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I’m not here to defend Vestal (bc the few times I saw her she wasn’t that impressive but was young), but the “got couple state titles under their belt” statement was odd. Alexis Osorio never had a state title, don’t think Rachel Garcia had one either (could be wrong there), Sydney Littlejohn never had a state title.


I'm sure there are many more without State Titles. And on the flip side, I've seen some god awful pitchers with Titles & Stats. 

Like you, I've seen her multiples times. I watched because of all the hype and thought her a good pitcher. Certainly never dominated on the days I saw her. Seems she's been MIA for quite some time though since her last Documentary Video anyway. Maybe they've had her exiled to some South Pacific Island. Getting healthy, working out.

If OU fans get half the pitcher Osorio, Littlejohn, Garcis are, they will be in good shape.

OU fans just seem to be hyping this kid up to something she may never live up to. If Vestel comes anywhere near what the 2017 #1 kid did, mission accomplished. 
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I’m not here to defend Vestal (bc the few times I saw her she wasn’t that impressive but was young), but the “got couple state titles under their belt” statement was odd. Alexis Osorio never had a state title, don’t think Rachel Garcia had one either (could be wrong there), Sydney Littlejohn never had a state title.


We need to live in the 250 United States of America to accommodate all the state titles that should be won by "decent" pitchers.  Just another example of the elitist attitudes around here.  "You can't win a state title all by yourself, you suck!"

I just watched Montana Fouts try to carry a team all by herself and it looks like they pulled her to save her from injury once she got to the final 4.  I'm sure that means she is not a decent pitcher.

Another thing on high school ball - some states have many classifications allowing for 5, 6, 7 different teams to win state titles in the same year, others have a single classification.  Probably matters as much how the state is organized than anything in determining who wins a title.  Although for a pitcher, having a few teammates who can hit and catch would help as well...
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I'm sure there are many more without State Titles. And on the flip side, I've seen some god awful pitchers with Titles & Stats. 

Like you, I've seen her multiples times. I watched because of all the hype and thought her a good pitcher. Certainly never dominated on the days I saw her. Seems she's been MIA for quite some time though since her last Documentary Video anyway. Maybe they've had her exiled to some South Pacific Island. Getting healthy, working out.

If OU fans get half the pitcher Osorio, Littlejohn, Garcis are, they will be in good shape.

OU fans just seem to be hyping this kid up to something she may never live up to. If Vestel comes anywhere near what the 2017 #1 kid did, mission accomplished. 


I've been highly critical of Vestal because of her lack of domination at the high school level. Her injury may have a lot to do with it. I think her being ranked #6 and the second best pitcher in her class has more to do with her potential and what she did in the summer of 2016. I'm sure Coach Lombardi cannot wait to get her on campus because she has a lot of tools to work with.
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Just is what it is. Miranda carried the 16U Beverly Bandits to the 16 PGF title. No state HS titles

Errors and a bad offense can kill even an utterly dominant pitcher at a public school



Can't win with a bad defense or offense for sure. From what it sounds like she's not a power pitcher, but has a lot of movement. which translates to a lot of ground balls and errors. Can't really tell since there's no available stats on max preps. 
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Can't win with a bad defense or offense for sure. From what it sounds like she's not a power pitcher, but has a lot of movement. which translates to a lot of ground balls and errors. Can't really tell since there's no available stats on max preps. 


Errors? Are we talking about the OU infield?
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All I was saying is she has been playing up 2-4 years of age in travel ball and been dominant. Again she was injured her junior senior season correct? So what’s the big deal if her high school team isn’t any good. She is 6”1 also. She is the real deal .


Height doesn't always translate to success.

Floyd was 6'3". highly recruited in 16U although was 14 at the time. had a so so career. at AZ
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Errors? Are we talking about the OU infield?


Hight school, Lefty was referring to her high school career
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Hight school, Lefty was referring to her high school career


Now I get it.
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We need to live in the 250 United States of America to accommodate all the state titles that should be won by "decent" pitchers.  Just another example of the elitist attitudes around here.  "You can't win a state title all by yourself, you suck!"

