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Oger

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But is she "wired" for it? Lol

I have no insight to the program but Conrad taking over the Closer role is what I expect as well. Conrad and Lowary are wired different as well. Conrad has a more extroverted personality and from what I gather is more of a "class clown" type. Lowary was more introverted. They both came to Oklahoma from a cancerous program but for different reasons. Lowary's issue was more mental while Conrad's was more physical.
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I have no insight to the program but Conrad taking over the Closer role is what I expect as well. Conrad and Lowary are wired different as well. Conrad has a more extroverted personality and from what I gather is more of a "class clown" type. Lowary was more introverted. They both came to Oklahoma from a cancerous program but for different reasons. Lowary's issue was more mental while Conrad's was more physical.


LOL. I posted the "wired" comment with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I was responding to a poster who stated Vestal is "not wired to sit back and watch" (as if any of us, outside her family, close friends or teammates have any real insight into how the young lady is "wired").
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I wouldn't be surprised if Parker Conrad gets the first shot at being the closer.


Closers in college softball?  When did this come about?
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Closers in college softball?  When did this come about?

Since teams started carrying 6 or more pitchers. 
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LOL. I posted the "wired" comment with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I was responding to a poster who stated Vestal is "not wired to sit back and watch" (as if any of us, outside her family, close friends or teammates have any real insight into how the young lady is "wired").
Only time will tell but my guess is she will be attending another university this fall.
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Redshirt this spring and transfer to ULL in the fall. Her and Kleist would be a good tandem. I can see Gerry smiling at that one.


This is a great post! [smile]

I would hate to see Brooke in an Olmos situation where she does wait then transfer out after burning years.  
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Only time will tell but my guess is she will be attending another university this fall.


So, you're just guessing how she's wired, then? [wink]
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So, you're just guessing how she's wired, then? [wink]
Yes, but Iā€™m also guessing that she will transfer.
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Only time will tell but my guess is she will be attending another university this fall.


Well, you might be right, but I'll be surprised. While a number of players aren't willing to wait or admit they need to be stronger, better, more mature, Vestal just might be the exception.

I'm sure Oklahoma's recruiting of Vestal has been long and involved, and it continues now that she's on campus. She's bought into a terrific program, one that really puts team ahead of the individual. I'm not saying other programs don't do that, too. But that's definitely where OU is at.

And Oklahoma has a history of players who have waited, worked in secondary roles, etc. Michelle Gascoigne is my favorite example. Probably could have been the #1 at a number of other programs, but played most of four years in Ricketts' shadow. She proved indispensable to the 2013 national championship team. And there have been others.

Yeah, Vestal might leave. Heck, anybody can go anywhere now. But my opinion is she'll stay with the program, see what happens this year. An injury or two could change the picture entirely. My bet is on her being a Sooner in 2020.
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While a number of players aren't willing to wait or admit they need to be stronger, better, more mature, Vestal just might be the exception.


She may very well stay, but I don't know why this statement would have to apply if she leaves.  Couldn't it just be that she's concerned her coach will always jump on the next upgrade/transfer, regardless of how strong, good, or mature she is?  It may be a difference in opinion as to her abilities, or it may be that with upperclass pitchers falling all over themselves every year to play for OU, she will never get her shot, or she'll lose 2-3 years waiting around. 

Redshirting this year and shooting for a big workload in 2021 after getting some innings in a support role as a redshirt freshman in 2020 sounds like a good plan... unless Gasso reloads with a couple of junior/senior transfers for 2021, right?
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Well, you might be right, but I'll be surprised. While a number of players aren't willing to wait or admit they need to be stronger, better, more mature, Vestal just might be the exception.

I'm sure Oklahoma's recruiting of Vestal has been long and involved, and it continues now that she's on campus. She's bought into a terrific program, one that really puts team ahead of the individual. I'm not saying other programs don't do that, too. But that's definitely where OU is at.

And Oklahoma has a history of players who have waited, worked in secondary roles, etc. Michelle Gascoigne is my favorite example. Probably could have been the #1 at a number of other programs, but played most of four years in Ricketts' shadow. She proved indispensable to the 2013 national championship team. And there have been others.

Yeah, Vestal might leave. Heck, anybody can go anywhere now. But my opinion is she'll stay with the program, see what happens this year. An injury or two could change the picture entirely. My bet is on her being a Sooner in 2020.


Good post.

Of course, none of us knows for sure what any player will do when placed in a situation similar to Vestal's. But it has just become very tiresome to see the negative spiel tacked onto anything and everything associated with the Oklahoma softball program. It's like I stated in a previous post, jealousy has a way of turning us into critics and antagonists.

I have no idea whether Vestal will stay at OU or bolt for another program at this, the first sign of adversity. I do believe, however, that the potential rewards for remaining firm on her commitment should weigh heavily in any decision she ultimately makes.
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6 pitchers now with 3 coming in this Fall and 2 Fall 2020
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She may very well stay, but I don't know why this statement would have to apply if she leaves.  Couldn't it just be that she's concerned her coach will always jump on the next upgrade/transfer, regardless of how strong, good, or mature she is?  It may be a difference in opinion as to her abilities, or it may be that with upperclass pitchers falling all over themselves every year to play for OU, she will never get her shot, or she'll lose 2-3 years waiting around.


I guess hope springs eternal for Vestal watchers at other schools.

No coach at any top-echelon program (or a program that wants to be in the top tier) is going to guarantee anyone a role as a starter or major contributor. It's always a meritocracy. 

