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HenryLouisAaron

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<< OSU had exactly the right game plan for Dail (unlike LSU and UCLA's first game). Be patient, go deep in counts and wait for the walks, wp and mistakes. Then switch it up when she adjusts and get aggressive when she throws first pitch strikes. I dont usually have stellar things to say about Laura Berg but I thought they did a great job executing their plan. >> (cjs)


It sorta sounds like you want to give a lot of credit to the Oregon State hitters (and coaching staff) - when Dail gets whomped on...
and blame the UCLA and California hitters (and coaching staff) when they get beat by Dail...
as if Dail's actual pitching performance on those particular days... had nothing to due with the outcome.

It couldn't be... that Dail is actually pitching better - when she beats a team (and holds them them to well below their usual R/G)...
and pitching worse - when a team knocks her around (and scores well above her usual R/G)...

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I understand your point about using a better approach to trying to beat Dail... 
but don't you think the coaching staffs for UCLA, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma State, Missouri, California, etc...  would all be aware of this...?
Was it just remarkably poor planning by these coaching staffs - that led to all of Dail's good pitching outings..?
Is that the point you are attempting to make..?  She is just lucky - when she does well...  because sometimes opposing coaches are really bad at their jobs..?
scrybe

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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< OSU had exactly the right game plan for Dail (unlike LSU and UCLA's first game). Be patient, go deep in counts and wait for the walks, wp and mistakes. Then switch it up when she adjusts and get aggressive when she throws first pitch strikes. I dont usually have stellar things to say about Laura Berg but I thought they did a great job executing their plan. >> (cjs)


It sorta sounds like you want to give a lot of credit to the Oregon State hitters (and coaching staff) - when Dail gets whomped on...
and blame the UCLA and California hitters (and coaching staff) when they get beat by Dail...
as if Dail's actual pitching performance on those particular days... had nothing to due with the outcome.

It couldn't be... that Dail is actually pitching better - when she beats a team (and holds them them to well below their usual R/G)...
and pitching worse - when a team knocks her around (and scores well above her usual R/G)...

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I understand your point about using a better approach to trying to beat Dail... 
but don't you think the coaching staffs for UCLA, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma State, Missouri, California, etc...  would all be aware of this...?
Was it just remarkably poor planning by these coaching staffs - that led to all of Dail's good pitching outings..?
Is that the point you are attempting to make..?  She is just lucky - when she does well...  because sometimes opposing coaches are really bad at their jobs..?


Sounds like you have a pretty good understanding of what motivates a certain poster.
HenryLouisAaron

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<< Whatever the arguments, can we please stop trying to promote Cal, who scored 9 runs in 64 2/3 innings (0.97 runs a game) against Washington, UCLA and Arizona, as some paragon of offensive prowess? >> (3LT)


Yes...   UCLA, Arizona and Washington  held California to just 9 runs in 9 games. 
Is that really all that surprising to you..?

Those are three of the best pitching teams in the country. They have a 1.38 ERA when you combine their team stats.

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But this is the better story...
While the super great pitching staffs of UCLA, Arizona and Washington  held California to just 9 runs in 9 games...
Jordan Dail held California  to  ZERO  runs in 3 games.

Btw...  California has averaged scoring 5.85 runs per game in all their other games (minus the 12 vs. UCLA, Arizona, Washington & Oregon).

So... we can say that UCLA, Arizona & Washington  held a pretty decent scoring team down pretty well.
But Jordan Dail held them down  unbelievably well.

One more btw...   the 3 great teams mentioned above - were using more than one pitcher in their series vs. California.
AaronT

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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< Whatever the arguments, can we please stop trying to promote Cal, who scored 9 runs in 64 2/3 innings (0.97 runs a game) against Washington, UCLA and Arizona, as some paragon of offensive prowess? >> (3LT)


Yes...   UCLA, Arizona and Washington  held California to just 9 runs in 9 games. 
Is that really all that surprising to you..?

Those are three of the best pitching teams in the country. They have a 1.38 ERA when you combine their team stats.

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But this is the better story...
While the super great pitching staffs of UCLA, Arizona and Washington  held California to just 9 runs in 9 games...
Jordan Dail held California  to  ZERO  runs in 3 games.

Btw...  California has averaged scoring 5.85 runs per game in all their other games (minus the 12 vs. UCLA, Arizona, Washington & Oregon).

