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Typical corporations are bad talk from someone that has no clue how profits and American ingenuity drive the economy
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Will, think I'm going to leave it with you. These dark web conservatives have outlived their usefullness to me. In the beginning, I was hearing things that were new to me, but they've become repetitive and are disinterested in the truth. Like their fearless leader, trump, they refuse to admit when they are on the wrong track or just plain clueless. All the good is a result of a republican president or congress and all the bad from their democratic counterparts. The constant need to demean the opposing individual and cut and paste conservative dogma is bringing nothing new to the table. I'll continue to check in now and then, but I'll be better served finding another source of conservative opinion. I can watch Fox and get the same stuff. The conversation has turned even more mean spirited than in the past. They sing to their own choir. 

Unfortunately, the quest for truth ain't in 'em.
This is not aimed at Mikec, Bill Smith or Bluedog. I believe they are sincere.

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The conversation has turned even more mean spirited than in the past. They sing to their own choir.


Says the person that calls people racist and Ivanka Trump a b1tch.

Edit to add:  And ran away from any substantive debate, even when given the chance to pick the subject.

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By Freshie.
We will add your name to the list of liberals that have come here thinking they knew it all and would set us dumb rednecks straight only to suffer an intellectual beat down and slink away licking their wounds. Of course, like you, their parting shot was always based on the fallacy that they won and we are all just too tiring and inferior to see the great intellectual ways of libs

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See you around.  Catch you on the flip side.

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"You do not get to decide who gets credit for this booming economy."

The fact is we all do.  We added $47 billion to Government revenue in FY2017 (1.4%).  The job participation rate was lower in December than January and jobs added in 2017 were lowest number in the last six or so years.  The economy is continuing to roll along at a decent level but some are over-hyping the results in order to make President Trump look special.  This is precisely why it's good to have someone on the Left give the other side of the story.


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 This is precisely why it's good to have someone on the Left give the other side of the story.


Or your version of it.  You are as bad, or worse, than those on the right giving President Trump credit for no airline fatalities.

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Or your version of it.  You are as bad, or worse, than those on the right giving President Trump credit for no airline fatalities.

no airline fatalities... hmm.  I had not heard that one.  impressive.
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There are many threads to champion President Trump.  Many opportunities to hype or praise what he has done and many threads to express the belief everyone is against him.  The press is against him, the FBI, the intelligence community, the DOJ, the RNC, the BLS, the Fed, election officials, the courts, CNN, the Generals, and Steve Bannon to name a few.  There are many threads open to making claims Democrats are insane, blind, or just plain wrong.  Members who support the "Right view of the story"  are free to do it here as well but this thread will continue to offer up the other side of the story for open minded individuals to take into consideration.   
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

After being subjected to our first black President being called a liar, over and over, black Americans must fume when they hear the angry Right say they don't care about this President failing to be straight with the American people.  Can anyone blame them?  Trump should be honest with the American people.


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And there are those of us here that will factually refute your stories as you make them up.
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There are many threads to champion President Trump.  Many opportunities to hype or praise what he has done and many threads to express the belief everyone is against him.  The press is against him, the FBI, the intelligence community, the DOJ, the RNC, the BLS, the Fed, election officials, the courts, CNN, the Generals, and Steve Bannon to name a few.  There are many threads open to making claims Democrats are insane, blind, or just plain wrong.  Members who support the "Right view of the story"  are free to do it here as well but this thread will continue to be boresome and chuck full of drivel for the not so open minded individuals to take into consideration.   
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By Freshie. We will add your name to the list of liberals that have come here thinking they knew it all and would set us dumb rednecks straight only to suffer an intellectual beat down and slink away licking their wounds. Of course, like you, their parting shot was always based on the fallacy that they won and we are all just too tiring and inferior to see the great intellectual ways of libs


Exactly right. Another notch on our bedpost.

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"This is disingenuous to suggest that tax revenues suffered because of tax cuts."


