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Will_I_Wynn

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More misinformation being bandied about so time for the other side of the story...


- Most Democrats favored cuts in the corporate tax rates.  This should have been a stand alone bill.

- Most Democrats are against cuts in rates to wealthy people.  It's nothing more than borrowing from future generations to make wealthier people wealthier.  It's why Democrats and most Americans are against the new tax law.

- Lower Corporate taxes will result in some of their tax windfall going to their employees.  To do otherwise would be to destroy employee morale.

- Most Democrats feel lower taxes to wealthy families only trickles down to their kids and their savings accounts.

- Individuals who are business owners use our 10, 15, and 25% tax rates.  If they make more than that, they'll find a way to use corporate rates.  Explaining how rich individuals needed a tax break falls mostly on deaf ears.

- Wal Mart is increasing their minimum wage.  Democrats always knew increasing the minimum wage does not hurt workers.

- If we take billions from the next generation to give to this generation, Democrats have a problem seeing any gain.  We were $700 billion short of paying our bills and Republicans thought we had extra money to offer tax relief.  I offer my apologies to young and future Americans.






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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

I'm with both Obama and Trump on congressional authorization for bombing Syria.  Too bad one was giving his word while one was giving us a head fake.


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I'll only address the minimum wage comment which is, of course, another disingenuous comment from the liar-in-chief of this forum.

Minimum wage, when mandated by government fiat, has been proven time and time again to hurt workers by negatively impacting employment.

Minimum wage, when voluntarily adopted by an individual business, is a decision they make based on how they think it will impact their business.

Two completely different things.

You're welcome.

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More misinformation being bandied about so time for the other side of the story...


- Most Democrats favored cuts in the corporate tax rates.  This should have been a stand alone bill.  How can you suggest otherwise when most Democrats were upset with the tax cuts?  In fact, their opposition to the tax cuts continues to be a major talking point.  Several times, the suggestion made by many is that after the November elections, the tax bill will be repealed.  

- Most Democrats are against cuts in rates to wealthy people.  It's nothing more than borrowing from future generations to make wealthier people wealthier.  It's why Democrats and most Americans are against the new tax law.  Most American?  Well, I guess that would be accurate if you go by polls.  Polls have been proven that they no longer are reliable at all.  When you poll people in major population centers where they have been lied to and deceived as a CBS Poll demonstrated, then of course they are opposed to any tax cuts to the wealthy.  However, I doubt seriously that "most American" is accurate at all.  Reference hiLIARy winning in a landslide.  They same shock you felt then is the reality of how accurate your polls are.

- Lower Corporate taxes will result in some of their tax windfall going to their employees.  To do otherwise would be to destroy employee morale.  How can you dispute the vast number of corporations mentioning that they are giving huge bonuses, pay increases, incentives etc. to their worker?  

- Most Democrats feel lower taxes to wealthy families only trickles down to their kids and their savings accounts.  I'd suggest that this is exactly the liberal idea.  Liberals want socialism and communism.  They want everyone to be equal.  As an FYI I'm not equal to anyone.  

- Individuals who are business owners use our 10, 15, and 25% tax rates.  If they make more than that, they'll find a way to use corporate rates.  Explaining how rich individuals needed a tax break falls mostly on deaf ears.

- Wal Mart is increasing their minimum wage.  Democrats always knew increasing the minimum wage does not hurt workers.  So, now that they do this, and you know in your heart that they are giving this incentive due to the tax cuts, you have demonstrate desperation by saying that they would have done it all along?  Come on!

- If we take billions from the next generation to give to this generation, Democrats have a problem seeing any gain.  We were $700 billion short of paying our bills and Republicans thought we had extra money to offer tax relief.  I offer my apologies to young and future Americans. Their gain is in jobs and a future.  You don't like this because it take power away from your party who needs economic slavery to keep people down.  







I don't want to pile on but much of this post is disingenuous.

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No sources from Dewyllie, just his ramblings.  When he says "most", he means himself and the voices.

Who knew all it took to get a raise in minimum wage was to allow the GOP to control all three branches of government.
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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn

- Most Democrats are against cuts in rates to wealthy people.  It's nothing more than borrowing from future generations to make wealthier people wealthier.  It's why Democrats and most Americans are against the new tax law.

