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outofzone

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News from Oklahoma's season-opening team banquet last night: Vestal will redshirt this season. She'll train, learn, mature while being with the team at all practices and on all road trips. Gasso said Vestal approached the coaching staff about redshirting.

It's a crowded circle with Juarez, Saile and Lopez -- and Patty indicated Mendes will pitch more this season. She said they'll take the committee approach as a staff. Interesting.

Caleigh Clifton named team captain. Gasso said it will be one of the nation's best offensive lineups.


In consideration of that this news is accurate, this revelation shouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone. Except maybe to too many on this very thread penciling her in as a #2 or even competing for the #1 spot. 

Vestel should serve as a textbook example of what happens when an over-hyped recruit gets introduced to the collegiate game. Especially pitchers. 

Another thing. OU graduates exactly zero pitcher next year. I'll make a prediction now this Redshirt is nothing more than laying the groundwork for a transfer next Fall. Logically, does anybody really believe she'll stick around to find out nothing has changed?

Then again, maybe she is perfectly fine with guarding the Bullpen for 2 full years.

I'm thinking bunch of coaches right now figuring out a way to let her know she will be more than welcome to their program. Especially FSU & Auburn.
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In consideration of that this news is accurate, this revelation shouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone. Except maybe to too many on this very thread penciling her in as a #2 or even competing for the #1 spot. 

Vestel should serve as a textbook example of what happens when an over-hyped recruit gets introduced to the collegiate game. Especially pitchers. 

Another thing. OU graduates exactly zero pitcher next year. I'll make a prediction now this Redshirt is nothing more than laying the groundwork for a transfer next Fall. Logically, does anybody really believe she'll stick around to find out nothing has changed?

Then again, maybe she is perfectly fine with guarding the Bullpen for 2 full years.

I'm thinking bunch of coaches right now figuring out a way to let her know she will be more than welcome to their program. Especially FSU & Auburn.


I couldn’t disagree more with this statement about a transfer. Even if in the event that she guards the bullpen next year, she will still have 3 solid years in which she is the veteran of the pitching staff. I think this year will be of great value to her and her acclimation to the college game.

I could be totally wrong, but I highly doubt it. When teams play for championships year after year, not every kid can come in play right away. I understand the instant gratification mindset of society these days but as always patience is a good virtue.
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In consideration of that this news is accurate, this revelation shouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone. Except maybe to too many on this very thread penciling her in as a #2 or even competing for the #1 spot. 

Vestel should serve as a textbook example of what happens when an over-hyped recruit gets introduced to the collegiate game. Especially pitchers. 

Another thing. OU graduates exactly zero pitcher next year. I'll make a prediction now this Redshirt is nothing more than laying the groundwork for a transfer next Fall. Logically, does anybody really believe she'll stick around to find out nothing has changed?

Then again, maybe she is perfectly fine with guarding the Bullpen for 2 full years.

I'm thinking bunch of coaches right now figuring out a way to let her know she will be more than welcome to their program. Especially FSU & Auburn.


I'll predict that your prediction on Vestal is wrong.
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I'll predict that your prediction on Vestal is wrong.

Being that Vestal approached the coaching staff on this subject I doubt she goes anywhere anytime soon. Of course that could change should Mike White want to tamper with another schools program again.
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Its a little out there to call Vestal a bust when she hasn't thrown a pitch in college yet. The red shirt makes sense. You have Juarez, Saile, Lopez, Conrad, and Mendes who are all juniors. With a red shirt year Vestal will be a soph. when all those pitchers graduate. It seems Patty has decided to have bigger staffs since having to overuse Parker in the world series/playoffs last year. With Raines, Thiede, and McAdoo as 2019's. Next year OU will have 9 pitchers on staff(including Mendes who will be a starting outfielder). Makes you wonder if a freshman or 2 could red shirt next season also.  I also think you have to plan for some leaving. Whoever is at the lower end of the totem poll will probably transfer. That's true to all programs. 
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Being that Vestal approached the coaching staff on this subject I doubt she goes anywhere anytime soon. Of course that could change should Mike White want to tamper with another schools program again.


Program number 3 coming up!
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Being that Vestal approached the coaching staff on this subject I doubt she goes anywhere anytime soon. Of course that could change should Mike White want to tamper with another schools program again.


