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3leftturns

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Meanwhile.... why weren't Jim Wolf and Eric Cooper in OKC?

#NLCSDebacle

ChinMusic

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Numbnut.... in four games against Baylor this year, Aviu scored ONE run, getting pushed across by a home run in that instance.

So, don't spew this garbage as some inaccurate shiny object that detracts from the factuality of the massive home cooking that DID aid Oklahoma in what was supposed to be a neutral setting this year.

Jeebus criminy

Who WROTE that account??? YOU?



Those sour grapes just keep coming back up on ya don’t they? If you want to argue that the Sooners (like others teams) benefited from some questionable calls, or less the stellar officiating, or even umpire incompetence if you believe that to be the case, then you have some sort of rational argument. However, your claim (that word again) of some “home cooking” grand collusion scheme because the WCWS is held in Oklahoma is the humorous, and baseless, rant of a sore loser. Despite all the calls, Florida could very well have been victorious.
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I enjoy this back-and-forth. Doesn't bother me at all.

These are game-turning massive diamond miscarriages. There has never been a team so egregiously aided to a title. Inarguable among the sane, or non-Sooners.

The event being 20 miles away and sponsored by the University of Oklahoma... can live with that.

But if umps are incompetent on those plays -- involving a stationary ball 8 feet away, and can't treat OKC as a neutral site officiating-wise, the NCAA must do one of two things. 1. Have video review with the adjudicator off site and identified, or 2. Rotate the event.

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Those sour grapes just keep coming back up on ya don’t they? If you want to argue that the Sooners (like others teams) benefited from some questionable calls, or less the stellar officiating, or even umpire incompetence if you believe that to be the case, then you have some sort of rational argument. However, your claim (that word again) of some “home cooking” grand collusion scheme because the WCWS is held in Oklahoma is the humorous, and baseless, rant of a sore loser. Despite all the calls, Florida could very well have been victorious.


The Sooners winning that title.... honestly it does not stick with me to the same degree as this:

How the hell has NCAA softball not announced -- with their funky rules changes -- that there will be video review at OKC?

HOW?

It should have been announced the second after Oklahoma recorded the final out against UF

Disgusting. That, indeed, is impossible to get past

Why is there video review at the CWS in Nebraska?

ucferic, you have an interview asking a commissioner THAT question?

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I enjoy this back-and-forth. Doesn't bother me at all.

These are game-turning massive diamond miscarriages. There has never been a team so egregiously aided to a title. Inarguable among the sane, or non-Sooners.

The event being 20 miles away and sponsored by the University of Oklahoma... can live with that.

But if umps are incompetent on those plays -- involving a stationary ball 8 feet away, and can't treat OKC as a neutral site officiating-wise, the NCAA must do one of two things. 1. Have video review with the adjudicator off site and identified, or 2. Rotate the event.



All part of the master plan hatched by the umpires, ISIS, the Russians, and Trump. And as a result of the successful execution of their conspiracy they gained....... nothing.
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All part of the master plan hatched by the umpires, ISIS, the Russians, and Trump. And as a result of the successful execution of their conspiracy they gained....... nothing.
The locals went home ecstatic.

Ruling in favor of the home team is human emotion. It's why only the very best umps, plus replay can afford to be out there in the Elite 8.

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The locals went home ecstatic.

Ruling in favor of the home team is human emotion. It's why only the very best umps, plus replay can afford to be out there in the Elite 8.



I agree with the video replay. You can do it reasonably so it doesn't slow down the game. As far as the umpire mistakes, I'm sure it was coincidence that the bulk of them broke for the "home" team (sarcasm font enabled).
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I agree with the video replay. You can do it reasonably so it doesn't slow down the game. As far as the umpire mistakes, I'm sure it was coincidence that the bulk of them broke for the "home" team (sarcasm font enabled).


Beat em before they get there and you won’t have to worry about it. Auburn at home for instance. How ecstatic were those locals?
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Beat em before they get there and you won’t have to worry about it. Auburn at home for instance. How ecstatic were those locals?

Shouldn't have to "worry" about that sort of atrocity happening in a championship event.... ever

An Apples and ... LUGNUTS comparison.

Part of the huge aspect of EARNING a top 8 seed is hosting a super regional, with the knowledge a call will more likely go with you as a home team.

A championship series? Everyone has earned the same thing, what is supposed to be an evenhandedly adjudicated neutral-site tournament, even if it is sponsored by one of the teams.