- Lower Corporate taxes will result in some of their tax windfall going to their employees.  To do otherwise would be to destroy employee morale.

- Wal Mart is increasing their minimum wage.  Democrats always knew increasing the minimum wage does not hurt workers.


With proper spending restraint we would not need to borrow anything from the chillruns.

Your lack of understanding how investment happens explains a lot on why things never came together for you. 

Lower corporate taxes only have 3 places to go.  Invest directly in business (management says we know how to turn that investment into more profit),  invest in other businesses (management saying we believe we can pick other companies that can make more money than us), or dividend the money to stock holders (manage saying we don't know what the frick, so here is some money back for you to invest cause you are probably smarter). 

All of them end up invested in additional businesses, creating jobs.   Money never goes poof.   When your dem friends dream up these elaborate schemes, ask them where they think that money ends up.  It has to go somewhere.

Democrats knew increased wages helped workers.  Unfortunately they still got it totally wrong.  Forced governmental increases in wages always results in less employment, always has always will.  Market driven increase in wages, that is what moves workers forward.  

Also dems further shoot themselves in the foot by flooding a number of industries, like building, shipping, and cleaning trades, with mass numbers of low wage illegal immigrants.  This does more to erode the worker mans salary than any other single action in the American economy.

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Will_I_Wynn

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It appears the Right would like to tell both sides of the story.  Unfortunately, they cannot tell the Left how to think.  Our opinions can't be dismissed.

The tax bill begs the question so many on the Right like to ask.  Why didn't the GOP double or triple the tax cut?  It would appear there is no limit.  If so, where does it lie?

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

I'm with both Obama and Trump on congressional authorization for bombing Syria.  Too bad one was giving his word while one was giving us a head fake.


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It appears the left would like to make up the story with phony numbers and claims about the right.

There will always be good folks here keeping tabs on dewyllie.
keepinitreal

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"- Wal Mart is increasing their minimum wage. Democrats always knew increasing the minimum wage does not hurt workers."

Then they shuttered stores laying many people off

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Cue the Jeopardy music
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
uwApoligist

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
It appears the Right would like to tell both sides of the story.  Unfortunately, they cannot tell the Left how to think.  Our opinions can't be dismissed.

The tax bill begs the question so many on the Right like to ask.  Why didn't the GOP double or triple the tax cut?  It would appear there is no limit.  If so, where does it lie?

We could definitely cut more.  Hopefully they are practicing incrementalism.  Get this win, cement it in, get the the spending cuts, rinse repeat.

No limit.  hmm, we has zero income tax until 1918, except some for the civil war.  Of course that makes no sense in the modern world. 

But getting the federal government back focused on defense only makes the most sense for the American people.  Let the states take on education and health care.  It is what makes sense, it is way less bureaucracy, way more nimble, states can experiment, create different approaches, adopt what works best. 

Not trying to tell you how to think.  Just telling you should try thinking.  You think money go poof?  

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Will_I_Wynn

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Our Country spends $4T and takes in $3.2T.  We're losing close to $1 Trillion again.  Too many Americans think some of our expenditures are unnecessary and unfortunately say, "Not me, let somebody else pay for it."

Some Americans think health insurance is too high and will use our ER's if they ever get sick or hurt.  "Insurance is too high and I refuse to for pay it.  Let somebody else pay if I'm sick."

Many Americans will support military action against North Korea as they did in Iraq.  Unfortunately, they feel they've paid enough in taxes and will support borrowing to pay for these wars.  In other words, "Let somebody else pay for it."

Self reliance is in the eye of the beholder.






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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

I'm with both Obama and Trump on congressional authorization for bombing Syria.  Too bad one was giving his word while one was giving us a head fake.


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When you get that spending down (you won't because it's mostly important spending in the eyes of Americans) I'll favor American tax cuts.  Until then, our political disagreement only harms the innocent.  We'll bask in the money coming our way and ignore what we're doing to others.  (Almost sounds like the climate change argument, huh?)
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

I'm with both Obama and Trump on congressional authorization for bombing Syria.  Too bad one was giving his word while one was giving us a head fake.


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Well we had the votes to get the taxes cuts.  You had the votes to get the crazy spending frenzy.

