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This is from an article in 2016 when Lawson signed her latest extension:

Lawson’s salary will escalate $10,000 each year of the contract, starting at $210,000 per year in 2016-17 and ending at $250,000 per year in 2020-21, with a total value of $1,150,000.

That means Lawson will make $230K this coming year - almost exactly what White was being paid.  If they refused to up his salary, why would they give her a significant raise?  Wouldn't she need a big raise to leave the SEC and what she has built in Lexington?  Why not just keep him - unless there's a Jimbo Fisher element to this (using other openings to repeatedly renegotiate, some underlying tensions built up, etc.)?

I would not be shocked to see her leave, but I would be shocked if she left for a small raise.  UK has financially committed to her and the program, so it's not like she's been left wanting at UK.


All relevant points and not to be dismissed.

Perhaps UO administration didn't like White so didn't want to pay him what he wanted.  Maybe Lawson would take same money at a program that may be a step above Kentucky in the world of softball.

All speculation and I'm not predicting Lawson leaves.  I just think she would be a good fit there.  I think she might have a better relationship with the players.

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If there was a stigma, it wasn't that he was falling short at the World Series. More so in his demeanor and treatment of players at times.



I think a lot of that was due to the pressure he was feeling to perform in the post season (whether self-imposed or not I don't know). He certainly wasn't having much trouble getting new high-level players to come in, but I heard from some players and parents that he was a different person at the end of each year. I'm speculating, but could be a big contributing factor to the underperformance in big games in the post season. 
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Lawson is a great coach.  Keep in mind that Kentucky just lost their superstar Track and Field head coach to Texas last week.  I don't think AD Mitch Barnhart is gonna let his softball head coach leave without a fight.  That wouldn't make Kentucky fans very happy to lose a second elite head coach in the span of one month.  I could see him raising her salary by $50-100K and easily outbidding any Oregon overtures.  Now, if she sees more potential at Oregon for championships, or has other non-financial reasons for a move to Oregon, then more money wouldn't be a factor in trying to keep her in Lexington.
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White will win a national championship at Texas long before anybody does at Oregon. The question is who will follow White as a transfer? Balint or Elish?
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Local paper in Oregon is reporting that the athletic director was not interested in redoing White's deal or paying anything above his current contract to keep him. I wonder how that news will be received by potential replacements. I am surprised by the lack of financial commitment for a program that just spent big to build a new stadium and training facility.


Funding sources are usually different.  Capital improvements very often from donors, and salaries from school's operational budget.  I don't know about Oregon here, however.
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Given the venom spewed at White in this forum, it's not unreasonable to think the AD didn't like him either and wanted him gone.
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Tell the AD to bring in Kristie Fox from UNLV
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Wild idea - poach Fernandez from UCLA.  Although she may be next in line when they get rid of KIP.
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Lisa Fernandez from UCLA would be a HUGE pickup for the Ducks. I doubt that they could get her because she's been so loyal to UCLA. Maybe a boatload of Nike money could sway her to change her mind!
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Lisa Fernandez from UCLA would be a HUGE pickup for the Ducks. I doubt that they could get her because she's been so loyal to UCLA. Maybe a boatload of Nike money could sway her to change her mind!


If I were Oregon I would stay away from the coaches at UCLA 
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If I were Oregon I would stay away from the coaches at UCLA 


Why?

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What is wrong with UCLA coaches SECFan04?
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If Oregon wants to keep its three pitchers, it would be hard to argue that adding Fernandez would make that less of a certainty.
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So where are the morons at that said Mike or any coach wouldnt jump to Texas for more money. Texas job is about as good as your going to get. They have passionate fan base and money to spend. They are tired of seeing OU and Baylor dominate their team. Really really big time news for Big 12 you will see almost immediate results with recruiting and winning. Just will have to fight OU off for the elite Texas and California recruits but their are plenty of them. Now the real question is 3leftturns a new hornfan? Or will you stick with Oregon..... or maybe you can root for both teams to make it farther than OU this year LOL. Man take a bullet it will ease the pain faster.
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He was a dick!!
Now I can back EVERY Duck team!!

And hope the baseball team from Corvallis ....represents the Pacific North West!!
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White will win a national championship at Texas long before anybody does at Oregon. The question is who will follow White as a transfer? Balint or Elish?


Since he probably will not have any scholarship money available next season, the real question might be:  would either one want to or be able to pay to play for him at Texas?  Oh, and what makes you think he will ever win a national championship at Texas?
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I like Lawson for Oregon. She gets the goods out of very under-recruited players. No telling what she could do with the talent sitting at oregon.
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I can answer.  It is like going to your boss and asking for a raise every year.  (White has over used this tactic, nothing wrong with that) and then you find out the new hire gets the raise you wanted.

Going to the well or threatening too sometimes does not get you want you want.  Good luck to him but he may have over played it some.


If they refused to up his salary, why would they give her a significant raise?  Wouldn't she need a big raise to leave the SEC and what she has built in Lexington?  Why not just keep him - unless there's a Jimbo Fisher element to this (using other openings to repeatedly renegotiate, some underlying tensions built up, etc.)?