Here is the record under President Bush:

Year              Actual Revenue              What revenue should have been

2000              $2.03T                          $2.03T
2001              $2.00T                          $2.13T
2002              $1.85T                          $2.23T
2003              $1.78T                          $2.34T
2004              $1.88T                          $2.46T
2005              $2.15T                          $2.58T
2006              $2.40T                          $2.71T
2007              $2.57T                          $2.85T
2008              $2.52T                          $2.99T
2009              $2.10T                          $3.14T

Even if we stop at 2008, prior to the collapse, and even if we agree other factors affected tax revenue, it seems clear tax cuts contributed to lower revenues from where we otherwise would have been.  Not sure why the Right is adamant about blaming every other factor but lower tax rates for our drop in revenue.

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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

After being subjected to our first black President being called a liar, over and over, black Americans must fume when they hear the angry Right say they don't care about this President failing to be straight with the American people.  Can anyone blame them?  Trump should be honest with the American people.


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about as adamant as you are about not blaming the left for the increase in spending.
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"This is disingenuous to suggest that tax revenues suffered because of tax cuts."


Here is the record under President Bush:

Year              Actual Revenue              What revenue should have been

2000              $2.03T                          $2.03T
2001              $2.00T                          $2.13T
2002              $1.85T                          $2.23T
2003              $1.78T                          $2.34T
2004              $1.88T                          $2.46T
2005              $2.15T                          $2.58T
2006              $2.40T                          $2.71T
2007              $2.57T                          $2.85T
2008              $2.52T                          $2.99T
2009              $2.10T                          $3.14T

Even if we stop at 2008, prior to the collapse, and even if we agree other factors affected tax revenue, it seems clear tax cuts contributed to lower revenues from where we otherwise would have been.  Not sure why the Right is adamant about blaming every other factor but lower tax rates for our drop in revenue.


Correlation does not equal causation.  Try to show us the actual relationship.  And where do you get your what revenue should have been numbers?

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From 1980-1990 we doubled in size in Government revenue ($.519T to $1.031T) and from 1990-2000 we doubled again ($1.031T to $2.025T).  I used a more conservative number to try and be fair in my comparison of the Bush years.  Some would use our past history and say our revenue should be $4T in 2010 and they would have a good point.  Tax cuts from the Bush Administration are surely killing us when it comes to tax revenue.

It is very difficult to convince those on the Right that tax cuts are stifling Government revenue but it's very easy to use the exact revenue numbers from previous years to make a case they are hurting us dearly.

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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

After being subjected to our first black President being called a liar, over and over, black Americans must fume when they hear the angry Right say they don't care about this President failing to be straight with the American people.  Can anyone blame them?  Trump should be honest with the American people.


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So you literally made those numbers up
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From 1980-1990 we doubled in size in Government revenue ($.519T to $1.031T) and from 1990-2000 we doubled again ($1.031T to $2.025T).  I used a more conservative number to try and be fair in my comparison of the Bush years.  Some would use our past history and say our revenue should be $4T in 2010 and they would have a good point.  Tax cuts from the Bush Administration are surely killing us when it comes to tax revenue.

It is very difficult to convince those on the Right that tax cuts are stifling Government revenue but it's very easy to use the exact revenue numbers from previous years to make a case they are hurting us dearly.


So what the revenue should have been comes from you.  You, who is not an economist, who is a novice when it comes to how the government works, who really has no professional basis to make any kind of analysis like that.

Bottom line is that you clearly don't understand the very basic idea of how keeping more capital in the private markets spurs economic activity which increases the tax base. 

Your entire analysis should be dismissed by the readers as the ramblings of a lying, hypocritical, hyper-partisan name-changer.

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If multiple historical examples show us the US Government doubles its revenue every ten years, I can easily make the case it will double again in the next ten years.  However, I reduced this estimate of where our revenue should have been, based on historical evidence, in order to be more conservative in my case.

Here is another one.  In 1984-1994 we went from $.67T to $1.26T, a little under double (88%).  I reduced my estimate to 55% in the example above.
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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

After being subjected to our first black President being called a liar, over and over, black Americans must fume when they hear the angry Right say they don't care about this President failing to be straight with the American people.  Can anyone blame them?  Trump should be honest with the American people.


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You guys definitely get a trophy and by your participation here, [you 3 + dewy] are the only open-minded members of 50,000 visitors here.  Great job to all, take a bow for what you have done for the readers.

Don't believe the internet but believe dewy's fake numbers

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"So you literally made those numbers up?"

