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bluedog

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Neither was Hitler..........
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Neither was Hitler..........


Got a point there

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Idaho, Nebraska, and Utah all voted in favor of Medicaid expansion. Red States are slowly understanding the importance of preventive care access for those who can’t afford it. More reason to call election day a good day.





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Election day was a good day until we found out about the cheating, who said that it wasn't?
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She's been found incompetent. To be cheating, you must prove intent. Can you?
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Another lie by the LIE Club of scotty and duaine, they should admit they need the illegal vote to win

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In fact, according to court records, lawyers for Democratic candidates Andrew Gillum and Sen. Bill Nelson — both of whom lost during the first count — actually tried to get the vote of a non-citizen to count.

 

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Arresting people who are in the political system is quickly becoming a dinosaur...........It's at-the-point where if you arrest one you gotta arrest most of 'em.............We've reached a point-of- no-return.........
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Palm Beach County transcript
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Will_I_Wynn

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Does that mean Junior has been indicted?


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Nicole Wallace - "You can't ever stop talking about how abnormal the behavior of the leader of the free world is."

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Palm Beach County transcript
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Will_I_Wynn

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This question went unanswered last time so I’ll try again here.

We all know employers are known to change health plans at times. I think it’s safe to say Obama knew this as well. With that in mind, how can anyone think Obama didn’t know some Americans, thanks to an employer changing their insurance Company, would see a policy change or a doctor change?




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These instances are not accounted for in the millions the ACA caused their policies to be cancelled.
woody

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Yeah Dewey, just keeping parsing and twisting your way around the fact that the ACA screwed average working people and massively increased their insurance premiums and deductibles. Socialist own this turd, and no amount of talking points can change it.
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If Obama knew some employers would change insurance companies, which meant many employees would end up with new policies and new doctors, what do you think was in Obama’s mind when he said “you can keep your doctor”?


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Nicole Wallace - "You can't ever stop talking about how abnormal the behavior of the leader of the free world is."

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Damning stuff from Forbes:

If you read the Affordable Care Act when it was passed, you knew that it was dishonest for President Obama to claim that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan,” as he did—and continues to do—on countless occasions. And we now know that the administration knew this all along. It turns out that in an obscure report buried in a June 2010 edition of the Federal Register, administration officials predicted massive disruption of the private insurance market.

The second article, by Lisa Myers and Hanna Rappleye of NBC News, unearthed the aforementioned commentary in the Federal Register, and cited “four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act” as saying that “50 to 75 percent” of people who buy coverage on their own are likely to receive cancellation notices due to Obamacare.

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

Now, supporters of the law are offering a different argument. “We didn’t really mean it when we said you could keep your plan,” they say, “but it doesn’t matter, because the coverage you’re going to get under Obamacare will be better than the coverage you had before.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/amp/
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If a person thought Obama believed no employer in America would change insurance companies, and therefore everyone in America would keep their policy and their doctor, then I can understand why a person would believe Obama was being dishonest. But we should know that Obama knew that was an impossibility, as we all knew, and his words had a different meaning, as he explained in a news conference.




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“You can keep your doctor, you can keep your policy” = We (Obamacare) are not taking over the healthcare industry as the Right is claiming. You will not be required to purchase insurance from the exchange and you will not be required to switch to a Government supplied doctor. You can remain in the private market if that is your wish.

Once an individual learns what the meaning of Obama’s words were, it all falls into place.


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Nicole Wallace - "You can't ever stop talking about how abnormal the behavior of the leader of the free world is."

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Never seen a more pathetic individual wasting away his last years. You are a tormented soul. I hope you find peace
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“You can keep your doctor, you can keep your policy” = We (Obamacare) are not taking over the healthcare industry as the Right is claiming. You will not be required to purchase insurance from the exchange and you will not be required to switch to a Government supplied doctor. You can remain in the private market if that is your wish.

Once an individual learns what the meaning of Obama’s words were, it all falls into place.

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If you wish?? More like if you can afford the now exorbitant costs. This was not an accident, but by Socialist design. Single payer, government administered HC to a subservient population was the desired result. That's why Socialist want a large omnipresent government. Control of the masses is in their ideology. Free will, individualism and control of one's own destiny have no place in their world. It's all about imposing a political ideology on those that would object to the control of the masses by a self proclaimed enlightened group of elite thinkers, who know whats best for you. Piss off Socialists.

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With convoluted thinking like this, it is understandable that you would draw the conclusions you have about government. Everything you believe is predicated on the assumption that anyone to the right of the tea party is part of a great socialist plot to take your freedoms. When you visualize people in such rigid, unrealistic terms, it is not hard to believe you take the positions you do. There are many shades of left and to lump everyone into some misguided vision of the furthest extremes in every position is intellectually dishonest. I'm sure it confirms your hatred of all things progressive, but it is not helpful in finding common ground. 
Question.......Do these statements really portray your true beliefs, or are they extreme in nature, to allow the center compromise position to be moved further to the right? Is there room for compromise from the hard line beliefs you espouse?

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Just remember. Left is never right
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The national government exists for 2 reasons.  1) Provide a common defense, 2) take away our rights.
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The Federal government has certainly exceeded their authority as described in the constitution and intruded into powers specifically enumerated to the states. If objecting to that somehow makes me some far right extremist, then so be it. Your Socialist ideology isn’t what this country was founded upon. Individual freedoms and liberties and limits on an authoritarian tyrannical government were why this nation fought a war for its independence. Read up on it sometime. The founding fathers wrote the constitution the way they did in order to guarantee local and state control of government by individuals, not Federal agencies.
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The constitution was written to allow the republic to change with the times. This is something you righties have a hard time adjusting to. Every freedom you speak of has been altered through a process established by the founding fathers. Can you name a law that was passed illegally? trump is the only president in our lifetimes that would write laws on his own if allowed to. And what self serving laws these would be. What current laws do we have that were not passed in a manner set forth by the constitution? You might not like them, but they are the way this works. 
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When the Federal government steps outside of the limited powers given to it by the Constitution you could say any and all of those laws are illegal.
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Example?
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Instituting a tax on individuals for not having health insurance.
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Instituting a tax on individuals for not having health insurance.

Charging fees on people for not having health insurance, oh wait you are right it is a tax, that is what allows the government to collect it, no wait it is not a tax, as taxes have to start in the house, get passed by the senate and signed into law by the President and surely SCOTUS would reject a tax that did not come through the legislature, so this is a fee that the government collects just a like a tax. 

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How was this done outside the constitutional process?
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Fresh has a new buzzword today. Constitution.
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