OU turning into SaltU
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Being that Vestal approached the coaching staff on this subject I doubt she goes anywhere anytime soon. Of course that could change should Mike White want to tamper with another schools program again.

Vestal is smart.  She is saving herself a season of eligibility when she decides to transfer come June.  She and her family realize Gasso lied to them about the pitching depth chart in 2019 as she went in the transfer market and tampered with the ASU and FIU pitchers to get them to Norman.
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I couldn’t disagree more with this statement about a transfer. Even if in the event that she guards the bullpen next year, she will still have 3 solid years in which she is the veteran of the pitching staff. I think this year will be of great value to her and her acclimation to the college game.

I could be totally wrong, but I highly doubt it. When teams play for championships year after year, not every kid can come in play right away. I understand the instant gratification mindset of society these days but as always patience is a good virtue.

No, she won't because Gasso will continue to mine the transfer market for experienced pitchers.  Her track record speaks for itself the last few years in that area.  It's already opening the eyes of high school pitchers considering OU.
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Vestal is smart.  She is saving herself a season of eligibility when she decides to transfer come June.  She and her family realize Gasso lied to them about the pitching depth chart in 2019 as she went in the transfer market and tampered with the ASU and FIU pitchers to get them to Norman.



It has to take effort to be as big a moron as you. Again this is the guy that just wants OU off the Texas thread because he never talks OU. I’m sure Texas will have a bunch of spots after the tampering charges that will eventually come out with White and Oregon. But I guess he had no choice with the weak recruiting classes coming in.
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It has to take effort to be as big a moron as you. Again this is the guy that just wants OU off the Texas thread because he never talks OU. I’m sure Texas will have a bunch of spots after the tampering charges that will eventually come out with White and Oregon. But I guess he had no choice with the weak recruiting classes coming in.

HI Pester.  You were talking sh!t on the Texas thread earlier today, or did your little pea brain already forget?

I'm here to stay thanks to you.  Get used to it.
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HI Pester.  You were talking sh!t on the Texas thread earlier today, or did your little pea brain already forget?

I'm here to stay thanks to you.  Get used to it.



Yea Southie I bet you are here to stay...typical fair weather short horn fan. You have 21 pages of posts on this board and 18 pages of them since CMW took over. Texass couldn’t get it done on the big stage with one of the best in the game in Cat Osterman and Miranda Elish is no Cat Osterman, Mike White couldn’t get it done with a much better team at Oregon and he won’t get it done at Texass.....so keep typing and dreaming because that’s about all you’ll have at the end of the season......there’s no hardware coming to ATX anytime soon.
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Yea Southie I bet you are here to stay...typical fair weather short horn fan. You have 21 pages of posts on this board and 18 pages of them since CMW took over. Texass couldn’t get it done on the big stage with one of the best in the game in Cat Osterman and Miranda Elish is no Cat Osterman, Mike White couldn’t get it done with a much better team at Oregon and he won’t get it done at Texass.....so keep typing and dreaming because that’s about all you’ll have at the end of the season......there’s no hardware coming to ATX anytime soon.

Thanks for looking at my posting history.  I have nothing to hide.  Been a member since 2010, I believe.  I am certainly not denying that we haven't had much to cheer about since Blair Luna graduated several years go, and that Connie Clark had to go as she was killing our program and fan support.

OU fans post more about our new coach than the Longhorn fans do.  I wonder why that is.  Why so preoccupied and interested with little 'ole insignificant Texas softball?

What specifically am I "typing and dreaming" about?  Show me one post where I have made any type of prediction for the future.  Being optimistic that our program is headed in the right direction obviously ruffles your feathers.   Just another typical Gooner on here spreading lies about what I've posted on this board because they don't have good reading comprehension skills, and prefer to make up crap instead.
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I didn’t make anything up, you’ve spewed more sine White took over, that’s the truth. Fairweather fan....that’s the truth, you stated so yourself in the above post. As for myself, I was one of the first to say that Texass being relevant is good for the conference which in turn is good for OU. It doesn’t bother me to have better teams in the Big 12. It makes for better softball.
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My two cents worth. If memory serves me correct, Vestal played for Rico in Cali while residing in Texas her last year or two in summer ball. That being said, I think she would want to pitch in college sooner than later. Maybe redshirting this year is OK, but I bet she is attending a different school come fall. What If’s and two cents are both the same, but that’s my guess.
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The redshirt makes sense in either scenario.  Time will tell which scenario plays out.