I guess we will figure out the difference at some point.

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Has dewy contemplated intended consequences of the tax cuts? His post above, way above, looks like he listed the pros of the tax cuts after his 6 pages of make believe cons
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Will_I_Wynn

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As I illustrated in sharing the other side of the story, we've had 17 years of spending growth limited to 3.8% on average.  Excellent record of restrained spending contrary to what is spewed by the Right who works hard to convince Americans we spend like crazy.  It's untrue and the intention is to disguise tax relief as being acceptable.

While the annual growth in spending was a little higher under President Bush than it was during the Obama years, it was restrained outside of wars and the Part D prescription program.  With that in mind, he was labeled by his own supporters as being a big spender and horrible at controlling our debt.  He was largely condemned by many on the Right and the Tea Party rose in outrage. 

This time around, a President Trump is almost certainly going to grow spending at higher percentage growth levels than President Bush and it's nearly a guarantee he'll add more to our total debt (not by percentage but by dollars) than President Bush and yet it appears it's of little consequence to the Right anymore.  Incredible change in attitude. 


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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

I'm with both Obama and Trump on congressional authorization for bombing Syria.  Too bad one was giving his word while one was giving us a head fake.


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Incredible
MAGA

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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You said it KIR. Will with another version of Spin, Rinse , Repeat. Like flipping through cable and landing on Young and the Restless. Still talking about the same stuff 15 years later.
keepinitreal

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You said it KIR. Will with another version of Spin, Rinse , Repeat. Like flipping through cable and landing on Young and the Restless. Still talking about the same stuff 15 years later.

You've been around awhile brother if you remember spin, rinse, repeat
  • Castigate,
  • Deflect,
  • Preach,
  • Patronize,
  • Move goalposts

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Thankfully gop house held big spender Obama in check or his record debt would be 1.26 trillion higher.

For our children’s sake, thank you John Boehner.
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Durden, you liberals will never understand the deficit is meaningless............It'll never get paid-back..........

You're welcome for the lesson...........
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Durden, you liberals will never understand the DEBT is meaningless............It'll never get paid-back..........

You're welcome for the lesson...........

FTFY and Right back at ya

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Come on spaz - you've got to leave that stuff up there
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He can't help himself.........
Will_I_Wynn

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- Candidate Trump unfairly diminished multiple GOP primary opponents with labels like "liar" and "pathological".

- Candidate Trump inappropriately reached out for help from our foreign adversary for help to win the election.  They obliged.

- Candidate Trump unfairly told voters his final Presidential opponent was a crook and would be indicted if she won.  It was not true.

- President Trump ultimately won the necessary votes but his win was not fair and square in the minds of millions due to his unfair and false claims which many found akin to cheating.

- Millions of his fellow Republicans are angry he is our President.  This should not be ignored.

- Millions and millions of those who didn't vote for Trump are angry he is our President.  This should not be a surprise when considering his methods used to win.

- Millions of minorities, numerous organizations within our Country, and many of our allies around the world are extremely unhappy President Trump is in the White House.  This should be of concern to all of us.

- This is where we are almost one year into the Trump Presidency.  These are the views of those who feel how you win, and how you govern, matters.  This is the other side of the story.






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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

I'm with both Obama and Trump on congressional authorization for bombing Syria.  Too bad one was giving his word while one was giving us a head fake.


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Illegal immigration at a 17 year low.
Stock market record highs
Black unemployment record low
Getting closer to an immigration system that makes sense for the American worker, not one built to directly attack workers.
Tax Cuts put money back in the pocket of American workers.
Getting our massively out of control federal bureaucracy under control.
Taking the war directly to ISIS. 
Exposing obama's criminal behavior as president.
Exposing the Clintons as criminals

That is where we are, and it is pretty good.  

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- Candidate Trump unfairly diminished multiple GOP primary opponents with labels like "liar" and "pathological".  Please don't think us ignorant.  Dirty campaigns are the norm and have been for a very long time.  The attack against Grover Cleveland was that he had relations with a lady out of wedlock and had an illegitimate son.  "Ma Ma, where's my Pa?  Gone to the White House ha ha ha."  