I just watched Montana Fouts try to carry a team all by herself and it looks like they pulled her to save her from injury once she got to the final 4.  I'm sure that means she is not a decent pitcher.

Another thing on high school ball - some states have many classifications allowing for 5, 6, 7 different teams to win state titles in the same year, others have a single classification.  Probably matters as much how the state is organized than anything in determining who wins a title.  Although for a pitcher, having a few teammates who can hit and catch would help as well...


Elitist attitudes?? Nobody bashing Fouts or Vestel.


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I’m not here to defend Vestal (bc the few times I saw her she wasn’t that impressive but was young), but the “got couple state titles under their belt” statement was odd. Alexis Osorio never had a state title, don’t think Rachel Garcia had one either (could be wrong there), Sydney Littlejohn never had a state title.


Rachel was in CA. no state titles are played out there, except for rankings. California is separated into several sections. But winning one of those is like winning a state title elsewhere. Garcia didn't win one from what I remember. she got hurt either in the semi or title game and the team went on to lose that game. 
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Artice about Garcis and the injury she suffered in the 12th inning of the Southern Section CIF title game.

https://www.dailynews.com/2015/06/07/highland-and-pitcher-rachel-garcia-endure-wrenching-finish-13-inning-loss-to-torrance-in-cif-final/amp/
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D22....you must be kin to AD? If so, best wishes to her, from the looks of things she had a great season.


Thanks!  I appreciate that.  I do kinda know her a bit.  Had a good season once they got the coaching thing figured out.  If your bored check this out.



 

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Thanks!  I appreciate that.  I do kinda know her a bit.  Had a good season once they got the coaching thing figured out.  If your bored check this out.



 


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Dalton is a phenomenal athlete 
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<< How is this one with the stick? >> (Scupino)


Alissa Dalton 
Year    G    AB    H   2B  HR  EBH   TB   HB   BB   SO   SB  CS   R   RBI    BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
2017  31    89   29    8    1     9     40    0    10     9     8    0   26   18   .326   .390   .449   .839
2018  57  198   70   11   3    14    90    1    13     7    12    4   34   32   .354   .393   .455   .848

Dalton started 29 games for Oklahoma as a freshman in 2017. When Wodach suffered a hand injury, they moved Alissa into the catcher spot as a fill in until Wodach could come back.
I don't think Alissa was ever comfortable with playing catcher - and she may have been frustrated that she got put into that position...  which may have contributed to her attitude problems - which eventually led to her suspension from the team.  She had always been a shortstop... but it was basically impossible for her to knock Kelsey Arnold out of that spot at Oklahoma. Kelsey was firmly entrenched as the team's SS, and had been voted a team captain before Dalton arrived as a freshman.

Alissa had shown a good ability to hit at Oklahoma. She had scored 26 runs and driven in 18 in less than half a year's worth of play.

She led Louisiana in BA, hits, doubles, total bases, and RBI as a sophomore in 2018. She was second on the team in slugging percentage, OPS, stolen bases and runs scored.  She was third on the team in OBP, HR and EBH. 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In regard to her defensive play at shortstop... I think she a good defensive SS, but clearly not the "best shortstop in the country" as the video above suggests.
Here are the defensive stats for Dalton compared to Arnold in 2018.

Player       G    PO     A    E    Fld%   TC    DP    TC+    GB*      IP   
Dalton     57    66   115   8   .958    181   11    181    497    418.2
Arnold     58    65   104   4   .977    173    8     169    382    401.0

GB* is ground ball outs by their team's pitching staff.