This "instant gratification' crap is so infuriating to listen to.  S-As have 4 years of eligibility.  While some ladies are content to sit the bench for 1, 2, 3 years until they get their chance, some just want to make the most of their 4 years and play as much as possible.  Particularly in this scenario when your coach is out bringing in multiple transfers at your position nearly every year, it would have to b disheartening to not even get a chance to show what you can do in a real game before you've been relegated to the bench.  If she's good enough, she could contribute real innings in a couple years.  But to the point made above, in the back of her mind has to be "which of this year's freshmen/sophomores are going to be Gasso's next transfer targets when my current teammates graduate?"

in the revenue sports, where going pro is a real possibility, guys want an opportunity to show what they can do and get as much on-field experience as possible.  I find it hard to fault a 5-star QB, for example, for transferring when another 5-star is the starter at his school.  He could go elsewhere and potentially show himself to be a 1st rd pick, or he could sit 2-3 years and hope he gets that chance when the next 5-star freshman shows up.  Pretty easy choice.
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The redshirt makes sense in either scenario.  Time will tell which scenario plays out.

This "instant gratification' crap is so infuriating to listen to.  S-As have 4 years of eligibility.  While some ladies are content to sit the bench for 1, 2, 3 years until they get their chance, some just want to make the most of their 4 years and play as much as possible.  Particularly in this scenario when your coach is out bringing in multiple transfers at your position nearly every year, it would have to b disheartening to not even get a chance to show what you can do in a real game before you've been relegated to the bench.  If she's good enough, she could contribute real innings in a couple years.  But to the point made above, in the back of her mind has to be "which of this year's freshmen/sophomores are going to be Gasso's next transfer targets when my current teammates graduate?"

in the revenue sports, where going pro is a real possibility, guys want an opportunity to show what they can do and get as much on-field experience as possible.  I find it hard to fault a 5-star QB, for example, for transferring when another 5-star is the starter at his school.  He could go elsewhere and potentially show himself to be a 1st rd pick, or he could sit 2-3 years and hope he gets that chance when the next 5-star freshman shows up.  Pretty easy choice.
Great post. Vestal is not wired to sit back and watch.
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I couldn’t disagree more with this statement about a transfer. Even if in the event that she guards the bullpen next year, she will still have 3 solid years in which she is the veteran of the pitching staff. I think this year will be of great value to her and her acclimation to the college game.

I could be totally wrong, but I highly doubt it. When teams play for championships year after year, not every kid can come in play right away. I understand the instant gratification mindset of society these days but as always patience is a good virtue.


No doubt it would be great for OU if Vestel stays put. They can babysit her AND solicit more & better transfers. And certainly she can go down in history as the best that never was by not throwing a single pitch. 

I know nothing about her mindset other than she isn't blind to her Softball environment. And your patience is a virtue comment more applies to an aging Wine than to a Freshman sitting the bench when she knows she can actually play at many other programs. 

And not sure she thinks sitting is of any great value...kids these days aren't that forward thinking. They live in the context of "what's in it for me right now".


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Redshirt this spring and transfer to ULL in the fall. Her and Kleist would be a good tandem. I can see Gerry smiling at that one.
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I didn’t make anything up, you’ve spewed more sine White took over, that’s the truth. Fairweather fan....that’s the truth, you stated so yourself in the above post. As for myself, I was one of the first to say that Texass being relevant is good for the conference which in turn is good for OU. It doesn’t bother me to have better teams in the Big 12. It makes for better softball.

You are welcome to try to find one post of mine where I stated anything you are claiming as "the truth".

Even if I had posted what you are suggesting, so what ?  Am I not allowed to be excited and optimistic about our new head coach?  Why would it even bother you?

Why does it matter that I am more active on this board since our new hire?  As I stated, I've been a member since 2010. You've only been here since 2016.  If you consider this board an indicator of who is a true fan and who is a fair-weather fan, where the hell were you prior to 2016?  Does that make you less of an OU fan than others with a longer tenure on here?

SMH
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Vestal is smart.  She is saving herself a season of eligibility when she decides to transfer come June.  She and her family realize Gasso lied to them about the pitching depth chart in 2019 as she went in the transfer market and tampered with the ASU and FIU pitchers to get them to Norman.