Sure, Vestal could worry about someone transferring in next off-season, or that one of the incoming freshmen for 2020 could get ahead of her on the depth chart and decide to transfer out. But I doubt Mike White or Heather Tarr or anyone else is going to tell her to come to their program and guarantee she'll be No. 1 or 2 in the circle. 

In the end, I think Brooke Vestal believes (as does the OU coaching staff) that she's a top talent. But we're still talking about the jump from travel ball/HS to Division I -- to the top end of Division I. 

I commend her for making a decision that's right for her as an athlete and a new college student. I hope it works out for her in Norman, and my opinion is it will. 
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Some kids run away from the reality that an elite program is always trying to improve its talent. Others embrace that culture.
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Some kids run away from the reality that an elite program is always trying to improve its talent. Others embrace that culture.


So, is Vestal a runner or an embracer? What say you, Lefty?
3leftturns

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I don't know. Only one kid I can comment on with certitude. LOL
RahOKU

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I don't know. Only one kid I can comment on with certitude. LOL


Well played.
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Well played.


Yep. Though I'd say she's a young lady now ā€“ no longer a kid.
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They are always our 'kid'

No, RahOKU?

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Some kids run away from the reality that an elite program is always trying to improve its talent. Others embrace that culture.


I look it as different players want different things from their programs. Some want to be on the field no matter what, some want the experience of playing for an elite team, some academics. And most, of course, want some combination of all of that. Look at 2 different Husky players. Kristen Cochran and Sam Manti. Cochran knew she wasn't going to play much and was given the opportunity to get assistance to find another program. To her, the academic program and being part of a nationally contending team was more important than playing a lot. For Manti, playing was more important. It's hard for me to find fault with either decision. These players get 4 years eligibility, why would they spend a good portion of them miserable? 

I have no idea what Vestal wants, but if she wants to play (and I don't know how many players ranked as highly as her do not), I would advise her to look at the parade of pitchers already at OK, and those coming in the next couple years. I'd also advise her to look at how much instruction and guidance she's getting as she rides the pine this year. There is an adjustment to elite college softball and it's hard to make if you aren't playing. 

And of course no one is going to guarantee her a #1 or #2 spot, but there are programs where it's a whole lot more likely she would get that (and the commensurate attention from the staff) than at a place with an army of pitchers. Some of those programs will contend and she could perhaps be the piece that puts them over the top. 
TyCobb

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The fact is Oklahoma is stacked, not just at the pitching position, should be a fun year for y'all.
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The fact is Oklahoma is stacked, not just at the pitching position, should be a fun year for y'all.


Any preseason poll that has the Sooners any place but #1 (basically all of them) has absolutely no credibility. And before the incredulity starts, I'm not saying the Sooners are guaranteed to win it all -- just that it will be an upset if they don't.
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Any preseason poll that has the Sooners any place but #1 (basically all of them) has absolutely no credibility. And before the incredulity starts, I'm not saying the Sooners are guaranteed to win it all -- just that it will be an upset if they don't.


Preseason polls are meaningless šŸ˜‰  But yes OK should be one of the favorites to win it all this year.  
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They are always our 'kid'

No, RahOKU?



Without a doubt!
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Any preseason poll that has the Sooners any place but #1 (basically all of them) has absolutely no credibility. And before the incredulity starts, I'm not saying the Sooners are guaranteed to win it all -- just that it will be an upset if they don't.


UCLA has a better overall team from a talent perspective. WA has a better pitching tandem, and as OK saw in last year's WCWS, pitching is supremely important. It's not going to be an upset if either one of them (or Florida) were to win the title. Most of the time the NC has a pretty healthy dose of luck as well, especially when there isn't one team that is leaps and bounds ahead of the others, which should be the case again this year.
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Which is all YOUR opinions.
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Which is all YOUR opinions.


Yep, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions, but this guy's are almost always negative on Oklahoma. It's why he can't be taken seriously in discussions about Sooner softball.
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I guess hope springs eternal for Vestal watchers at other schools.

No coach at any top-echelon program (or a program that wants to be in the top tier) is going to guarantee anyone a role as a starter or major contributor. It's always a meritocracy. 

Sure, Vestal could worry about someone transferring in next off-season, or that one of the incoming freshmen for 2020 could get ahead of her on the depth chart and decide to transfer out. But I doubt Mike White or Heather Tarr or anyone else is going to tell her to come to their program and guarantee she'll be No. 1 or 2 in the circle. 

In the end, I think Brooke Vestal believes (as does the OU coaching staff) that she's a top talent. But we're still talking about the jump from travel ball/HS to Division I -- to the top end of Division I. 

I commend her for making a decision that's right for her as an athlete and a new college student. I hope it works out for her in Norman, and my opinion is it will. 


I've got no dog in this fight one way or the other, and to some extent, the comment holds for any S-A who comes into any program only to watch transfers parade in year in, year out.  Certainly, a view of the roster situation should be an important consideration for any player who is about to commit/sign.  I assume most players at least want an opportunity to compete for playing time, or understand the lay of the land before stepping foot on campus.  When that changes 180 degrees from what a player expected, it doesn't surprise me that they consider other options.
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I've got no dog in this fight one way or the other, and to some extent, the comment holds for any S-A who comes into any program only to watch transfers parade in year in, year out.  Certainly, a view of the roster situation should be an important consideration for any player who is about to commit/sign.  I assume most players at least want an opportunity to compete for playing time, or understand the lay of the land before stepping foot on campus.  When that changes 180 degrees from what a player expected, it doesn't surprise me that they consider other options.


At least we now know Vestal is considering other options.
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And I mentioned Vestal in a comment where I stated "any S-A who comes into any program" where...?
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