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keepinitreal

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but dewy Did say gruber was a nobody. Even while he developed the government program dewy loves to tout. Obama sure didn't build the program, he's a community organizer and had no program building skills.
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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Tyler - I don't think they want their threads cluttered up with you hinting I'm lying about this or that.  If you have an accusation to make against me, please make it in this thread and I'll try to clear it up for you, quicksand or otherwise. [wink] 
TylerDurden

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No thanks....it's clearer to the readers when your misrepresentations are confronted directly when they happen.
Dewey

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Ok, but I don't think anything is very clear, if you want my opinion.
TylerDurden

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Ok, but I don't think anything is very clear, if you want my opinion.


That's clear by your answers
TylerDurden

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Thanks KIR. He's wiggling like a fish, and he'll never admit anything. But he got busted and now he will claim he doesn't know what I'm talking about. A threat or a veiled accusation is next.
keepinitreal

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I deleted because someone will accuse of ganging up. He can't take anyone even one on one so I'll allow you to catch his misrepresentations and I'll pop my popcorn and watch him spin from one dishonesty to another.. yes he's wiggling like a fish on a hook per usual
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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"The stimulus was a complete waste, mostly giveaways to donors, and any attempt to pretend otherwise is an outright lie."

How do you fix that? [smile]
TylerDurden

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Seems pretty accurate to me.
masare

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Dewey seriously?...I am worried that you continue to try to engage these.....posters[tongue]  I know it's fun but....
keepinitreal

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Masare, how the hell are ya? Glad to hear from you. Seems that Dietwatereddown coke has had some serious problems with high blood pressure, hope she's better. Watch your diet, best advice I can give you.
Hope the end of the school year finds you well, have a glorious summer.

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
masare

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KIR thanks...I see you continue to keep it real here on misc!
keepinitreal

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Masare quit making us wait so long in between your visits. It's not fair
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
BillSmith

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The way I learned it...

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pabar61

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Thought I would direct the conversation back here after seeing all the back and forth about gays and blacks.

It's come to this.  Mikec, a very reasonable and intelligent person (much more so than me on both counts) has been driven to calling Dewey an idiot.

My theory is that this is exactly what Dewey wants to elicit from those of us on the right.  

The strategy goes something like this - raise an issue, get conservatives to comment on it with reason and facts, change the conversation, elicit frustration from the conservatives, create strawman diversions, elicit anger from the conservatives, come up with ridiculously implausible hypotheticals, elicit rage from the conservatives, feign confusion as to what the frustration/anger/rage is about, elicit name-calling from the conservatives, criticize the name-calling, move on to the next subject.

I think this is Dewey's main source of entertainment.
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pabar - I think you're blinded by your partisanship.  The Right inside here wants the ability to say anything they wish totally unencumbered.  If Democrats exercise this same right to speak as they wish, then we're subject to personal attacks ad nauseum.  It's been that way from day one and it's why this thread exists. 

For example, mikec and you can say anything at all in here and never be called an idiot, moronic, prick, girlie, a**hole, yellow-bellied, etc.  Of course, that's a courtesy you should be given but, unfortunately, too many on your side have taken it for granted.
pabar61

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Dewey - feel free to call me any name you want.  I won't complain.  I'll take it at face value and I'll press on with my beliefs and opinions.  Politics is a nasty business and you don't have the stomach for the name-calling then maybe you ought to reconsider your entire participation in this forum.

The problem is that when you get backed into a corner or you realize you've lost the argument, you play the victim card.  Nodody likes that.  People would respect you a lot more if you would just admit once in a while that the President or you is not perfect.

Remember when John Kerry called Bush an idiot?  Do you really think that doesn't happen a thousand times a day in DC?
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pabar - Outside of "disrespectful" on occasion, I have no intentions to start calling you or anyone else derogatory names.   As always, your sentence asking me to say something bad about Obama is what this forum is mostly about.  The supporter of your enemy is your enemy.
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You couldn't be more wrong.  All I want is honesty.  What you see from the Conservatives is an honest discussion about the shortcomings of the Republican party.  Its inability to control spending, to stand up to Obama, to effectively deal with Reid's and Pelosi's shenanigans.  We Conservatives are not happy about that.

George W. Bush was not a great president but I respect him as a good person.  He did what he thought was right.  The vitriol he got from the left was far more than anything Obama has gotten.  Still, he had shortcomings.  He didn't control spending.  He didn't manage the Iraq aftermath as well as he should have.  Those are major disappointments on hugely impactful issues.

If we look at the entire body of your comments about Obama, what we see is endless defense of the indefensible, speaking on behalf of Obama as if you actually know him, and then cheapening of our honest criticisms by equating them to either racism or a general dislike of the person.

You have already admitted that you won't criticize him because you feel it's bad debate strategy - I think that's what bothers me most.  You think this is some sort of debate game rather than a very honest and open discussion of the issues that impact us all.

