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uwApoligist

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I was responding to a club (US Federal Government) taking 1/3 of every member's earnings.  Now you're adding insurance money for old age and medical care, state taxes citizens can avoid, and property taxes citizens can avoid.  There is no mandate for citizens to pay 1/3 of their income to the Government.  It was spin to make taxation look like a bad thing.  

I ask again, how does anybody ask our young men and women to sacrifice their life for a Government who steals from their citizens and pi**es most of the money away?  I can remember when the Right said this was a great Country.

It is a great country.  Just need to stop taking money from hard working folks and giving it to layabouts.  Then we will make the country great again.

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Layabouts steal money from Americans and pi** it away.  How can you label that great?
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Layabouts steal money from Americans and pi** it away.  How can you label that great?

Just saying when we get rid of the layabouts stealing money from Americans and pissing it away, it will be great.

You no read english?

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Most on the Right believe this Country is great now.
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Most on the Right believe this Country is great now.


Most on the left don't.

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Most on the Right believe this Country is great now.

Many voted for Trump and his Make America Great Again agenda.

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Of course the Left knows this Country is the greatest on the planet.  Same with our Government.  In fact, this thread was specifically designed for open minded people to hear that perspective from a person on the left and avoid the spin and misinformation so often spread by the Right.  Why the Right spreads falsehoods like that I can't explain.
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Of course the Left knows this Country is the greatest on the planet.  Same with our Government.  In fact, this thread was specifically designed for open minded people to hear that perspective from a person on the left and avoid the spin and misinformation so often spread by the Right.  Why the Right spreads falsehoods like that I can't explain.


Why do so many on the left threaten to leave the country if a GOP president is elected?

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It could be a fear of nuclear war.  It could be hyperbole, like Trump often uses, that some take too literally.  That said, I didn't believe any of them were going to leave so I think it was just talk.  When Trump says millions of illegals voted, or that our elections are rigged, I tend to think he is not joking.
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Lol - not being in the US won’t save them in the event of nuclear war.
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It could be a fear of nuclear war.  It could be hyperbole, like Trump often uses, that some take too literally.  That said, I didn't believe any of them were going to leave so I think it was just talk.  When Trump says millions of illegals voted, or that our elections are rigged, I tend to think he is not joking.


Another question.  Michelle Obama said that, upon BHO's first election, it was the first time in her life that she was proud of the country.  Know anyone on the right who has said something like that?

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Another question.  Michelle Obama said that, upon BHO's first election, it was the first time in her life that she was proud of the country.  Know anyone on the right who has said something like that?


uh oh...
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I heard somebody on the Right say this Country isn't great until we stop wasting money on layabouts.
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I heard somebody on the Right say this Country isn't great until we stop wasting money on layabouts.


was that person in a position of prominence like the wife of the POTUS? 

was that person making a blatantly racist statement, showing her inner corruptness?
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The first Lady was inarticulate and corrected her comments later.  I know it wasn't what she meant.  On the other hand, this President continues to suggest this Country isn't great.
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The Right has spent years trying to spin a story that Michelle Obama is not proud of her Country.  They claim an inarticulate comment is evidence since few people make mistakes with words.  I can't explain why they want to push this story but, as this thread is designed to do, I can tell you the Left's perspective is that both the Obama's are very proud of this great Country.  That's the other side of the story.
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A trolling we will go, a trolling we will go......

I finally get it. Every time they act like they can't understand simple logic and make false claims.........

A trolling we will go, a trolling we will go.

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I heard somebody on the Right say this Country isn't great until we stop wasting money on layabouts.

Of course they said that.  Wasting money on layabouts is a bad idea.

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When was the year the Right didn't believe this Country pi**ed away money on layabouts?
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Dozens of threads for the Right to repeat the false accusation that the Obama's don't like America (can't explain why they continuously do this) and they come to this one to repeat it again.  As I said, I can't stop the barrage from the Right but I can provide the other side of the story.
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A trolling we will go, a trolling we will go......

I finally get it. Every time they act like they can't understand simple logic and make false claims.........

A trolling we will go, a trolling we will go.


Pretty much have Dewey/Wyll/UWA nailed right there.
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When was the year the Right didn't believe this Country pi**ed away money on layabouts?

During Reagan and into Clinton.  Economy grew nicely.

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I remember Republicans saying we were wasting money on layabouts even during those Administrations.
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I remember Republicans saying we were wasting money on layabouts even during those Administrations.

I am sure some money was still being wasted on layabouts.  The idea is to minimize the burden of the lazy on the backs of the hard working.

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Clinton signed welfare reform.

Dems used to care about this issue
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Clinton signed welfare reform. Dems used to care about this issue

Some argue was a direct result from the Reagan Tax Cuts.

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Clinton signing the bill was? That would be odd.

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I'm not going to make a case the Right doesn't believe this to be a great Country.  Of course they do.  Someone wanted an example of a comment gone awry so I offered one up.  Open minded people can rest assured our political differences do not represent any differences when it comes to love of Country.
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Condescending - drink
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I guess your other point is that anyone who thinks that they are entitled to keep their own money, who think that the government is too large and waste money and who think that entitlements have grown too big and so want government spending to be cut are not patriotic.  You now define patriotism as only a Democrat principle because you want big government that is unquestioned and uncontrolled while demanding that people pay up and keep their mouths shut.  Wow!


Why do you guys feel it's necessary to paraphrase what we say before you comment? It would be more honest to take the post, as written and work with that. Will's point is that exaggerating the percentages of the tax amount only provide a misleading accounting of it's impact. What he said was:

A married couple takes a $24,000 standard deduction and pays tax on about $86,000.  Tax is about $9900 or 9% of their $110,000 income.

Describing their tax burden as 33% is misleading because it doesn't take into account the standard or itemized deductions. 

THAT is what he said.

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