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1janiedough

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3) Nancy Evans was the heart of the recruiting in the 2000s, and was a really good pitching coach.  When she was fired, recruiting and pitching instruction when downhill.


She was a ruthless pitch caller.  And the Az teams had that ruthless attitude...not anymore...not since they got spanked by Ucla in 2010.
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^  It's a combination of things, probably in this order:

1) Candrea is a good coach who has been surpassed by at least a dozen others in terms of approach to players and recruiting.   Remember the mass firing by text?  I don't know him, and maybe he's an awesome guy everybody wants to be around, but from a distance he just seems like a sad, angry guy.
2) Kids nowadays don't even know how dominant Arizona was in the '90s, so that advantage is long gone.
3) Nancy Evans was the heart of the recruiting in the 2000s, and was a really good pitching coach.  When she was fired, recruiting and pitching instruction when downhill.
4) With so many great programs now and great college towns, Tucson just doesn't cut it for a 16 year old thinking about an exciting college experience.  I mean bar hopping can't be a town's main attraction.


My response:

1) Mike is am good recruiter and even better politician.  i remember a few years back his being up in Phoenix talking in the press about how excited he was with some local player then at Arizona and how important the local Phoenix players were to the future of Arizona softball.  That player never saw any time and i the parents told me how frustrated they felt and believed they had been lied to.  That was one example and who knows what Mike actually said to them.  But I have heard the same similar statements from many more than one other.  Next year we have a pitcher coming in from the Phoenix area.  I bet she was told she was going to be the next star pitcher alongside McQuillin her freshman year.  How many other pitchers has Mike bought in who now are rotting?  I expect much unhappiness next year in that camp.  i am looking for Mike's next out of town interviews to see what he says.  

2)  Isn't it the responsibility of the coach to make the players aware of the history and demand nothing less?  Has anyone noticed how infrequently Finch visits the stadium?  Only once that I can remember in the last eight years.  I believe the players do know and want to return to that history.  But when you are told one thing and find it completely different when you arrive morale hurts.  This team like all in the past eight years play as individuals, trying to save their position and nothing else.  Nothing personal against any player.  In fact I love the players.  But it is the responsibility of the coach to build the team, generate the excitement,  and get all players involved.  Not happening here.  Watch the dugouts at games.  little cheering and generally no excitement.  I have seen instances where all of a sudden they get excited and start cheering.  I have asked and been told that began after Mike got mad at them.  it is obvious.  I heard the announcers for ESPN compliment Mike White for how he is using his players of the future now.  Mike can't even get the designated hitting figured out.  Go back and watch the video of when they interviewed Mike. What parent would want their kid playing for that coach?  What was the batting average of the player called at the last minute to save Arizona from Baylor last year.  Not the girl's fault.  It is the lack of development.  It is you will get your one chance and you better succeed or you will never be seen from again.  Countless stories of players lost.  Some should have but many should have not.

3)  How many coaches has Mike hired?  Your emphasis is all wrong.  We continue to recruit top talented players except at pitching where the word must be out to avoid Arizona.  mike is saving himself from bringing in transfers.  O'Toole was talented and saved the program.  But he overused her with other talent available.  Called that one in April.  And you do not mention batting, which is supposed to be Mike's specialty.  The new players come in each fall and knock the ball over over. Are they better years later into the program?  No.  At best they stay the same as when they arrived.  No slapping, poor bunting, no hitting to location.  Swing for the fence.  Wait for the pitch so you can hit it to the fence.  I made reference earlier to Danielle Lawrie for Washington commenting on how it was not hard for the Washington pitchers because Arizona made no adjustments at the plate so the Washington pitchers did not have to adjust.  You tell me if that is great coaching.  And because it isn't the players suffer in misery.  You missed the boat here entirely.  Great p[layers that do not get any better, and arguably get worse.  And if you disagree with that we did have three All Americans added to the list last year.

4)  Again completely off base.  Mike gets his fair share and there are many more who would die to come to Tucson.  Arizona athletics are followed strongly by their fans.  The local newspapers write about every game. UCLA rumor has it even stopped streaming and never gets press coverage until post season.  Athletes in any sport are known, recognized, and appreciated.  Any 16 year old where bar hopping is the desire wouldn't be wanted at Arizona.  Some of the largest crowds in college athletics come out for basketball and softball.  Okay, football still needs some work.  We are far from perfect.  But for the right kid, more than the number of positions available.  

We need top get back to where we were in the early 2000's.  A certain coach needs to called out for not living up to the standards he himself set.  His lack of actions are what are leading to discussions like this.  Never used to be the case.  Teams win championships.  Mike is behind in technic, strategy, and helping our players achieve.