No excuse for Drumm and Little's incompetence not being able to be overturned.

Oklahoma definitely earned their spot in the final eight no doubt, rallying from the loss to North Dakota State, and from being down 4-2 to Tulsa in the 10th inning of the elimination game, and rolling through the remnants of that Auburn team.

[wink]

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Shouldn't have to "worry" about that sort of atrocity happening in a championship event.... ever

An Apples and ... LUGNUTS comparison.

Part of the huge aspect of EARNING a top 8 seed is hosting a super regional, with the knowledge a call will more likely go with you as a home team.

A championship series? Everyone has earned the same thing, what is supposed to be an evenhandedly adjudicated neutral-site tournament, even if it is sponsored by one of the teams.

No excuse for Drumm and Little's incompetence not being able to be overturned.

Oklahoma definitely earned their spot in the final eight no doubt, rallying from the loss to North Dakota State, and from being down 4-2 to Tulsa in the 10th inning of the elimination game, and rolling through the remnants of that Auburn team.

[wink]



Beat them by supers and you won’t have to “Worry” about any “home cooking”, which is what you originally said was the problem. That connotes intentional, conscious, bias by umpires with some sort of preexistiing agenda. I think that idea is horse hockey.

Now you are saying the problem was “incompetence” by two specific umpires. While I think that categorization might be a little strong, I can certainly get a lot closer to agreeing with you on that concept than the former. But make up your mind....where the umpires cheats or chumps?

And what’s with this “sponsorship” crap? You just pulled that one out of.....well, let’s just say thin air. Absolutely no basis in fact. Just more of those same grapes.

Good night! 😴
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Bending to a crowd and home-cooking calls absolutely is a level of incompetence in my book.

And the OU most definitely is a sponsor out there.

You think you would have learned your lesson with your wayward 'thin air' accusations in the past.
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Bending to a crowd and home-cooking calls absolutely is a level of incompetence in my book.

And the OU most definitely is a sponsor out there.

You think you would have learned your lesson with your wayward 'thin air' accusations in the past.


One of these days I need to pick up a copy of that book of yours. Must also be a chapter in there that defines “sponsorship” a little differently than I understood it to be. Oh well, just another lesson (?) I need you to teach me I guess. Pass the grapes.
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LOL... you were not thinking that...

But you are now.

Her article is solid except for the word Baylor instead of Washington

Reason 9,543 it is good policy to link a story you are quoting


Actually, the thought did cross my mind. But I dismissed it, due to the article's insistence that it was against Baylor, even naming Baylor's catcher, and on the first, not the second, day. It couldn't have been more wrong, of course, which is kind of the point.
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Lefty - I thought you might enjoy this.
It is a short video which focuses on Fale Aviu's base running skills (and the Washington play)...

http://www.soonersports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=6161001&db_oem_id=31000 


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And here is an excellent still photo of Aviu tagging the plate at the end of that play.

https://twitter.com/OU_Softball 

The pitcher seems to be saying... WTF ump. 
The third base ump is thinking... hmmm was she out of the base line..???
Patty Gasso is thinking... Way to go Fale. Great base running!

You certainly cannot fault Aviu for trying to avoid the tag. She did a great job.
You can blame the plate ump... but not Fale.
3leftturns

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And here is an excellent still photo of Aviu tagging the plate at the end of that play.

https://twitter.com/OU_Softball 

The pitcher seems to be saying... WTF ump. 
The third base ump is thinking... hmmm was she out of the base line..???
Patty Gasso is thinking... Way to go Fale. Great base running!

You certainly cannot fault Aviu for trying to avoid the tag. She did a great job.
You can blame the plate ump... but not Fale.
Whoah....

NO ONE that I have seen has blamed Fale, or Gasso, or Wodach... or anyone for taking advantage of the gifts. She is a great player!

These moron umps, though.... Shouldn't get older than a 10U game for at least one calendar year

Disgusting
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And here is an excellent still photo of Aviu tagging the plate at the end of that play.

https://twitter.com/OU_Softball 

bad link

Call up the actual tweet, and then copy THAT url

The thumbnail on this video... 8 feet

https://twitter.com/NCAAsoftball/status/870870846234951680
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Sorry... can't seem to make a link to that picture work. 
The look on the pitcher's face was the priceless thing in that photo.
Sorry I couldn't get it to you.

