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1janiedough

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I suspect it was the shoddy way the Oregon Athletics Department treated White, making only a token effort to retain him, with Mullins, the AD, refusing to even talk with him, that figured into this latest defection. White claimed that Lisa Peterson, the Deputy AD, "laughed at" him when White said he "believed his market value to be around $400,000," which is only $75,000 more than Oregon ended up paying Lombardi. Was it worth it?

The other aspect of this is that White believes that Mullins, after turning down his request, "told Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte that White was using Texas as leverage to renegotiate his deal with Oregon, which White saw as an attempt to undermine his chances of being hired by the Longhorns." Now we know why it took them so long to replace Howe Field - they just didn't really give a cr*p.

So, I doubt that Lombardi, despite her abysmally poor job of selling herself, had much of anything to do with this.



Been saying that all along. Still...those players are the same as White.
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Southie just remember 2nd place is still 1st loser.

Not sure that has anything to do with Janie's constant choice to insult players and coaches on here.  Perhaps you are thinking about something completely unrelated.
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Gawdalmighty, now that's a perspective we haven't heard before.

Oh, wait…

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it, let alone quote it.
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I suspect it was the shoddy way the Oregon Athletics Department treated White, making only a token effort to retain him, with Mullins, the AD, refusing to even talk with him, that figured into this latest defection. White claimed that Lisa Peterson, the Deputy AD, "laughed at" him when White said he "believed his market value to be around $400,000," which is only $75,000 more than Oregon ended up paying Lombardi. Was it worth it?

The other aspect of this is that White believes that Mullins, after turning down his request, "told Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte that White was using Texas as leverage to renegotiate his deal with Oregon, which White saw as an attempt to undermine his chances of being hired by the Longhorns." Now we know why it took them so long to replace Howe Field - they just didn't really give a cr*p.

So, I doubt that Lombardi, despite her abysmally poor job of selling herself, had much of anything to do with this.



It certainly wasnt a secret that they didnt negotiate with White in good faith. White had said that after he accepted the job and the players wouldn't have been surprised by that. Perhaps the fact that they actually tried to sabotage White's job with Texas while telling the players they had done everything to retain White, was an issue for Balint. Whatever it was it seemed to involve a betrayal of trust as Balint had posted just before all this came out that "without Trust there's nothing".
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Flo has her leaving also.
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<< She's sitting out the 2019 season and will head to Texas in 2020. Her Facebook post points to that direction. >> (Spazmon1)


At this point...  I'm surprised that the entire list of players who made any decent contribution to the 2018 Oregon team... 
hasn't defected - with plans of joining MW this year - or next.
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<< This completes White's revenge. >> (SJ28)


SJ28 - That is a tremendous post.

You summed up this entire thing in four words...   perfectly.
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<< I suspect it was the shoddy way the Oregon Athletics Department treated White, making only a token effort to retain him, with Mullins, the AD, refusing to even talk with him, that figured into this latest defection. White claimed that Lisa Peterson, the Deputy AD, "laughed at" him when White said he "believed his market value to be around $400,000," which is only $75,000 more than Oregon ended up paying Lombardi. Was it worth it?

The other aspect of this is that White believes that Mullins, after turning down his request, "told Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte that White was using Texas as leverage to renegotiate his deal with Oregon, which White saw as an attempt to undermine his chances of being hired by the Longhorns." Now we know why it took them so long to replace Howe Field - they just didn't really give a cr*p.

So, I doubt that Lombardi, despite her abysmally poor job of selling herself, had much of anything to do with this. >> (Kurosawa)


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Followed by another excellent post on this subject... from Kurosawa . 
1janiedough

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<< I suspect it was the shoddy way the Oregon Athletics Department treated White, making only a token effort to retain him, with Mullins, the AD, refusing to even talk with him, that figured into this latest defection. White claimed that Lisa Peterson, the Deputy AD, "laughed at" him when White said he "believed his market value to be around $400,000," which is only $75,000 more than Oregon ended up paying Lombardi. Was it worth it?

The other aspect of this is that White believes that Mullins, after turning down his request, "told Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte that White was using Texas as leverage to renegotiate his deal with Oregon, which White saw as an attempt to undermine his chances of being hired by the Longhorns." Now we know why it took them so long to replace Howe Field - they just didn't really give a cr*p.

So, I doubt that Lombardi, despite her abysmally poor job of selling herself, had much of anything to do with this. >> (Kurosawa)


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Followed by another excellent post on this subject... from Kurosawa . 


She could have sold herself perfectly...and they all would have left anyway.
SEEIT

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Hanson created most of the storm, as has Lombardi.
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She could have sold herself perfectly...and they all would have left anyway.


Bullcrap. Read the article. Read the extra inning article on pinto. Better yet, talk to a duck player or their family/friends. All the players absolutely wanted to make it work, it just didn't. That wasnt totally due to Lombardi but she had a major hand in it.

As a new coach you can do whatever you want to bring "your" people and "your" culture. When you are coming into a perennial top 5 team, the question is should you? And if you do it in a disrespectful, non-inclusive, or dismissive way you better be ready to lose a lot of talented players because, they are going to no have no shortage of places to go.
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Bullcrap. Read the article. Read the extra inning article on pinto. Better yet, talk to a duck player or their family/friends. All the players absolutely wanted to make it work, it just didn't. That wasnt totally due to Lombardi but she had a major hand in it.

As a new coach you can do whatever you want to bring "your" people and "your" culture. When you are coming into a perennial top 5 team, the question is should you? And if you do it in a disrespectful, non-inclusive, or dismissive way you better be ready to lose a lot of talented players because, they are going to no have no shortage of places to go.