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I copied the response above over to the Arizona website where it belongs.  Let's save the Oregon people and continue the conversation over where it belongs.
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Thanks, silent. Though, I do love hopping over there and reading these deep thoughts
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Game 2 will resume at 4 p.m. EST in the top of the 6th
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Oregon run rules Arizona 8-0 in 6 on what announcers are calling second Wildcats passed ball of the game to close game 2

Oregon run rules Arizona 10-0 in 6 on Mary Iakopo oppo 3-run HR
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Oregon began its Lefty Bataan Death March this weekend:

April 6-8: Taylor McQuillin
April 13-15: G Juarez
April 19: Paige Parker, Paige Lowary

 

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Oregon run rules Arizona 8-0 in 6 on what announcers are calling second Wildcats passed ball of the game to close game 2

Oregon run rules Arizona 10-0 in 6 on Mary Iakopo oppo 3-run HR


What has happened to Arizona.
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What has happened to Arizona.


Nothing, I am many others predicted Oregon to win it all this season.  When they play to their full potential they are close to unbeatable.  You will not find a better 1,2,3 pitching trio in the history of college softball.
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That is effusive praise Ty. I certainly feel that way about the trio in the context of this season.

LOL....I am sort of partial to their catching depth too
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Nothing, I am many others predicted Oregon to win it all this season.  When they play to their full potential they are close to unbeatable.
The offense may have started getting unlocked this weekend.

If that happens, all cylinders with no restrictor plates....whew
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Oregon 23, UofA 2.  It seemed closer than that, and those numbers are shocking.
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Nothing, I am many others predicted Oregon to win it all this season.  When they play to their full potential they are close to unbeatable.  You will not find a better 1,2,3 pitching trio in the history of college softball.


Hasn’t it just been 2 pitching since Pac 12 started? The first 2 have pitched over 100 innings each overall, the 3rd has pitched around 50? Same ERA as other number 3s in top pac teams. UO trio equal to UW in innings pitched and stats.
True test on who will be on top comes soon when UO plays UW.
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Indeed...what happened where Balint is a distant 3rd now?
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Hasn’t it just been 2 pitching since Pac 12 started? The first 2 have pitched over 100 innings each overall, the 3rd has pitched around 50? Same ERA as other number 3s in top pac teams. UO trio equal to UW in innings pitched and stats. True test on who will be on top comes soon when UO plays UW.

No comparison. Washington has protected Plain from heavy lifting. Oregon has piled it on Elish. Despite that differential, Elish dominates the comparison.

No. 2s vs. RPI TOP16 (Regional hosts)
Gabbie Plain (Texas A&M, Arizona State, Arizona): 16 IP, 22 BR, 7 ER, 15K, 3.06 ERA, 1.375 WHIP

Miranda Elish (Tennessee, LSU, FSU, UCLA, Oregon State, Arizona): 35 2/3 IP, 29 BR, 8 ER, 50K, 1.57 ERA, 0.813 WHIP

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Mary Iakopo's HR gave Oregon 47 for the season, surpassing the 46 hit by the Ducks the entirety of last season.
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What has happened to Arizona.


Oregon, apparently.
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DJ Sanders in her past eight Pac games: 8 for 22 with two 2B and three HRs and 2 BBs (1.281 OPS)

Her overall OPS is up to 1.037

 

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No comparison. Washington has protected Plain from heavy lifting. Oregon has piled it on Elish. Despite that differential, Elish dominates the comparison.

No. 2s vs. RPI TOP16 (Regional hosts)
Gabbie Plain (Texas A&M, Arizona State, Arizona): 16 IP, 22 BR, 7 ER, 15K, 3.06 ERA, 1.375 WHIP

Miranda Elish (Tennessee, LSU, FSU, UCLA, Oregon State, Arizona): 35 2/3 IP, 29 BR, 8 ER, 50K, 1.57 ERA, 0.813 WHIP



How about their conference numbers all-up since judging anyone on 16IP is pretty silly (especially when the first several were Plain's first big game):

Plain (36IP, 6ER, 1.17ERA, .722 WHIP, .156 B/AVG)
Elish (29.1IP, 10ER, 2.39ERA, 1.06WHIP, .204 B/AVG)

Of course Elish's includes UCLA numbers and Plain's doesn't. Here they are with the UCLA game removed : 
Elish(22.1IP, 5ER, 1.57ERA, .851WHIP)
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Not a single inning Elish has pitched in conference has been against a team outside the top 16 RPI (regional hosts)

That said, if Coach White doesn't get Plain called for illegal, then she will maintain her legit No. 2 status.
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Not a single inning Elish has pitched in conference has been against a team outside the top 16 RPI (regional hosts)

That said, if Coach White doesn't get Plain called for illegal, then she will maintain her legit No. 2 status.