+++++++++++++++++++

Lefty - My favorite thing in the NCAA video you linked (highlights of the Oklahoma-Washington game)... 
was the announcers words at around 0:30 into the video (talking about the play where Aviu avoided the tag).
He says... Aviu "sort of dodges... and nearly goes out of the baseline."

That description must really make your day.

; )

+++++++++++++++++++

Btw... even if Aviu had been called out on that play (and Oklahoma did not score that inning)... 
the game's final score was 3-1.
Subtract her run - and that would make it 2-1. Oklahoma still wins the game.
That call did not win the game for Oklahoma.
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In regard to the umpires favoring Oklahoma (either intentionally or on some sort of subconscious level)... 
Oklahoma was not the team that benefited the most by umpires calls (or non-calls) in the WCWS (or in the entire NCAA post season - or the entire NCAA softball season)... 

That would be Florida. The non calls of KB pitching illegally benefited her team probably a hundred times more. Maybe a thousand times more over the course of the season.
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Is there any doubt which teams ESPN wanted in the Finals? Their script was already written. They wanted big attendance and audience numbers. All the West Coast teams got screwed, double. They definitely greased the skids for Florida. Did they do the same for the home team?
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Sorry... can't seem to make a link to that picture work. 
The look on the pitcher's face was the priceless thing in that photo.
Sorry I couldn't get it to you.

+++++++++++++++++++

Lefty - My favorite thing in the NCAA video you linked (highlights of the Oklahoma-Washington game)... 
was the announcers words at around 0:30 into the video (talking about the play where Aviu avoided the tag).
He says... Aviu "sort of dodges... and nearly goes out of the baseline."

That description must really make your day.

; )

+++++++++++++++++++

Btw... even if Aviu had been called out on that play (and Oklahoma did not score that inning)... 
the game's final score was 3-1.
Subtract her run - and that would make it 2-1. Oklahoma still wins the game.
That call did not win the game for Oklahoma.


At the 30:14 mark... Jessica Mendoza says "I think it's more than 3 feet" out of the baseline, and Michele Smith, never wanting to rock any NCAA boat, amazingly drafts on Mendoza and adds "I agree"

Mendoza also notes at 25:34 that Wodach's bunt was foul when Flores touched it


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Is there any doubt which teams ESPN wanted in the Finals? Their script was already written. They wanted big attendance and audience numbers. All the West Coast teams got screwed, double. They definitely greased the skids for Florida. Did they do the same for the home team?


Washington - Legal weed and softball conspiracy/paranoia, coincidence?
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Washington - Legal weed and softball conspiracy/paranoia, coincidence?
lmfao
ChinMusic

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In regard to the umpires favoring Oklahoma (either intentionally or on some sort of subconscious level)... 
Oklahoma was not the team that benefited the most by umpires calls (or non-calls) in the WCWS (or in the entire NCAA post season - or the entire NCAA softball season)... 

That would be Florida. The non calls of KB pitching illegally benefited her team probably a hundred times more. Maybe a thousand times more over the course of the season.


Hadn’t thought about it those terms, but excellent point.
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In regard to the umpires favoring Oklahoma (either intentionally or on some sort of subconscious level)... 
Oklahoma was not the team that benefited the most by umpires calls (or non-calls) in the WCWS (or in the entire NCAA post season - or the entire NCAA softball season)... 

That would be Florida. The non calls of KB pitching illegally benefited her team probably a hundred times more. Maybe a thousand times more over the course of the season.
You can say that about UF, but if Oklahoma was in second, it was like Jack Nicklaus being second to Tom Watson at the 1977 British Open, 10 shots ahead of third-place Hubert Green

Both were massively aided
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Hey 3LT glD see nothing has changed. It gives me great pleasure to know you will go to your grave a bitter man. You make a great left coaster. Always good to blame others and take no responsibility yourself. It is the new American way. While you are at take a knee for the anthem as well.
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Hey 3LT glD see nothing has changed. It gives me great pleasure to know you will go to your grave a bitter man. You make a great left coaster. Always good to blame others and take no responsibility yourself. It is the new American way. While you are at take a knee for the anthem as well.
Kids have the responsibility. There is an E next to their names, and their careers end.

Meanwhile, your pocket blues?

No accountability. They just show up year after year and get paid.

You are the worst kind of hypocrite RW. Excuse their ineptitude as long as your side benefits.

When it doesn't, bleat like a stuck pig.

LOL

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