I know you claim to not understand why people direct things at you the way they do but if you were to honestly think about all the good people who have been on this forum who end up either disliking you or spewing at you, the common theme is - you.
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Originally Posted by pabar61


I know you claim to not understand why people direct things at you the way they do but if you were to honestly think about all the good people who have been on this forum who end up either disliking you or spewing at you, the common theme is - you.


pabar - Wrong.  The common theme for those who attack or dislike me is that I'm a Democrat.  That's it.  Most of these people don't know me from Adam but just can't get past the fact I'm a Democrat that is loyal to Obama.  I know because I have received several emails and PM's from members who didn't have the same concern about me being a Dem.
pabar61

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I won't speak for anyone else but you're 100% wrong about me.
TylerDurden

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100% wrong about me as well
keepinitreal

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There are many reasons I don't like dewy, probably the #10 reason is he is a demoRat.  So that is 3 that dispute his contention that he says is 'a common theme'.
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
mikec

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Originally Posted by Dewey
pabar - I think you're blinded by your partisanship.  The Right inside here wants the ability to say anything they wish totally unencumbered.  If Democrats exercise this same right to speak as they wish, then we're subject to personal attacks ad nauseum.  It's been that way from day one and it's why this thread exists. 

For example, mikec and you can say anything at all in here and never be called an idiot, moronic, prick, girlie, a**hole, yellow-bellied, etc.  Of course, that's a courtesy you should be given but, unfortunately, too many on your side have taken it for granted.


I called you an idiot, because it was appropriate to your remarks.

I was, and am, trying to have a conversation about the details and mechanics of some SCOTUS decisions that I find dangerous.

You completely ignore those thoughts, and immediately move to bigotry against gay marriage.

My comments had little to do with gay marriage, beyond the fact that it was the topic of the ruling.  If the same ruling came down, worded the same way, regardless of the topic of hand.

You chose to ignore that, supported by your buddy DC, posting treatises on love and happiness.  You  instead predictably played the bigot card.

If that is how you choose to answer a serious discussion, then your comments are idiotic.

As pabar said, once you illicit someone like me saying that, then it's all about how mean people are, like your statements above.

My comment relative to the WalMart violence was to show that the press (and, IMO, liberals) will go out of their way to ignore the race of criminals if they are one ethnic group, but will contort themselves into pretzels if it's another.

Instead of actually being able to think intellectually about that, you go to the racist card.

Again, idiotic.
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Well said
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mikec - With all due respect, I think you and I are reading different posts.  Maybe one has to be on the other side to see it clearly but, in my opinion, it seems self restraint here at UCS has gone right out the window. 

Let me give you some examples as to what I read here.  If a white guy is shot somewhere in a white neighborhood in this Country, the mocking begins here with questions like, "do you think they'll burn down their neighborhood?".  If you don't get the jest behind a ridiculous comment like this, I can promise you it's a negative characterization.  While I thank you for clarifying your Wal Mart remark, can you see how the question asking "can you guess his race" can rub some people the wrong way? 

Of course a discussion of whether the SC made a mistake in its ruling can be had but much of this, actually it really started long before this decision, has morphed into accusations charging the gay community as being on a march to shove their lifestyle down the throats of Americans.  Needless to say, I think this is a very unfair characterization of the gay community, to put it mildly, and, if you think otherwise, then we're obviously going to disagree.  Finally, throw in the Bruce Jenner mocking and it just seems all respect for anything discussed in here is almost non-existent these days.  Like I said earlier, it's hard to read these posts without saying something.

PS:  Please note I didn't go back to see which handles are behind which comments so mine is a general criticism of what our forum has become, as opposed to an accusation that you're responsible for all these comments.
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My comment relative to the WalMart violence was to show that the press (and, IMO, liberals) will go out of their way to ignore the race of criminals if they are one ethnic group, but will contort themselves into pretzels if it's another.




mikec - Just to add one other point, you do know you just accused Liberals of being racist against some folks in favor of others, right?  Then oddly, you followed that up with the sentence below accusing others of playing race cards.  Again, we sure read these posts differently.



"Instead of actually being able to think intellectually about that, you go to the racist card."
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As usual, mikec's right. [smile]
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Originally Posted by pabar61
I know you claim to not understand why people direct things at you the way they do but if you were to honestly think about all the good people who have been on this forum who end up either disliking you or spewing at you, the common theme is - you.

pabar - Wrong.  The common theme for those who attack or dislike me is that I'm a Democrat.  That's it. (Don't be so modest - you're far more active than the typical Democrat.) Most of these people don't know me from Adam but just can't get past the fact I'm a Democrat that is loyal to Obama. (I expect most Democrats to be loyal to Obama. It's just the ones that raise it to God-like reverence and refuse to acknowledge any of his faults/errors that bug me. You're like Eleanor Clift in that respect.) I know because I have received several emails and PM's from members who didn't have the same concern about me being a Dem.

LOL That last line was a joke.
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As usual, mikec's right. [smile]


I can't remember a UCS Conservative ever responding any other way to another UCS Conservative, unless it's a religious Conservative vs a non religious Conservative.  Outside of that, criticizing another UCS Conservative is taboo.  Funny though, they still find time to criticize me for not calling out the faults of President Obama.  Smh
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