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keepinitreal

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

I think I'm going to use this in honor of such great insight, may I?

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
pabar61

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Fine by me.
pabar61

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Originally Posted by Dewey
pabar - It's been six years and I think I've learned full well if you're an Obama supporter, the Right isn't going to like you.  Additionally, I understand everyone feels it's all about the future of our Country.  Why do you think I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012?  Why do you think I'll vote Dem in 2016?

Edit:  Btw, do you really want me to search out that post where I listed some criticisms I made of Obama?  I'm not going to search it out or type it again.  You can go find it and quote if you wish.


For the umpteen millionth time, this is completely inaccurate and is merely an attempt to devalue our opinions.  There are two things, relevant to this forum, that I don't like:
  1. Obama's policies.
  2. Intellectually dishonest discourse due to an agenda to "win the debate".
That's it.
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You do know if I would have reacted similarly, I would have been accused of being flustered and told, "relax, this is only a softball forum".  [smile]
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pabar - That last post was for your earlier response.  To this one I say, I want you to be honest.  This is an excellent President who has accomplished many great things.  Please stop with all the dishonest characterizations that he has been bad for our Country.
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You do know if I would have reacted similarly, I would have been accused of being flustered and told, "relax, this is only a softball forum".  [smile]


So what.
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pabar - That last post was for your earlier response.  To this one I say, I want you to be honest.  This is an excellent President who has accomplished many great things.  Please stop with all the dishonest characterizations that he has been bad for our Country.


Please share with the rest of us the hits of acid that you must have to take to write a post like this.
Dewey

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pabar - I knew you wouldn't accept my description but the point is you can call me intellectually dishonest all day long and I can call you the same.  Where does it get us?  Why do you go down that dead end over and over.  Just because you characterize somebody some way doesn't make it so.  It's a false accusation born from a misguided opinion.  Stop moaning over how I make the case for Democrats.  Please.
mikec

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This thread has reached such levels of ridiculousness that I'd recommend it be allowed to die from loneliness.
keepinitreal

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I know but I did get a great by line to use for later, it was worth it. Have you ever seen the list of Dewey's authored threads? Not very impressive list
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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pabar - One day it's intellectual dishonesty and the next day it's my white skin and male gender.  Some days it's my supposed desire in keeping the poor in poverty or being okay with children being raped.  Another day it might be about having no concern about the deaths of veterans or my supposed support of unfettered abortion.  Every day is something else but the common denominator remains the same.  If one supports Obama, this forum, and most of the Right on the outside, will find them far less than favorable.  Why you try to spin it any other way is beyond me.  I say take advantage of this forum to make a case to readers why they should support Republicans and avoid all the personal frustration regarding my support of Obama and Democrats as a whole. 
Dewey

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Hey you guys, FIB is going to come grab you by the collar and yank you right outta here.  [wink]
keepinitreal

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FIB said "stay focused", we are
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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Originally Posted by Dewey
all the personal frustration regarding my support of Obama and Democrats as a whole. 


That's not where the frustration is borne, it's when a political junkie doesn't even know what the definition of gerrymandering is and then expects to be trusted on any topic

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
mikec

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Originally Posted by Dewey
pabar - One day it's intellectual dishonesty and the next day it's my white skin and male gender.  Some days it's my supposed desire in keeping the poor in poverty or being okay with children being raped.  Another day it might be about having no concern about the deaths of veterans or my supposed support of unfettered abortion.  Every day is something else but the common denominator remains the same.  If one supports Obama, this forum, and most of the Right on the outside, will find them far less than favorable.  Why you try to spin it any other way is beyond me.  I say take advantage of this forum to make a case to readers why they should support Republicans and avoid all the personal frustration regarding my support of Obama and Democrats as a whole. 


One last post before I abandon this thread.  

I give people with Obama '08 stickers a pass, but I bump in the rear the ones with Obama '12. 
After the first term, they should've known better.
 
I also don't let them merge on the freeway, or pull out in front of me. 

I race them for parking spots near the door, and steal their intended gas pumps at stations.
 
If possible, instead of opening a door like a door for everyone else, I pull it closed in front of them.
 
I cut them in line at the grocery store, and if they have frozen stuff in their carts, I go back and get 6 or 8 items that I "forgot".

I push every single button in the elevator before I get out.
 
I park my car in the street, and overlap their driveway, so they have to drive over their lawn to get out. 

If I notice them behind me, I sit at the light all the way through the green phase, then finally go just as the yellow turns to red, so they have to wait a whole nuther cycle. 

In parking lots, I park really close to their driver's side, so they have to climb in through the passenger side. 

I also make sure they see my Calvin and Hobbes sticker, where Calvin is peeing on the words Obama '12.

I usually spill a little Slurpee on their shoes as they wait behind me.  I also try a little of every one, so they have to wait a long time.

I get real indecisive at Moe's when they are behind me.

I borrow their tools and don't give them back.

Other than that, I think they are fine people, and would never go out of my way to criticize or harass them.

keepinitreal

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Grin inducing for sure. I'm sure you will you continue your soldiering on with the rainbow Hillary stickers also. Democrats are bad for America for sure
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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mikec - I like those.  Funny stuff.  I know you're joking but I was a bit more serious when I asked what do some of you say to your Democrat friends?  From the reaction I get around here, you know the "we've got to save the Country" kind of stuff, it makes me wonder how some here reconcile their relationships with those of opposite political views?  I don't think you take this stuff nearly as deep as some here do but it still begs the question, how do Conservatives have Democrat friends if they think they're dangerous people?  That must be a conundrum.
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mikec - I like those.  Funny stuff.  I know you're joking but I was a bit more serious when I asked what do some of you say to your Democrat friends?  From the reaction I get around here, you know the "we've got to save the Country" kind of stuff, it makes me wonder how some here reconcile their relationships with those of opposite political views?  I don't think you take this stuff nearly as deep as some here do but it still begs the question, how do Conservatives have Democrat friends if they think they're dangerous people?  That must be a conundrum.