I didn't realize you were privy yo recruiting conversations between Gasso and the Vestal family. Pure speculation.

As far as Oklahoma and Texas getting the jump on the Transfer Portal you might want to get used to it because all the Power 5 schools will use this new free agency to fill needs.
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Vestal is smart.  She is saving herself a season of eligibility when she decides to transfer come June.  She and her family realize Gasso lied to them about the pitching depth chart in 2019 as she went in the transfer market and tampered with the ASU and FIU pitchers to get them to Norman.


Do you really believe what you're saying? Saile was a late transfer and Jaurez was even later. Vestel couldn't of changed her mind even is she wanted to. Ye it sucks to go from actually being penciled in on the depth chart to most likely not throwing a single pitch for 2 full years but, at least she retains the year and has options. 

Parker Conrad's career went South the day she transfered. Think about that.

Gasso didn't lie to anybody and is only doing what EVERY Coach would do given the opportunity.
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A lot of the drivel posted on this thread reflects the jealousy that prevails when any program becomes consistently dominant. Think Yankees in their heyday, Patriots, Bama, etc.
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Do you really believe what you're saying? Saile was a late transfer and Jaurez was even later. Vestel couldn't of changed her mind even is she wanted to. Ye it sucks to go from actually being penciled in on the depth chart to most likely not throwing a single pitch for 2 full years but, at least she retains the year and has options. 

Parker Conrad's career went South the day she transfered. Think about that.

Gasso didn't lie to anybody and is only doing what EVERY Coach would do given the opportunity.


Saile transferred in the second week of July. Given that the 2018 season wrapped up only about a month earlier, I wouldn't call that a late transfer.

Don't know what you're talking about with Conrad. I think she missed much of her last season at Mizzou with an injury and was behind Parker, Lowary and Lopez the day she arrived in Norman. Saw her at the season opening banquet on Friday and she looked great. Gasso looking for significant contributions from her this season.
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OU had 2 girls transfer Mel Olmos and Vanessa Taukeiaho. A pitcher and outfielder. 2 transfers in Juarez and Saile. 5 girls graduated and gained 6 recruits with an early enrollee. Lost 3 pitchers and gained 3 pitchers. So besides gaining 1 player the numbers are pretty much the same.
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OU had 2 girls transfer Mel Olmos and Vanessa Taukeiaho. A pitcher and outfielder. 2 transfers in Juarez and Saile. 5 girls graduated and gained 6 recruits with an early enrollee. Lost 3 pitchers and gained 3 pitchers. So besides gaining 1 player the numbers are pretty much the same.


Where'd Olmos and Taukeiaho transfer to?
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Where'd Olmos and Taukeiaho transfer to?


UC Riverside and Cal State Fullerton, respectively. (That’s what I heard about Taukeiaho, but I don’t see her name on the roster. So, I could be wrong!)
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Saile transferred in the second week of July. Given that the 2018 season wrapped up only about a month earlier, I wouldn't call that a late transfer.

Don't know what you're talking about with Conrad. I think she missed much of her last season at Mizzou with an injury and was behind Parker, Lowary and Lopez the day she arrived in Norman. Saw her at the season opening banquet on Friday and she looked great. Gasso looking for significant contributions from her this season.


You're correct. My bigger point was to the poster saying Gasso had lied to Vestel about her status in the Bullpen depth. 

Yes, Conrad was injured @ MZ which, along with that wackjob Coach pretty much derailed a promising career. I questioned her transfer at the time knowing she would defacto sit behind 2 AA pitchers. Now with the current transfers, I still believe she may not get many quality innings. I hope you're right about her. She's been patient and I'm sure is anxious to contribute. 

Good post.
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You're correct. My bigger point was to the poster saying Gasso had lied to Vestel about her status in the Bullpen depth. 

Yes, Conrad was injured @ MZ which, along with that wackjob Coach pretty much derailed a promising career. I questioned her transfer at the time knowing she would defacto sit behind 2 AA pitchers. Now with the current transfers, I still believe she may not get many quality innings. I hope you're right about her. She's been patient and I'm sure is anxious to contribute. 

Good post.


I wouldn't be surprised if Parker Conrad gets the first shot at being the closer.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Parker Conrad gets the first shot at being the closer.


But is she "wired" for it? Lol
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