- Candidate Trump inappropriately reached out for help from our foreign adversary for help to win the election.  They obliged.  This has not only not been proven, it appears that your party actually did collude with a foreign power, Russia.

- Candidate Trump unfairly told voters his final Presidential opponent was a crook and would be indicted if she won.  It was not true.  We will find out about this since she was protected by party faithful in the FBI.  My gosh, how many more text have to be exposed to demonstrate to you just how corrupt these FBI agents were?  

- President Trump ultimately won the necessary votes but his win was not fair and square in the minds of millions due to his unfair and false claims which many found akin to cheating.  So, you put down the millions who did and do support this president?  Our millions trump your millions, (see what I did there) since he is the President.  

- Millions of his fellow Republicans are angry he is our President.  This should not be ignored.  Really?  I can think of a lot of Democrats who were not happy with Obama.  Again, typical but maybe liberals in California are unaware of this.  How the Sanders supporters doing?  

- Millions and millions of those who didn't vote for Trump are angry he is our President.  This should not be a surprise when considering his methods used to win.  Millions and millions of Trump supporters are excited to have a non politically correct President.  WRT his methods, I despised Obama using Hollywood to promote his cause and then going on late night TV for all to worship him.  

- Millions of minorities, numerous organizations within our Country, and many of our allies around the world are extremely unhappy President Trump is in the White House.  This should be of concern to all of us.  I hate to break this to you but there are millions of those minority voters who support Trump.  

- This is where we are almost one year into the Trump Presidency.  These are the views of those who feel how you win, and how you govern, matters.  This is the other side of the story.  Snowflake meltdown!






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- Candidate Trump unfairly diminished multiple GOP primary opponents with labels like "liar" and "pathological".

- Candidate Trump inappropriately reached out for help from our foreign adversary for help to win the election.  They obliged.

- Candidate Trump unfairly told voters his final Presidential opponent was a crook and would be indicted if she won.  It was not true.

- President Trump ultimately won the necessary votes but his win was not fair and square in the minds of millions due to his unfair and false claims which many found akin to cheating.

- Millions of his fellow Republicans are angry he is our President.  This should not be ignored.

- Millions and millions of those who didn't vote for Trump are angry he is our President.  This should not be a surprise when considering his methods used to win.

- Millions of minorities, numerous organizations within our Country, and many of our allies around the world are extremely unhappy President Trump is in the White House.  This should be of concern to all of us.

- This is where we are almost one year into the Trump Presidency.  These are the views of those who feel how you win, and how you govern, matters.  This is the other side of the story.







What is the point of this post?  Trump did nothing illegal, unlike the DNC's screwing of Sanders.  This is the height of sour grapes.

By the way, the country is doing just fine but you clearly are not happy about that since it's not with a D in the White House.

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Obama said if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor.
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Rather than just posting an emotional diatribe like the name-changer Dewey, I will post links to real substance:

Obama knew in August 2016 that the Russians were trying to meddle in our election.  Why did he do nothing about it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/23/even-democrats-wanted-obama-to-speak-out-much-sooner-about-russia/?utm_term=.7ccce24fa5a4

Why did the DNC allow Hillary Clinton to assume complete control of its operations when the nomination was stall in doubt?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Why did Donna Brazile give Hillary debate questions ahead of the debate?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/donna-brazile-finally-admits-she-shared-debate-questions-with-clinton-campaign/article/2617742

Isn't it just as likely, if not more likely, that it was Hillary who colluded with the Russians, rather than Trump?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/10/fusion-gpss-ties-to-clinton-campaign-russia-investigation-what-to-know.html

It's highly likely that the meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch was related to taking pressure off Hillary with regard to her illegal email server.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/13/judicial-watch-says-fbi-has-found-clinton-lynch-tarmac-meeting-documents.html

Why has the media not been held to account for their rampant favoritism of everything liberal and how that has a huge impact on skewing all polling?

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/media-malpractice-media-bias-and-2016-election/



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What is the point of this post?  Trump did nothing illegal, unlike the DNC's screwing of Sanders.  This is the height of sour grapes.

By the way, the country is doing just fine but you clearly are not happy about that since it's not with a D in the White House.


The point of the post is dewy proving he is no longer a Happy Democrat. Looks like his attitude and his demeanor have gone to the schitter in just a few months time

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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