Dalton had 11 more assists than Arnold.  But her team's pitching staff had 115 more ground balls outs than Oklahoma's pitching staff. 
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Looks like OU will be getting a new Softball stadium!

http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklahoma-softball-ou-board-of-regents-set-to-approve-new/article_16243042-6fef-11e8-814e-6babaa12fa23.html

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Big news: OU regents to vote next week on plan to build a brand-new stadium complex:

http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklahoma-softball-ou-board-of-regents-set-to-approve-new/article_16243042-6fef-11e8-814e-6babaa12fa23.html


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Big news: OU regents to vote next week on plan to build a brand-new stadium complex:

http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklahoma-softball-ou-board-of-regents-set-to-approve-new/article_16243042-6fef-11e8-814e-6babaa12fa23.html



If there's a program in the U.S. that deserves to have a sparkling new softball stadium, it's Oklahoma. So happy for Patty and the Sooner players (some current, but mostly future) who will benefit.
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Here's a little something that indicates what Gasso thinks of Vestal……as well as Missy Lombardi.

“Brook Vestal (6’1) at times has been ranked as the number one recruit in the nation,” said Coach Gasso. “She's very, very good and a very good pitcher. She's a good athlete that can throw hard and is going to help this staff tremendously. She has the kind of stuff that hitters are going to find hard to hit, and once we get her in our program and Coach (Melyssa) Lombardi starts working with her we feel Brook’s game will really take off. Coach Lombardi is the best pitching coach in the country and she can’t wait to work with such a wonderful talent like Brook.”
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I am so happy as well we are not renovating the stadium. It will continue to sale out seating needs to be doubled or tripled. There are a lot of people who don’t even bother late in the season to get tickets because it’s awlays sold out. The regionals could hold 10k I am guessing with Texas and OSU games right up there. It’s needs to have a minimum of 5000 seats.
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http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=211718724

Regents approved plans for the new stadium. 

 

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looks like there's more seating in the outfield. I would think that would be reversed with more seating around home plate and down the lines.
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looks like there's more seating in the outfield. I would think that would be reversed with more seating around home plate and down the lines.


If I'm seeing what I think I see, the outfield seating does not cover anywhere near the entire outfield. There appears to be no seats in a huge chunk of center field. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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If I'm seeing what I think I see, the outfield seating does not cover anywhere near the entire outfield. There appears to be no seats in a huge chunk of center field. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


True, they don't cover the whole outfield. but looks like there are several more rows of seats compared to the infield area.This is a rendering for the stadium, so what's seen is probably not totally accurate. 

What I do like is the brick that's similar to the existing. 

Scrybe. your closer to OU than I am. do you know where this will be built compared to where the existing is built. When I was there. I thought there was a lot space on the other side of the outfield fence to expand
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True, they don't cover the whole outfield. but looks like there are several more rows of seats compared to the infield area.This is a rendering for the stadium, so what's seen is probably not totally accurate. 

What I do like is the brick that's similar to the existing. 

Scrybe. your closer to OU than I am. do you know where this will be built compared to where the existing is built. When I was there. I thought there was a lot space on the other side of the outfield fence to expand


lov, I don't live in the Norman or OKC area, so I'm not super familiar with the layout of the entire OU campus. But if you've ever been there, you've probably seen the Lloyd Noble Center, OU's basketball arena. The new softball stadium will be adjacent to the LNC and will share part of the same parking lot. I don't recall which direction the stadium will be from the LNC, but I'm sure there are several knowledgeable Sooner fans that can better explain it.
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True, they don't cover the whole outfield. but looks like there are several more rows of seats compared to the infield area.This is a rendering for the stadium, so what's seen is probably not totally accurate. 

What I do like is the brick that's similar to the existing. 

Scrybe. your closer to OU than I am. do you know where this will be built compared to where the existing is built. When I was there. I thought there was a lot space on the other side of the outfield fence to expand


It's a different location entirely from the existing softball complex. It's further south, closer to Lloyd Noble Center and ample parking.

It's just north of LNC, just east of the existing gymnastics complex. The baseball stadium is about 5 minutes further to the west of that.

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It's a different location entirely from the existing softball complex. It's further south, closer to Lloyd Noble Center and ample parking.


Thanks for that, Rah.
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Thanks for that, Rah.



Same here.
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More on the new OU softball stadium here:

http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=750353&SPID=127251&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=211718724&KEY=

One of the renderings:

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