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3leftturns

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There was no buyout on White, according to the reporters out there
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Yep.... Maybe it will be Roberts

Probably the price-range sweet spot

Could Chelsea Spencer have a shot? I wasn't thinking so... But my head is spinning


My understanding (which is 3rd hand with some rumor thrown in) is that White was a lot more enamored of Spencer than the university in general. They liked Roberts though, although White didn't like him enough to get rid of his assistant like Tarr did...
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Well, White and Roberts are both pitching guys.

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Well, White and Roberts are both pitching guys.



Yeah, that's true.
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My understanding (which is 3rd hand with some rumor thrown in) is that White was a lot more enamored of Spencer than the university in general. They liked Roberts though, although White didn't like him enough to get rid of his assistant like Tarr did...


Spencer and White...2 peas in a pod then.
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Spencer and White...2 peas in a pod then.


I think they're both "grinders" like White said 😉 
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I think they're both "grinders" like White said 😉 


Nothing wrong with it. And booo to the stat that Candrea is last male coach in Pac 12 softball.

Gonna turn into the B1G...yikes!!
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http://www.registerguard.com/sports/20180626/austin-meek-mike-whites-departure-reverberates-at-oregon
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Nothing wrong with it. And booo to the stat that Candrea is last male coach in Pac 12 softball.

Gonna turn into the B1G...yikes!!


Depends what you're grinding I suppose. Pac is very, very far from B1G coach gender make up notwithstanding. I suspect you'll see more and more female coaches as ex-players start working up the ranks. I'd rather have that then an infusion from baseball (which may also happen if the salaries continue to improve).  
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There was no buyout on White, according to the reporters out there

I saw one report or tweet that were was a 3-year contract buyout.  Seemed very unlikely to me for softball.  Saw nothing since then to corroborate it; so, most likely not accurate.
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Nothing wrong with it. And booo to the stat that Candrea is last male coach in Pac 12 softball.

Gonna turn into the B1G...yikes!!
And, Del Conte asked Candrea his opinion. Getting White pathed out of the Pac must have given the old man a chubby!!!!
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Interesting take. I find it incredibly hard to believe that OR couldn't have come up with a few hundred thousand more dollars (out of a budget of > 100M) to pay White if they thought a) he was really going to leave, and b) paying him was the best use for that money. Conference disbursements are surprising though. I would have guessed SEC, PAC, B1G, ACC.
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Interesting take. I find it incredibly hard to believe that OR couldn't have come up with a few hundred thousand more dollars (out of a budget of > 100M) to pay White if they thought a) he was really going to leave, and b) paying him was the best use for that money. Conference disbursements are surprising though. I would have guessed SEC, PAC, B1G, ACC.

No offense, but you need to catch up.  Several articles out there over the last year about how poorly the PAC is doing with their TV network and revenue.  B1G and SEC are gaining huge separation from the pack.  Even the Big 12 and ACC without conference TV networks are doing better than PAC.
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Interesting take. I find it incredibly hard to believe that OR couldn't have come up with a few hundred thousand more dollars (out of a budget of > 100M) to pay White if they thought a) he was really going to leave, and b) paying him was the best use for that money. Conference disbursements are surprising though. I would have guessed SEC, PAC, B1G, ACC.


They could have.  I'm more convinced that Oregon pushed White out by not giving him what he wanted.  If they get Lawson, that would confirm my theory.

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Depends what you're grinding I suppose. Pac is very, very far from B1G coach gender make up notwithstanding. I suspect you'll see more and more female coaches as ex-players start working up the ranks. I'd rather have that then an infusion from baseball (which may also happen if the salaries continue to improve).  


No, I'd rather see more men coaching...by far.
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No offense, but you need to catch up.  Several articles out there over the last year about how poorly the PAC is doing with their TV network and revenue.  B1G and SEC are gaining huge separation from the pack.  Even the Big 12 and ACC without conference TV networks are doing better than PAC.


ACC Network launches next year.
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To use a submarine term, the Oregon AD is running deep and silent on the whole thing. 

Nothing on Oregon social media controlled  by Oregon athletics mentions Whites departure.  Don't schools usually announce a search committee and time frame to hire a new coach?  I have seen coaching changes at Oregon and this process does not seem as transparent as others.

Maybe Oregon wanted a different direction?  Hard to believe bit it but there could be a small  chance that it was more than what is seen here?Maybe not?
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To use a submarine term, the Oregon AD is running deep and silent on the whole thing. 

Nothing on Oregon social media controlled  by Oregon athletics mentions Whites departure.  Don't schools usually announce a search committee and time frame to hire a new coach?  I have seen coaching changes at Oregon and this process does not seem as transparent as others.

Maybe Oregon wanted a different direction?  Hard to believe bit it but there could be a small  chance that it was more than what is seen here?Maybe not?


Well, if they go out and hire a big name for 400k or something, then we'll know. If they hire someone for close to White's old salary (or less) then it seems plausible they just didn't want to spend the money on a softball coach.
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No, I'd rather see more men coaching...by far.


When it comes to coaching the people and programs with whom I have any kind of connection, I don’t give a damn if it’s a man or woman. I’ll take best available coach, please.
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When it comes to coaching the people and programs with whom I have any kind of connection, I don’t give a damn if it’s a man or woman. I’ll take best available coach, please.


Preach!
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Still feeling all mid-major-y and Coach Roberts-y.... but if not, among P5 --purely spitballin-- what about Deifel or Berg?

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Still feeling all mid-major-y and Coach Roberts-y.... but if not, among P5 --purely spitballin-- what about Deifel or Berg?



