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uwApoligist

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Yuck.  Big bunch of spending in that thing.  Little on border protection.  Wish Trump could veto it.  Unfortunately it seems they have porked this thing to the hilt ensuring they have the votes to override, and we know they are looking for their opportunity to give him a black eye.
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Both sides continue to spend the necessary funds to provide their constituents with the services they request.  The GOP will continue to search out tax cuts in order to reduce revenue always hoping this will force a cut in spending.  As history has shown, it won't work as constituents will continue to demand a certain level of services.  By 2020 our annual deficits will exceed $1 Trillion and Democrats may win the WH.  The next Administration will make necessary budget adjustments (most likely new taxes) which will drive deficits down from $1 Trillion to maybe around $400 Billion over the first four years.  The lowering of the deficit will mean absolutely nothing to the Right as they charge Democrats with adding even more to our debt. 
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Yuck.  Big bunch of spending in that thing.  Little on border protection.  Wish Trump could veto it.  Unfortunately it seems they have porked this thing to the hilt ensuring they have the votes to override, and we know they are looking for their opportunity to give him a black eye.


Trump seems to like it.  It's a huge pile of crap.

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Both sides continue to spend the necessary funds to provide their constituents with the services they request.  The GOP will continue to search out tax cuts in order to reduce revenue always hoping this will force a cut in spending.


On a day like today, you just have to let Dewey go. The rest of his post was all lies, but at least he got this part right.

Thanks Trump supporters and all those who voted for incumbents

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So we should throw out both parties? They've had their chance. Sucked at it.

If your stock broker ran your retirement fund like Congress handles the country's finances, you'd fire him.

When CEOs perform like our past presidents, they get fired.

Athletic Directors of major universities that run deficits get shown the door.

Obviously, I could go on.

But there is the two-party system claiming to represent us, all the while their wallets seem to be well-lined.

Why do they call them a Party? What do you think? More #1 below than #2? That's how I'm seeing it.

1.
a social gathering of invited guests, typically involving eating, drinking, and entertainment.

2.
a formally constituted political group, typically operating on a national basis, that contests elections and attempts to form or take part in a government.

I think the key word in the above two statements is "attempts". To paraphrase Yoda,

There is Do, or Do Not. There is no Attempt.

They attempted. They failed. GTFO ya bunch of failures.

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This just goes to show we are way past the tipping point. This is America now. Glad I’m on the downhill side of life so I don’t have to witness the total raping of this once great Republic
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GOP has sold out, but we knew that 2 years ago.

Just wait until Nov.  If Dems win Congress, the cuffs are off, and it can be P-A-R-T-A-Y.

The only hope is if nadlicker Hannity tells him to veto it, because he is the only one the POTUS actually listens to.  But, he's too busy coming up with yet more Clinton and Mueller stories to care.
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GOP has sold out, but we knew that 2 years ago.

Just wait until Nov.  If Dems win Congress, the cuffs are off, and it can be P-A-R-T-A-Y.

The only hope is if nadlicker Hannity tells him to veto it, because he is the only one the POTUS actually listens to.  But, he's too busy coming up with yet more Clinton and Mueller stories to care.

You were saying 5 weeks ago that government was needed to build roads/infrastructure and offer services.   Grumble grumble all you want, but have a sense of direction, besides TDS. 

Would love to see Trump veto, but he will not.  House republicans should have never done it in the first place.

A lot of this is about McConnell really relishing his backroom power he is wielding.  He is forcing everything to go through the front door at the Senate, and that is 60 votes to pass.    As long as he rejects votes to force reconciliation we will see these large compromise bills getting rammed through. 

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I like dewey's new budgetary awareness.  That is going to be awesome in the future.
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Don't project your Messiah's failures on me.

I have said that I think building roads and bridges is about the only thing the gov't does that creates jobs.  I also said that privatization of our infrastructure does not work.

That is hardly advocating for more gov't spending.

Your boy screwed the pooch.  You can blame everyone you want, because we know you will.

The fact remains, trump is a big gov't liberal.

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You were saying 5 weeks ago that government was needed to build roads/infrastructure and offer services.   Grumble grumble all you want, but have a sense of direction, besides TDS. 

Would love to see Trump veto, but he will not.  House republicans should have never done it in the first place.

A lot of this is about McConnell really relishing his backroom power he is wielding.  He is forcing everything to go through the front door at the Senate, and that is 60 votes to pass.    As long as he rejects votes to force reconciliation we will see these large compromise bills getting rammed through. 
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I have said that I think building roads and bridges is about the only thing the gov't does that creates jobs.  I also said that privatization of our infrastructure does not work.