Fair enough.
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<< I and many others predicted Oregon to win it all this season.  When they play to their full potential they are close to unbeatable.  You will not find a better 1,2,3 pitching trio in the history of college softball. >> (Ty Cobb)

<< That is effusive praise Ty. I certainly feel that way about the trio in the context of this season. >> (3LT)

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Just for fun... 
here are the current stats for the top three pitchers for Oregon and for Oklahoma for the 2018 season:

Pitcher       Ap  GS     IP     R   ER   R/G   ERA     H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   TB   WP   HB  BB   SO   SO/BB    AB     BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   SO/7  FB/7   EBH/7   W-L  Sv
M. Kleist    19   19  115.2  21  15   1.27  0.91    64   7    0    6     13    89    3      3   11  152   13.82    408  .150  .189  .218  .408    9.20   0.85    0.79   13-5   0
M. Elish     21   14  102.0  15  13   1.03  0.89    51   6    2    3     11    70    8      5   21  154     7.33    351  .145  .204  .199  .403  10.57   1.78    0.75   14-1   1
M. Balint   15     9    51.2  21  17   2.85  2.30    42   6    0    5     11    63    2      4   15    55     3.67    191  .220  .289  .330  .619   2.85    2.57    1.49     7-1   0
Totals       55   42   269.1  57  45   1.48  1.17  157  19   2   14    35   222  13    12   47  361     7.68    950  .165  .214  .234  .448   9.38    1.53    0.91   34-7   1


Pitcher       Ap  GS     IP     R   ER   R/G   ERA     H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   TB   WP   HB  BB   SO   SO/BB    AB     BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   SO/7  FB/7   EBH/7   W-L  Sv
P. Parker    26   22  115.2  14  12  0.85   0.73    52    8    0    5    13    75     2     6   24   140    5.83    393   .132  .193  .191  .384    8.47  1.82    0.79     21-1  1
P. Lowary   27    2    50.2    9    6  1.24   0.83    32    5    1    2      8    45     4     4   11    39     3.55    179   .179  .240  .251  .491    5.39  2.07    1.11       3-1  6
M. Lopez    15   12   54.2  10  10  1.28   1.28    37    4    0    4      8    53     1     2     6    67   11.17    195   .190  .222  .272  .494    8.58  1.02    1.02     12-0   0
Totals        68   36  221.0  33  28  1.04   0.89  121  17    1   11   29   173    7    12   41  246     6.00    767   .158  .211  .226  .437    7.79  1.68    0.92     36-2   7


And Oklahoma has a fourth pitcher with a pretty nice stat line as well...
P. Conrad   12    2   23.1    6    3   1.80   0.90    14    0    0    2     2    20      2     3    4    22     5.50      82   .170  .223  .244  .477    6.60  2.10    0.60      1-0   0


It will be fun to watch these two teams go at it.
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Dunno where you got those numbers from, Hammer

http://goducks.com/cumestats.aspx?path=softball

But I agree with that last line wholeheartedly.

Any Sooners here gonna be in Eugene?
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<< Dunno where you got those numbers from, Hammer >> (3LT)

http://goducks.com/cumestats.aspx?path=softball

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I got them from this place - last night.

https://stats.ncaa.org/team/529/stats?id=13430&year_stat_category_id=13301 

They had Elish's W-L record at 13-1...   and Kleist's W-L record at 13-4.
That told me that they had not added in the stats from Oregon's last two games.
So I added the stats from the last two games to the stats they listed.

If the stats that your link provided or correct... 
then it is pretty sad that the NCAA site cannot seem to update their stats correctly.
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<< Dunno where you got those numbers from, Hammer >> (3LT)

http://goducks.com/cumestats.aspx?path=softball

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I got them from this place - last night.

https://stats.ncaa.org/team/529/stats?id=13430&year_stat_category_id=13301 

They had Elish's W-L record at 13-1...   and Kleist's W-L record at 13-4.
That told me that they had not added in the stats from Oregon's last two games.
So I added the stats from the last two games to the stats they listed.

If the stats that your link provided or correct... 
then it is pretty sad that the NCAA site cannot seem to update their stats correctly.
they have a kid on the ducks with 11 hrs... she has 13
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<< they have a kid on the ducks with 11 hrs... she has 13 >> (3LT)

Exactly.
She hit her 12th and 13th HR on 4/14.
The stats seem to NOT include their last two games (from 4/14 and 4/15).

Which is why I added the pitching stats from those two games - to the totals.
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But the stats on ncaa say... 4/15 and have oregon at 34-6...no?
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<< But the stats on ncaa say... 4/15 and have oregon at 34-6...no? >> (3LT)

No. They have all the games through the third ASU game included on the team schedule page (with their W-L record at 34-7).
But... many times they do not update the individual player stats until much later.


https://stats.ncaa.org/teams/312491 


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Who gets the start against OU Thursday?

Both Elish and Kleist have had their ups and downs against UCLA, who I believe has an offense that is comparable to OUs.

I would go with Kleist, as she can keep even the best offenses off balance with her incredible mix of speeds. Elish isn’t a bad option either, glad I’m not the one making that call.

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jeesus.... they had been accurate all year until now

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