So... we can say that UCLA, Arizona & Washington  held a pretty decent scoring team down pretty well.
But Jordan Dail held them down  unbelievably well.

One more btw...   the 3 great teams mentioned above - were using more than one pitcher in their series vs. California.

By the way.
Dail gave 19 runs to Arizona
16 runs to UCLA
And 9 to Wlashington
Cal without Dung and Conley next year should lose to Dail.
cjs4585

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< OSU had exactly the right game plan for Dail (unlike LSU and UCLA's first game). Be patient, go deep in counts and wait for the walks, wp and mistakes. Then switch it up when she adjusts and get aggressive when she throws first pitch strikes. I dont usually have stellar things to say about Laura Berg but I thought they did a great job executing their plan. >> (cjs)


It sorta sounds like you want to give a lot of credit to the Oregon State hitters (and coaching staff) - when Dail gets whomped on...
and blame the UCLA and California hitters (and coaching staff) when they get beat by Dail...
as if Dail's actual pitching performance on those particular days... had nothing to due with the outcome.

It couldn't be... that Dail is actually pitching better - when she beats a team (and holds them them to well below their usual R/G)...
and pitching worse - when a team knocks her around (and scores well above her usual R/G)...

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I understand your point about using a better approach to trying to beat Dail... 
but don't you think the coaching staffs for UCLA, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma State, Missouri, California, etc...  would all be aware of this...?
Was it just remarkably poor planning by these coaching staffs - that led to all of Dail's good pitching outings..?
Is that the point you are attempting to make..?  She is just lucky - when she does well...  because sometimes opposing coaches are really bad at their jobs..?


There is the game plan and then there is the execution. Both kip and torina were saying they wanted to swing at "their" pitches and they weren't doing that. And they were right, they were swinging out of their shoes at riseballs a foot over their heads and bugs bunnying into the ground on the offspeed. Credit to ML for seeing that and calling those pitches and to Dail for executing them. You just didnt see much in the way of adjustment by the opposition though. In the case of UCLA they'd been scrapping a bit coming into that game as well (Conley held them to 3 runs in 8 innings, and dung 1 in 7 at Cal), I think they were just a little eager to break that slump. And very clearly neither team took OR very seriously, UCLA pitching their #2 and lsu their #4.

As far as Florida I dont remember that game much but I remember fl beating new Mexico earlier 1-0 so their offense was definitely struggling at that point.

I thought Dail's best outing perhaps was against ok state. They are a good hitting team who was hitting pretty well at the time and who had a sound game plan and executed it. Dail had to throw a lot more pitches in or near the zone than shes probably comfortable with but she kept the walks and mistakes down only giving up 4h.

Oregon state has not been a stellar offense but they have some talented players. Dail definitely made more mistakes in this game but OSU also pushed her to throw in the zone and hit her when she did.

So all of that is a long winded way of saying it probably wasnt poor planning but it was some obvious overconfidence on the part of ucla/lsu. And of course Dail's pitching performance has to do with the outcome but so does the lineup shes facing and how they're executing.
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I thought Jordan's best game was at UCLA. That place is as bad of a bandbox as Tucson or Tempe, and with the talent of that UCLA team, to hold them to three runs in Westwood and get the win? Any win there is an incredible accomplishment
cjs4585

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I thought Jordan's best game was at UCLA. That place is as bad of a bandbox as Tucson or Tempe, and with the talent of that UCLA team, to hold them to three runs in Westwood and get the win? Any win there is an incredible accomplishment


From looking at the film, the Bruins were unprepared. Good hitters have bad days and swinging out of your shoes at nearly every pitch including being laughably in front of change ups and swinging at rises a foot over your head isnt going to get you far no matter who's pitching against you. But yes Dail executed her game plan which was mostly keep throwing rises higher and higher since these clowns keep swinging at them.
3leftturns

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She ate the core of the Bruins engine alive, with Aaliyah Jordan going 0 for 4 with 4 K. Lefties are rough on her.