Outside of Defense and public safety, minus prisons, I can't think of anything government does better than private sector. Here in CA Caltrans is about as incompetent as it comes regarding road repairs and improvements. Projects drag on for years. After the Northridge earthquake they used private contractors to rebuild some freeway overpasses that collapsed. They were done in a few months, not a few years. The contract had time and performance bonuses that the contractors took advantage of and still saved money over in house work. Caltrans has hundreds of engineers on staff that have nothing to do. We basically don't build roads anymore, see social engineering, so these people are just collecting checks for nothing.

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First, you can't compare Caltrans to anyone except NY/NJ.  They are the biggest money wasters in the US.

They waste more money than some state DOT's ever see.

FL did a study on efficiency and overall cost to deliver projects.  That study found that the private sector was much more efficient.  Now, they privatize about 95% of their work to private industry.  All designs and construction are done in the private sector, which is how it should be.

The Feds don't build anything.  They send the money to the states, and the states do it.  Some states are more efficient than others - you live in the poster child for waste.

There is a very high premium for that emergency work, and that type arrangement is very common after natural disasters.

Caltrans did a study, too, BTW, with results exactly opposite of FL's.  Go figure.


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Outside of Defense and public safety, minus prisons, I can't think of anything government does better than private sector. Here in CA Caltrans is about as incompetent as it comes regarding road repairs and improvements. Projects drag on for years. After the Northridge earthquake they used private contractors to rebuild some freeway overpasses that collapsed. They were done in a few months, not a few years. The contract had time and performance bonuses that the contractors took advantage of and still saved money over in house work. Caltrans has hundreds of engineers on staff that have nothing to do. We basically don't build roads anymore, see social engineering, so these people are just collecting checks for nothing.

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Don't project your Messiah's failures on me.

I have said that I think building roads and bridges is about the only thing the gov't does that creates jobs.  I also said that privatization of our infrastructure does not work.

That is hardly advocating for more gov't spending.

Your boy screwed the pooch.  You can blame everyone you want, because we know you will.

The fact remains, trump is a big gov't liberal.


Don't project greatness onto yourself.  You were against any spending cuts, but whatever. 

No reason to blame anyone, very clear politicians in Washington are to blame.  Before Trump, During Trump and post Trump it will be the same.  Trump included this time.


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 I also said that privatization of our infrastructure does not work.


Then I guess I misunderstood this statement.

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Then I guess I misunderstood this statement.


What I meant by that was, at the time, trump was proposing to cut funding for roads, and transfer that responsibility to private companies.

Not every road can be a toll road.
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.....You were against any spending cuts, but whatever. 

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Not sure why the nevertrump brothers are pinning this on trump? I'm being sincere, I honestly don't get it. Is their inference that a different gop president like mcmuffin or mccain would have gotten a different omnibus bill? Doesn't the blame for this draft fall at the feet of mcconnell and ryan? Did Trump write it? I must not understand how this works.
Anyway, for sure it's on him if he doesn't veto this sh1tpile. What a boondoggle.

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Over 2200 pages. Already voted on. You can’t tell me a single person in the House or Senate has even read the damn thing. It’s like the Obamacare bill. ‘We have to pass it so we know what’s in it”
Pelosi and Schumer must be laughing in their Chardonnay over how they control the weak beotches running the Republican Party.
Absolutely disgusting.

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You gave him credit for saving fictitious jobs before he was even in office, but he can shoulder no blame for the passing of a budget by the party he is the leader of?

Meet the new guy, same as the old guy.

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Are you replying to me cuz I have no idea what the hell you are talking about
Atnything to do with R is a cluster and an embarrassment, from top to bottom.

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lol I think he's replying to my pointing out that trump had zero to do with writing this omnibus bill. I tweaked his nevertrump.
Agreed, the gop careerists are fully exposed. I understand why mike is so pissed off that there are very few Cx conservatives left in federal politics. Did I mention that our current political evolution and gridlock are the hallmark canary in a coal mine of an Empire in decline?

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He was talking to Early fo sho


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Just figured TD was being TD
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Durden is a good independent, almost libertarian.  Mixed feelings about his 2ndA stance
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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America lost.........Trump sold out.........And, there's nobody else to help us..........
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Are you replying to me cuz I have no idea what the hell you are talking about
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Definitely EG - triggered his Trump defense mechanism so much he can’t even read. Of course trump didn’t have anything to do with writing the bill, that’s Dewey level civics. I said he had something to do with passing it. EG convienently left that part out.

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trump is considering vetoing the bill because it doesn't provide amnesty to illegals.
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trump is considering vetoing the bill because it doesn't provide amnesty to illegals.


And because it doesn't have enough money for the border wall.  I'm all for the border wall but this bill already has too much spending.  If they're going to add funding for the wall, they need to take out 100 times that in other spending.

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And because it doesn't have enough money for the border wall.  I'm all for the border wall but this bill already has too much spending.  If they're going to add funding for the wall, they need to take out 100 times that in other spending.


his tweets only reference DACA
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