Based upon your question, I guess you'd be shocked to know that I have gay friends, black friends, Asian friends, indian friends, and the worst of all -Yankee friends (though they live in the South now, so their is rehabilitative hope for them yet).  Geez, I even have women friends.

I do not, nor will I ever, have any Scientologist friends.  A man's gotta draw the line.

So what's the point?

And, I take politics quite seriously.

EDIT:  as for what I tell them, I tell them their boy POTUS is trying to do a man's job, and failing miserably.  I also tell them that I regret that he fomented racial divide, ruined the economy, and made us a laughing stock overseas.

I also tell them that, while I still can, I carry everywhere, and my firearm is very accessible for emergency use.

Remarkably, they never seem to take much issue with any of my views. [smile]

TylerDurden

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Originally Posted by Dewey
pabar - One day it's intellectual dishonesty and the next day it's my white skin and male gender.  Some days it's my supposed desire in keeping the poor in poverty or being okay with children being raped.  Another day it might be about having no concern about the deaths of veterans or my supposed support of unfettered abortion.  Every day is something else but the common denominator remains the same.  If one supports Obama, this forum, and most of the Right on the outside, will find them far less than favorable.  Why you try to spin it any other way is beyond me.  I say take advantage of this forum to make a case to readers why they should support Republicans and avoid all the personal frustration regarding my support of Obama and Democrats as a whole. 


And you wonder why you think every thread turns into one about you....

My democratic friends know how to have an intellectually honest conversation.
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Tyler - This thread was invited to be about me.  That said, here's your opportunity to substantiate something you just claimed.  Type up a mock exchange between you and your Democrat friends and then type one based on me contrasting the difference between intellectually honest and dishonest conversation.  My money doubts you can.  While I wait, here are some intellectual dishonesty examples for you to ponder...

Obama is a foreigner.
Obama is worst ever.
Obama doesn't like whites.
Obama doesn't like police or military.
Obama is un-American.
Obama is not a Christian.
Obama doesn't care if children are raped.
Obama is a clown.
Obama is an amateur.


I have a long list of what can be described as intellectually dishonest statements made by Conservatives but, forget about those for now, I'm waiting for you to make a clear example so our readers can have some clue as to what in the world you're talking about.  Take your time.
TylerDurden

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Me: did you see where Gruber admitted they needed to deceive the American public about what the true costs of Obamacare would be?

Democrat friend: yeah, that looks really bad, if that's true that is not good.

Dewey: we've covered this already! Gruber is a nobody and that's not what he meant. Look at the good it's doing, that should overshadow whatever was said to get it passed.

I didn't need much time - but I don't think I should be the only one playing this little game. I invite everyone to share their history of intellectually dishonest exchanges with Dewey, and then counter them with how one of your other democratic friends would have answered!
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Dewey: we've covered this already! Gruber is a nobody and that's not what he meant. Look at the good it's doing, that should overshadow whatever was said to get it passed.


Tyler - You're going to need to pull out and post this quote because almost all of that is made up.  I said Gruber, as it relates to his comments regarding Obamacare, is unimportant.  The rest you completely fabricated.

Edit:  Let me try another.

Me:  Under Obama we've had record consecutive months of job growth, record corporate profits, and record stock market levels.

Conservative friend:  Wow, that's pretty good.

UCS Conservatives:  Obama is not responsible for any of that.

Now should we do this for a few weeks or should one side quit playing pot and kettle?
TylerDurden

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It's a summation of your quotes. You asked for one based on you... And every time we talk about the half-truths needed to pass Obamacare… You spout off all the good it's doing. That's an extremely accurate quote based on you. And if you want another example of intellectual dishonesty, look at your above post when you call the person that helped diagram the playbook to get the law passed unimportant when making comments about getting the said law passed. If you can't see that… Then we really have nothing left to talk about.
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Tyler - OK, you don't have anything.  You have chosen to define those who don't agree with you as being intellectually dishonest.  That's not uncommon in this forum.  I'll repeat, what some guy thinks about the American voters is unimportant from my point of view.  If he talked publicly like that while the Administration was still trying to pass the legislation, then I would think differently and suggest he should be removed from the process.  From what I understand, there are differences in opinion as to how involved he was to the process.  In any event, I was misquoted, it was a horrible example, and my challenge still stands.  Now please tell me which on my list were not dishonest statements made by several inside here, including some who call me intellectually dishonest.
TylerDurden

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Of course he's not going to say that while they are trying to pass the bill!!! Did you really just type that?
TylerDurden

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I made none of those comments...find one I made and I'll address it.
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Tyler - Recently, you asked me if I was OK with the "left" blaming the Amtrak deaths on Republicans.  You didn't apply it to one or two individuals, nor did you use the term "some", but you used "left".  You wanted to hang it around the neck of all Democrats if possible.  If you think that sentence is the start of an intellectually honest exchange, then you and I have more differences in opinion than either of us can ever realize.
TylerDurden

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And you never answered that question… And scolded me for asking you. give me one reason I should answer yours?
mikec

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Tyler - the quicksand is pulling you down.  Get out while you can.
TylerDurden

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I am out. He knows he's lost when he's answering his own question.

Thanks for the lifeline...it's easy to get sucked in.
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