 

AaronT

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" One more BTW... the 3 great teams mentioned above - were using more than one pitcher in their series with Cal " --- HenryLouisAaron

Here is what it was

Game 1   Garcia vs Conley
Game 2   Azevedo & Faraimo vs Dung
Game 3   Faraimo vs Conley

Game 1  Plain vs Conley
Game 2  Alvelo & Plain vs Dung & Conley
Game 3  Alvelo & Plain vs Conley & Dung

Game 1 McQuillin vs Conley
Game 2 Denham vs Dung
Game 3 McQuillin vs Conley & Dung
CajunAmos

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Am I understand correctly that if Oregon doesn't win five of their last six they don't make the NCAA tournament?
smcouvillion

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Am I understand correctly that if Oregon doesn't win five of their last six they don't make the NCAA tournament?


yes. so they would have to sweep either Utah or Arizona State, and take 2/3 from the other.
3leftturns

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The Dancing Duo are both out for at least this game.

No bueno

Walguy

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So I just went to the Oregon site and attempted to go to the Live Stats feed for tonight's game. This is what came up:
"The event you are attempting to access has been limited to credentialed media members.

Please use the passcode you have received from the event's media relations staff. If you do not have an event passcode, please contact the event media relations staff to gain access to the stat feed.

Please enter your passcode here:"

So then I went to the Utah site and accessed the Live Stats with no problem. Wth Oregon??
3leftturns

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So I just went to the Oregon site and attempted to go to the Live Stats feed for tonight's game. This is what came up:
"The event you are attempting to access has been limited to credentialed media members.

Please use the passcode you have received from the event's media relations staff. If you do not have an event passcode, please contact the event media relations staff to gain access to the stat feed.

Please enter your passcode here:"

So then I went to the Utah site and accessed the Live Stats with no problem. Wth Oregon??
The Oregon Twitter feed linked to Utah's

But, yeah, some steps backward webwise this year
3leftturns

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Tough, tough loss.

Ducks dormie now
LarryJ

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The Dancing Duo are both out for at least this game.

No bueno


That’s not good. Probably would have pulled out a win with them. Injuries or other issues?
PAC_12Fan

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Concussion from OSU series
midwestfp

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Dancing duo?  A bit too esoteric for me.  
CoachZ

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Who is the dancing duo?
LarryJ

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Who is the dancing duo?


Cruse and Sievers. They have several videos on twitter of them doing pregame or postgame dances in the locker room

https://mobile.twitter.com/haley_crusee/status/1121840006069280769

https://mobile.twitter.com/haley_crusee/status/1116761544778346496?lang=en



https://mobile.twitter.com/haley_crusee/status/1116761544778346496?lang=en

https://mobile.twitter.com/haley_crusee/status/1116761544778346496?lang=en
Softball98mom

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Concussion from OSU series


Both of them have a concussion?
3leftturns

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Cruse got trucked in an outfield collision and perhaps Sievers caught a knee at second....IIRC
Hokiechip

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yes. so they would have to sweep either Utah or Arizona State, and take 2/3 from the other.


Oregon lost 2/3 to Utah including being run-ruled today 11-3.
3leftturns

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Wow, I switched off when it was 3-0 Ducks. I guess they had three errors in one nightmare inning
3leftturns

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Holy crap...Coach Dillon has left Oregon
3leftturns

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Dillon was 100 percent responsible for this commentary

http://robocoach.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1304374781&postcount=206&forum=10114
3leftturns

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Thank you again, and RIP Mr. Sanders

Without Bob Sanders, the Ducks are still playing in the sh*thole with the PortaPottys in the bullpens and the first five rows of seats obstructed by the cinder blocks that were the back wall of the "dugouts"

https://twitter.com/OregonSB/status/1194679690440536065

Oatmealsmoke

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Thank you again, and RIP Mr. Sanders

Without Bob Sanders, the Ducks are still playing in the sh*thole with the PortaPottys in the bullpens and the first five rows of seats obstructed by the cinder blocks that were the back wall of the "dugouts"

https://twitter.com/OregonSB/status/1194679690440536065



I believe that without Bob, nobody in the athletic department would have lifted a finger to aid the program, despite years of promises to the contrary. There’s simply no way to express how important his contributions were, and how massive a legacy he leaves. We lost a great one.
3leftturns

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I believe that without Bob, nobody in the athletic department would have lifted a finger to aid the program, despite years of promises to the contrary. There’s simply no way to express how important his contributions were, and how massive a legacy he leaves. We lost a great one.
Amen, smoke
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