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This is from an article in 2016 when Lawson signed her latest extension:

Lawson’s salary will escalate $10,000 each year of the contract, starting at $210,000 per year in 2016-17 and ending at $250,000 per year in 2020-21, with a total value of $1,150,000.

That means Lawson will make $230K this coming year - almost exactly what White was being paid.  If they refused to up his salary, why would they give her a significant raise?  Wouldn't she need a big raise to leave the SEC and what she has built in Lexington?  Why not just keep him - unless there's a Jimbo Fisher element to this (using other openings to repeatedly renegotiate, some underlying tensions built up, etc.)?

I would not be shocked to see her leave, but I would be shocked if she left for a small raise.  UK has financially committed to her and the program, so it's not like she's been left wanting at UK.





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Lisa Fernandez from UCLA would be a HUGE pickup for the Ducks. I doubt that they could get her because she's been so loyal to UCLA. Maybe a boatload of Nike money could sway her to change her mind!




Are you serious? You doubt they could get an assistant coach to take the head coaching job at one of the top programs in the country?  I assure you if offered she would take the job. 
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I can answer.  It is like going to your boss and asking for a raise every year.  (White has over used this tactic, nothing wrong with that) and then you find out the new hire gets the raise you wanted.

Going to the well or threatening too sometimes does not get you want you want.  Good luck to him but he may have over played it some.
Twice in nine years is NOT every year.

Plus, Oregon's increase in 2015 was minimal. $237K base for five WS in seven years and five Pac titles in six years is small potatoes.

And it looks even worse when the Ducks just keep renewing Horton year after year. The baseball team made the Sweet 16 exactly once during Mike White's tenure in Eugene. Horton, who lost that hosted super regional, has never made the CWS there and has never won a Pac title, finishing second once. The baseball team hasn't even made the field of 64 the past three seasons.

I want to see Oregon keep making World Series because of the great families still associated with the team. But, if they don't, the silver lining would be know-nothing schmucks such as yourself getting your comeuppance.
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That's some small thinking sMurph.  "An" assistant would jump at the chance, but LF could get a head job pretty much anywhere if she wanted to leave UCLA. She seems happy with being a lifer there, so yeah, it would take a ridiculous offer for her to go to a rival school and uproot the life she has now.  So don't be Grouchy or Greedy, but rather Brainy and Jokey, and sMurphtastic day.  [wink]
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Horton, who lost that hosted super regional, has never made the WCWS there


Would be a HUGE story if he did.
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Are you serious? You doubt they could get an assistant coach to take the head coaching job at one of the top programs in the country?  I assure you if offered she would take the job. 



I will guess you don't understand the Bruin softball bubble then.
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She has been an assistant at UCLA for a long time and it looks like she is happy with that and wants to be a lifer there. I guarantee you she has been offered plenty of head coaching jobs in the past (big ones) but has turned them all down.

Like I said earlier, I doubt that she would ever leave UCLA but if I was Oregon I would back up that Nike brinks truck and see if she is interested in the job!
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I will guess you don't understand the Bruin softball bubble then


Lisa F has had many chances. unless she changes her mind. she's not interested in doing the head gig anywhere unless it's UCLA. She has deep roots there. 

PS Janie, what's up with your font size?
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Lisa F has had many chances. unless she changes her mind. she's not interested in doing the head gig anywhere unless it's UCLA. She has deep roots there. 

PS Janie, what's up with your font size?



Once in a while I change it up.  Lol.😉
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Once in a while I change it up.  Lol.😉


Ha Ha!  well I swung and missed on your change until I put my glasses on.
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I can answer.  It is like going to your boss and asking for a raise every year.  (White has over used this tactic, nothing wrong with that) and then you find out the new hire gets the raise you wanted.

Going to the well or threatening too sometimes does not get you want you want.  Good luck to him but he may have over played it some.


If they refused to up his salary, why would they give her a significant raise?  Wouldn't she need a big raise to leave the SEC and what she has built in Lexington?  Why not just keep him - unless there's a Jimbo Fisher element to this (using other openings to repeatedly renegotiate, some underlying tensions built up, etc.)?











This is an absolutely asinine take on the situation.

How many coaches have been more consistently successful than White during his tenure at Oregon? 3? 4? Maybe?

So twice in his entire career he approaches the AD and asks to be paid accordingly. And note that he was never paid anything close to what George Horton continues to get for his unmitigated disaster of a baseball program. White wins more, draws a bigger crowd, recruits better, and is rewarded with a firm “piss off” from the athletic department.

You’re about to find out just how good a coach White was. While I really hope that Oregon can sustain its success, I have my doubts. It’s not a program that was rolling prior to White’s arrival. It’s a program that he built.
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In terms of Lawson, if she has been contacted or is interested, UK is having summer camp this week for 5-12 year olds, so doubtful she could make a trip to Eugene before end of week.  That said, she's been there a couple of times in the past 13 months, so...
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Would be a HUGE story if he did.
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