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BStandby

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It seems to me that the the facts are pretty straightforward.  1) White had a dispute in regards to salary and chose to leave 2)Oregon hired a head coach with no head coaching experience but a phenomenal resume 3) None of the players quit prior to giving Lombardi a chance. They all went back to the school in the fall and participated. That shows good faith on their part.  For different reasons they all chose to leave and they followed NCAA rules.  

They are in the twilight of their softball careers, they deserve to go out with the program that best fits their needs.  




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Lauren

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I think Maggie Balint's insta is pretty clear that ML is a part of the reason she’s leaving. And likely other players too.

They ALL went back. All of them. Not one tried to leave early. They went and played fall ball and then choose to leave.
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Really?  Because between her "trust" comments on instagram and the post-decision reporting about things she learned in last week's article about how the MW negotiations went down, it sounds to me like her issue was more with the AD or administration than ML.
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People will defend Lombardi on here about everything. It’s obvious that she is the main problem!
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I'm not defending her, don't have a rooting interest one way or the other.  Just connecting dots, at least as it relates to Balint.
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People will defend Lombardi on here about everything. It’s obvious that she is the main problem!

The Oklahoma fans will, that's for sure.

Balint stating she was "miserable" is eye-opening; it is open to interpretation, though.  It could be about ML or the administration, or both. 
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Really?  Because between her "trust" comments on instagram and the post-decision reporting about things she learned in last week's article about how the MW negotiations went down, it sounds to me like her issue was more with the AD or administration than ML.


Agree. Mullins has clearly been talking out of both sides of his mouth. There are things Lombardi can be blamed for, but the Balint transfer isn't one of them. It could be the proverbial "straw", however.

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People will defend Lombardi on here about everything. It’s obvious that she is the main problem!


Do i don’t agree with that.

I think it’s equal blame on the AD and ML. MB is talking about lack of trust and frustration over the past 6 months. That’s not the AD. That’s ML.

But I do think the confirmation the Ducks treated MW ‘badly’ was what made her jump.
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1 thing I know for sure is Lombardi will win as many nattys as White at Oregon. It still amazes me he seems to get a total pass on that front.
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White’s salary in 2019 would have been $240,000. Texas offered him $450,000. According to White, Mullens would not negotiate. White said he didn’t want to leave Oregon, and he implied he would have taken less than $450,000 to stay. Oregon pays an assistant football coach $1.7 million.


https://www.registerguard.com/opinion/20181217/mullens-should-have-fought-to-keep-white-as-softball-coach
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1 thing I know for sure is Lombardi will win as many nattys as White at Oregon. It still amazes me he seems to get a total pass on that front.

And, she'll never win as many PAC titles or have as many WCWS appearances either at the rate she's wrecking that program.

Amazes me that Oregon paid her more than White was earning as she's never been a head coach.  They are getting ripped off from the get-go; they should ask for a partial refund if she doesn't make the NCAA tourney this season.
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If she can be within shouting distance of his performance, she will have earned that big money

There are six coaches in today's game you can plausibly say have done better than he has during his nine-year career. Five Pac titles and five WCWS appearances with two final fours. Oh, and, despite taking over a team that had been 16-34 the year before him, he has never not reached supers.

If ML sniffs that performance (half those Pac title and WCWS appearance frequencies with at least a final four -- or better), then Oregon did well for itself.

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Lombardi is doing a great job . . . for Texas and the other PAC schools!  [rofl]
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And to my point no nattys. Which is the measuring point between good and great.
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Only a few head coaches have won a national title in any sport.  OU's Bob Stoops could only win one with John Blake's football players; had like 15 years to win one with his own players, but couldn't get the job done.  Guess that's why he quit.
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And to my point no nattys. Which is the measuring point between good and great.
Not at all. His accomplishments in Oregon were great. This will be borne out to even the simpletons such as Crazy Chester as the years go by.

You know Robbie Robertson?
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But he will have to win a natty at Texas in that same time frame to keep the rep. Much better in-state talent, and no recruit/family has to fly too far to get there.

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Every single player who has made a public comment on social media has thanked their teammates, the previous coaching staff and they have professed their love for The University of Oregon.  Not one of them has thanked ML or current coaches.  Sometimes what a person fails to say is more telling than what they do.  
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It was a picture of MLK with a football glove on and one of his quotes being used as a recruiting tool.