Deifel will come home for the Bears!
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The problem with money is you can’t spend what you don’t have, and the non-revenue sports at most schools don’t have it and can’t print it as our Federal Reserve effectively does.  

Say what you will about the Oregon AD’s decision: it does make monetary and strategic sense. Strategically, over the last 20 years, history shows that new head coaches, who rapidly build a contender, generally win a championship in six seasons or less after taking charge. The other HC’s take a decade or two to earn the prize, always with the same team, often with several intervening up & down cycles, and usually with a stint or two as runner-up before earning the big trophy. This historical trend is unfavorable for a quick coup by White at Texas at this stage of his DI career, given his meteoric rise as the Duck’s HC without striking gold or making a runner-up appearance after nine seasons at the helm, and the ‘Horn’s own history of post-season woes. Worse yet is that rotting albatross hanging about White’s neck – that bitterly disappointing underachievement in post-season play. After a considered review, with such factors in mind, the Oregon AD may have decided to throw the dice and gamble on an economical up-and-comer rather than invest considerably more & more salary moneys in the hope of slogging out a low-payback championship over the next decade (or longer).

Though a committed (and committable) AZ Cat well-wisher, I’m hopeful that White can defy the trend, can mend whatever post-season psyche issues are in play here, and can take the ‘Horns to that place he could not reach with the Ducks, and that place Clark could not reach after 26 years at UT. At the very least, it will be interesting to see if Texas can knock OU off their lofty perch in a timely fashion.
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As a side note, given all this money talk, some may not realize that $445,000 of Gasso’s celebrated $1M salary comes from “unrestricted private funds for fundraising, promotions and personal services,” per News OK. In typical university jargon, this means half of her salary comes from “soft money” sources that are not necessarily guaranteed and may be at risk to some level. So roughly half of her pay is from “hard money,” which means funds from the athletic department’s regular operating budget. The OU softball program must (apparently) pass the hat outside the department in a serious way to cover a substantial portion of its salary and operation costs, and it’s unclear how much over-salary percentage is charged for benefits and administrative overhead. For reference, the typical benefit & overhead surcharge for faculty-staff at large public universities is 75% of regular base salary, which means a $1M regular salary actually costs $1.75 M. Compensation from “private sources” may be exempt from benefit/overhead surcharges at OU per its rules. Nevertheless, salary costs are a non-trivial burden to a program that’s patronized by a small base of 1,500 OU fans that fork over $8-15 per seat to watch a game – that’s about $430 K in ticket sales for 25 home games if you’re doing the arithmetic, or less than half of Gasso’s base salary. Other schools are in the same the boat. The fact is, from a monetary and societal viewpoint, softball and other non-revenue programs, and their small fan bases, are barely detectable blips on the grand radar, and this explains why the NPF arouses such little public interest.

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8-15 dollars isn’t accurate. You can be assured now ticket prices are on the rise and with the new stadium increase in seating it will cover all of Gassos contract.
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Gasso's 725k salary and 200k annual retention bonus are fully guaranteed. The source is immaterial to that guarantee.

The 2017 WCWS finals averaged 1.72 million viewers per game and have been increasing by double digit percentages for years. ESPN covered 650 games and the rise of paid services like flosoftball are skyrocketing. Those contracts are getting more and more lucrative as are the regional contracts. Teams are attracting investors to build expensive new stadiums and ASA stadium is increasing capacity by thousands of seats to meet demand.
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Still feeling all mid-major-y and Coach Roberts-y.... but if not, among P5 --purely spitballin-- what about Deifel or Berg?



Deifel is unlikely, I think. They are apparently very close to a new deal that should "keep her at AR for the forseeable future" according to the AD - http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2018/jun/16/van-horn-contract-talks-planned/ She's got a good thing on the way up there. Expectations for what they'd have to pay her in OR would be very high.

Berg may be more likely to go. Her salary is only 110k from what I saw. The question with her is why would OR want her? She's had some OK talent in Corvallis but they just haven't been consistently good. She hasn't been able to take advantage of her jwnt role the way Ford has for instance, and lure top-tier talent, or particularly develop the talent she had. I think OR can do better without necessarily breaking the bank.

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Say what you will about the Oregon AD’s decision: it does make monetary and strategic sense. Strategically, over the last 20 years, history shows that new head coaches, who rapidly build a contender, generally win a championship in six seasons or less after taking charge. The other HC’s take a decade or two to earn the prize, always with the same team, often with several intervening up & down cycles, and usually with a stint or two as runner-up before earning the big trophy.

Can you provide us some examples in both sides that support this?
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ACC Network launches next year.

Which means they are way behind the existence of BTN and SECN. 
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Deifel is unlikely, I think. They are apparently very close to a new deal that should "keep her at AR for the forseeable future" according to the AD - http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2018/jun/16/van-horn-contract-talks-planned/ She's got a good thing on the way up there. Expectations for what they'd have to pay her in OR would be very high.

Berg may be more likely to go. Her salary is only 110k from what I saw. The question with her is why would OR want her? She's had some OK talent in Corvallis but they just haven't been consistently good. She hasn't been able to take advantage of her jwnt role the way Ford has for instance, and lure top-tier talent, or particularly develop the talent she had. I think OR can do better without necessarily breaking the bank.




I agree about Berg...but my question is, is she just not that great of a coach or is Corvallis really that sh*tty of a draw for players?  I mean there are no lights still...only will the 2019 season bring lights to the field.

It's basically a schoolyard field.
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