not sure about their hitting which was mediocre last year. Washington has an exceptional pitcher but lacks the  exceptional hitter that Aguilar represented. UCLA has an exceptional pitcher in Garcia. Hitting is pretty good from 1 to 9, at least on paper. Last year they were without a clutch hitter at the big moment. 




I get that Garcia is the best of Alvelo, Kleist, Balint and Elish in the circle AND with bat in hand. But I don't know if the stats back up your idea of exceptional -- or not exceptional -- in the circle alone.

Conference stats:
Garcia: 2.26 ERA, 89.7 IP, 80 K, .223 OppBA, 1.260 WHIP
Kleist: 1.77 ERA, 75.0 IP, 62 K, .220 OppBA, 1.120 WHIP

Ta’amilo: 4.60 ERA, 48.7 IP, 26 K, .253 OppBA, 1.869 WHIP
Balint: 1.26 ERA, 44.3 IP, 33 K, .181 OppBA, 1.083 WHIP

No. 3 pitcher, when starter was pulled on weekend
Grauer: 6.88 ERA, 19.3 IP, 10 K, .337 OppBA, 2.845 WHIP
Elish: 2.33 ERA, 33.0 IP, 30 K, .262 OppBA, 1.364 WHIP

You just can't ride one horse with no Saturday starter anymore... well, certainly not in a conference such as UCLA's where you can't take weekends off and still sweep conference series.

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