Sounds like a comment from a Buzzfeed website so it must be true. 

Can't believe all the non stop spin. 

According to a parent I talked too in fall ball Maggie was pretty disillusioned after her back injury.  I would be surprised if she doesn't just walk away from it all.  Her problems were before  White had even left.  She was emotionally struggling so being no.1 may have been too much at this time.
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Hanson created most of the storm, as has Lombardi.

PEEIT
You are way off.
scrybe

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If you don't like it, you don't have to read it, let alone quote it.


Is that the Little General?
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Interesting.... some tweet was reacted to by the Oregon story writer, and then deleated

https://twitter.com/austinmeekRG/status/1087415538110722048



FSU Coach is the best recruiter of tenured pitchers. That shouldn't surprise anyone & the timing would be excellent for them.
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Is that the Little General?

Is that the new nickname for Lombardi?  [rofl]
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FSU Coach is the best recruiter of tenured pitchers. That shouldn't surprise anyone & the timing would be excellent for them.


This was completely unrelated to anything softball.
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Hanson created most of the storm, as has Lombardi.


Actually, there were strong indicators that White had a hand in Stanford’s storm as well. It really does look at this point like White has single-handedly dismantled the program that refused to pay him.
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So, I doubt that Lombardi, despite her abysmally poor job of selling herself, had much of anything to do with this.


Rarely agree with Mr K, and do so here only in part.

Agree that Lombardi -- notwithstanding the bloviating on this board about a Victorian dress code ("be presentable"), her cultural clash with the Emerald State (those Okies are so dumb) and so on -- had little to do with the Great Escape from Eugene.

Yet, there's a reluctance to completely let go of the narrative -- Lombardi's "abysmally poor job of selling herself" -- which doesn't fit with the concession, at long last, that ML had little to do with so many "Ducks Forever" taking flight.

I don't begrudge the players flocking after The Kiwi at the University of Oregon at Austin. Neither does Lombardi. It's the new normal. Understanding that is Step 1 in a process of Oregon fans depositing their wrath where it belongs -- not on The Kiwi's successor in Eugene, but on the athletics administration that apparently ran him off.
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Actually, there were strong indicators that White had a hand in Stanford’s storm as well. It really does look at this point like White has single-handedly dismantled the program that refused to pay him.
I've always said he is the best recruiter out there, but the idea he could pull the core of a surefire WCWS team onto a team that was schlock and, even now, is only a MAYBE WCWS team .... impressive beyond even what I thought his capabilities allowed for.




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Wonder what became of his daughter
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Yet, there's a reluctance to completely let go of the narrative -- Lombardi's "abysmally poor job of selling herself" -- which doesn't fit with the concession, at long last, that ML had little to do with so many "Ducks Forever" taking flight.


I was referring to the Balint transfer. On the Texas transfers:

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They had their opportunity to come to Texas early on because they had releases to talk to me. They all said they wanted to stay together,” White said. “They felt strong together as a team. They felt like a family and they believed in each other. They stuck together.

“What happened after that, you’d have to ask the players directly.”



And yet, they enrolled at Oregon in the fall. That tells me they wanted to stay together and give it a shot, at Oregon. I think the "culture clash" was very real. The portal did give them an "escape hatch", which they ended up using, but I don't think they re-enrolled at Oregon under false pretenses.


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Bullcrap. Read the article. Read the extra inning article on pinto. Better yet, talk to a duck player or their family/friends. All the players absolutely wanted to make it work, it just didn't. That wasnt totally due to Lombardi but she had a major hand in it.

As a new coach you can do whatever you want to bring "your" people and "your" culture. When you are coming into a perennial top 5 team, the question is should you? And if you do it in a disrespectful, non-inclusive, or dismissive way you better be ready to lose a lot of talented players because, they are going to no have no shortage of places to go.


You lost me at the far left "inclusive", "disrespectful" and the two "your's".

White is not loyal and neither were the players. Peas in a pod.
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You lost me at the far left "inclusive", "disrespectful" and the two "your's".

White is not loyal and neither were the players. Peas in a pod.

Gees.  Get off White's dick already, Janie.

In your book,, I guess the two transfer pitchers OU got weren't loyal to their former teams either.  And, looks like Lombardi wasn't loyal either as she left OU for a bigger paycheck just like White, right? 

Damn.  Your act on here is so stale and transparent.
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OK....to whom was everyone supposed to be 'loyal' again?

Lost my decoder ring.

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All eyes will definitely be on Oregon this season. The biggest soap opera going on right now in softball!
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All eyes will definitely be on Oregon this season. The biggest soap opera going on right now in softball!

There won't be any eyes left, other than black eyes, thanks to Lombardi
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This reminds me of travel ball.
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 And yet, they enrolled at Oregon in the fall. That tells me they wanted to stay together and give it a shot, at Oregon. I think the "culture clash" was very real. The portal did give them an "escape hatch", which they ended up using, but I don't think they re-enrolled at Oregon under false pretenses.




If they planned their exit in the summer, the only way re-enrolling at Oregon makes any sense is if they felt like waiting until October 15th would limit Oregon's ability to block their transfers - if not by the express language in the rule, then by the pressure that comes with this new process.  Or, that it would give them some cover to make it look like they tried to make it work (which doesn't seem likely when 4 girls all end up with the old coach).
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The softball season starts in 2 weeks and this whole situation is getting weirder every week. You now have 2 all world pitchers that are willing to red shirt a whole season instead of playing for this coach.
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