No, I am not kidding.


https://twitter.com/BillyCorben/status/1087750011692244992
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Every single player who has made a public comment on social media has thanked their teammates, the previous coaching staff and they have professed their love for The University of Oregon.  Not one of them has thanked ML or current coaches.  Sometimes what a person fails to say is more telling than what they do.  

You support trump
I support Lombardi
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I’ve noticed that also Daphne. The players that have left have always thanked their former teammates, previous coaching staff, the university and the fans. I haven’t heard one player that has thanked the current coaches or even mentioned them!
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Maybe we should just let the Oklahoma and Texas fans fight this out - they clearly don't like each other (and aren't averse to using Oregon as their battleground). Reality is seldom black and white, but is more normally gray... 
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Only a few head coaches have won a national title in any sport.  OU's Bob Stoops could only win one with John Blake's football players; had like 15 years to win one with his own players, but couldn't get the job done.  Guess that's why he quit.


Agree on Bob Stoops that’s the reason he doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Barry Switzer and Bud Wilkinson, who both had 3. Wrong guy to get a rise out of me. I thought Bob was kept to long. He was more worried about golf than recruiting the last 5 years and was the reason his brother was on stafff for way to long. His brothers defense has probably cost OU a national championship or 2.

And Throw all the stats you want. I can think of atleast twice White was a 1 seed and didn’t even make the finals. He has to win a championship to put him on the pedestal some of you are putting him on. I fear going to Texas has put him further away from that goal. That school is notorious for being choke artist and under achievers.
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Agree on Bob Stoops that’s the reason he doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Barry Switzer and Bud Wilkinson, who both had 3. Wrong guy to get a rise out of me. I thought Bob was kept to long. He was more worried about golf than recruiting the last 5 years and was the reason his brother was on stafff for way to long. His brothers defense has probably cost OU a national championship or 2.

And Throw all the stats you want. I can think of atleast twice White was a 1 seed and didn’t even make the finals. He has to win a championship to put him on the pedestal some of you are putting him on. I fear going to Texas has put him further away from that goal. That school is notorious for being choke artist and under achievers.

To each their own.

You actually seem kind of obsessed with Coach White.  And, nowhere have I ever put him on a pedestal or predicted any national championships.  You have a tendency on this board to group Oregon fans who support Coach White with Texas fans who don't know a lot about him just yet.

I can't dispute that he hasn't won a national title, even when the overall #1 seed.  He's not the first or only coach to not have that accomplishment under his belt.  You can state that about him on here a thousand times, and it doesn't make it any more or less true.  Bottom line is that he built the Oregon program from the ground up and while competing in a very strong conference.

Lombardi shouldn't even be in a discussion about future national titles any time soon based on the state of her program, regardless of whether or not she is responsible.  Coach White on the other hand, has already elevated the talent at Texas exponentially and a lot sooner than anyone was expecting.  Whether that translates to WCWS and playing for a national championship in the next several years, no one knows.  You seem to have already convinced yourself that he'll never win one at Texas; that's fine.  Maybe that's wishful thinking on your part; or, maybe you can read the future. Regardless, plenty of time to scrutinize/praise his performance at Texas in the coming years.
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Once the final 8 are in the CWS, regardless of their seeding, it would be hard pressed to say that any team would dominate over the other if they hypothetically played a 10 game series. There are always exceptions though, but I’d bet going .500 would not be far off for any team in such a scenario. So holding MW accountable for not winning as the #1 seed isn’t all that fair.
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Agree with Cletis

Only five of the highest-seeded teams at the WCWS have won the natty in the past 14 years (the three-game title series era, which feels like the modern era -- with all five of the P5 conferences having at least one natty)

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Winning the title is not the definition of MW's success. You get to the finals and the bounce of the ball or the fact that the other team has a dominate pitcher can derail the mission. Getting there consistently is proof of a good program.
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So, where do you think Balint will transfer to?
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She will sit this year and transfer to Texas in the 2020 season.
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In my mind great coaching is defined by consistency and the ability to continuously "get there" and give a team the chance to compete for a national championship, not necessarily winning the last couple games.  MW clearly has the ability to get a team to buy in to his methods and those players give more of themselves because they trust him and trust his process.  ML walked into a situation where she is simply not MW.  Like it or not, great teams almost have a cult like vibe and they unexpectedly lost their leader.  
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