I used 5% annual revenue growth which was a smaller and more conservative number than the previous two decades of financial history showed.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

After being subjected to our first black President being called a liar, over and over, black Americans must fume when they hear the angry Right say they don't care about this President failing to be straight with the American people.  Can anyone blame them?  Trump should be honest with the American people.


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So, that would be Yes.
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By the way, we're all arguing the wrong thing.

I, for one, want tax revenues to not go up.  That just means an ever-increasing government footprint.  The best way to limit the impact of the federal government, what all true patriots know to be best, is to limit how much it can piss away on meaningless BS.

Here is what I want the government to do - provide a temporary safety net for people who have fallen on hard times and keep us safe from threats.  That's it.  That's all it was ever intended to do and all it should do.  Everything else should be handled by state and local governments.

Social security is unnecessary and should be very slowly phased out so that nobody who currently relies on it is impacted.  All health protection should occur in the private sector or state by state.  We should move to a flat tax and abolish the IRS.  The government doesn't need to manage education - shut down the department of education. Privatize Amtrak and the postal service.  End the ridiculously unaffordable pensions that government workers don't have to do much to earn.

We are so off from our founding ideals that we've lost track of what this country is really all about.

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There are many threads to champion President Trump.  Many opportunities to hype or praise what he has done and many threads to express the belief everyone is against him.  The press is against him, the FBI, the intelligence community, the DOJ, the RNC, the BLS, the Fed, election officials, the courts, CNN, the Generals, and Steve Bannon to name a few.  There are many threads open to making claims Democrats are insane, blind, or just plain wrong.  Members who support the "Right view of the story"  are free to do it here as well but this thread will continue to be boresome and chuck full of drivel for the not so open minded individuals to take into consideration.   


#CHUCKFULLOFDRIVEL hehehe yes indeed.

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So, that would be Yes.


I actually thought he forgot to post the link.

Any credibility he might have regained with the name change is gone.

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I, for one, want tax revenues to not go up. 


I've made numerous posts hoping open minded individuals would realize this simple fact.  The GOP encourages deficits in hopes they can force a reduction in Government spending.  It's a simple goal.  Tax cuts forcing lower revenues is their path to supposedly lower Government spending.  Unfortunately, Government spending goes up slightly each year due to inflation and population growth and all the GOP ever accomplishes is increasing our debt. 

I've previously said a balanced budget is the enemy of the GOP when it comes to shrinking Government.  The GOP would have little clout to cut spending if we had a surplus.  The American people would tell them to go away if they tried to reduce programs that we can afford.  Therefore they convince Americans to support less taxes, which provides less Government revenue, and grows our deficit.  The spending doesn't go away and the borrowing just grows.  The only one paying a price is future generations and I'm confident they won't look upon us kindly.  The polling of the American people against this tax bill tell me they finally get  what's going on.  Let's hope it carries on through future elections. 

 

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

After being subjected to our first black President being called a liar, over and over, black Americans must fume when they hear the angry Right say they don't care about this President failing to be straight with the American people.  Can anyone blame them?  Trump should be honest with the American people.


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At least pabar uses the word tax, when he uses revenues, unlike dewy throughout this thread.  He states he wants less tax revenues, dewy has never said that.  Hence the statement that "Democrats never met a tax that they didn't like" still holds true.  This thread is further proof, dewy is open minded because he is pro tax increase,

Dewy = open minded
everyone else = not open minded.

No one else in the forum has come down on dewy's side

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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 Tax cuts forcing lower revenues is their path to supposedly lower Government spending. Unfortunately, Government spending goes up slightly each year due to inflation and population growth and all the GOP ever accomplishes is increasing our debt. 

 


Why so negative, this is a great country remember.  Make it happen and don't be such a Negative Nelly.  Use some of that negative energy that you have spent here since your return and come up with solutions instead of complaining.  When you're making and selling fittings [widgets] do you continuously look for ways to overspend more than you have?

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Btw, I understand other Americans have a different idea as to how this Country should operate than I and the Left do.  That's the nature of this Country.  My goal is to illustrate the differences in our plans to those searching with open minds.  Americans disagree and that's perfectly fine.  However, our positions need to be clear and sometimes they just aren't.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

After being subjected to our first black President being called a liar, over and over, black Americans must fume when they hear the angry Right say they don't care about this President failing to be straight with the American people.  Can anyone blame them?  Trump should be honest with the American people.


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