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scrybe

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I'm not interested in just placing athletes at the Catcher position. We were able to get away with having that hole in the line up and win a couple titles strictly through superior talent at other positions and a little luck, that luck ran out last season.


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You would not believe the uproar by OU fans on this board a couple of years ago when I suggested that there was a "little luck" involved in the first championship won by next year's senior class.  How dare you suggest such a thing?

Check "Oklahoma 2017" around post #66 etc. if you doubt.

Oh I believe you. I get into it with the Sooner faithful every now and then on oufans.com about this very subject.
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With two games left in the season, Ricketts' numbers haven't changed.  But, Lauren is now up to 12 home runs and leads the league.  I think she is hitting 370 and slugging 932 which would be #5 and #1 in the league if she had enough at bats to qualify.  In fact, she would be 170 points higher than the player who is the official leader in slugging.  Despite only having 73 at bats, whereas the other leaders tend to have about 105 at bats, Lauren is #1 in home runs with 12 and #3 in RBIs with 29 (three-way tie at 29, leader at 31).

The only two games left are Pride at Chicago which gives Lauren a chance to take over the lead in RBIs if she gets two in two games.  Of course, Carosone has 11, and she plays for Chicago.  So, she could tie Lauren.

Given the state of international play, I think the USA softball team would be stupid if they did not take Chamberlain and Alo.  In the championship games with Japan, about the only way that anyone scored was home runs.  Right now, the best home run hitters in the US are Chamberlain and Alo.  If Lauren is 170 points better at slugging than the rest of the pro league, she must be finally healthy.  Alo is, like Lauren, a phenomenon.  Other freshmen had good years and were good.  Alo was off the charts, and she hit them in the CWS.
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I'm not interested in just placing athletes at the Catcher position. We were able to get away with having that hole in the line up and win a couple titles strictly through superior talent at other positions and a little luck, that luck ran out last season.


Anyone who would describe Lea Wodach as being just"a hole in the lineup" obviously has very little understanding of why OU won two national titles with Lea behind the plate.
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<< With two games left in the season, Ricketts' numbers haven't changed.  But, Lauren is now up to 12 home runs and leads the league.  I think she is hitting 370 and slugging 932 which would be #5 and #1 in the league if she had enough at bats to qualify.  In fact, she would be 170 points higher than the player who is the official leader in slugging.  Despite only having 73 at bats, whereas the other leaders tend to have about 105 at bats, Lauren is #1 in home runs with 12 and #3 in RBIs with 29 (three-way tie at 29, leader at 31).
The only two games left are Pride at Chicago which gives Lauren a chance to take over the lead in RBIs if she gets two in two games.  Of course, Carosone has 11, and she plays for Chicago.  So, she could tie Lauren. >> (LandLottery)

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Emily Carosone did hit her 12th HR and is tied with LC for the NPF lead at 12.
But Chamberlain has a big lead in AB/HR  and G/HR.

These are the top six players in HR:

Player                          AB     HR     AB/HR     G    G/HR
Lauren Chamberlain      73     12      6.08      27    2.25
Emily Carosone             93     12      7.75      38    3.17
Kristyn Sandberg         108     10    10.80      41    4.10
Sierra Romero               91      7     13.00      31    4.29
Megan Wiggins            135     10    13.50      41    4.10
Shelby Pendley            121      8     15.13      42    5.25


LC also has a big lead in AB/RBI  and G/RBI.
These are the players with at least 25 RBI:

Player                        AB    RBI    AB/RBI      G    G/RBI
Lauren Chamberlain    73     29      2.52       27     0.93
Emily Carosone           93     31      3.00       38     1.23
Courtney Gano           82     25      3.28       29      1.16
Kristyn Sandberg      108     31      3.48       41      1.32
Chelsea Goodacre     104     29      3.59       35      1.21
Sierra Romero            91     25      3.64       31      1.24
Shelby Pendley         121     28      4.32       42      1.50
Megan Wiggins         135     30      4.50       41      1.37


LC also has a big lead in slugging percentage and OPS.
These are the top players in SLG and in OPS:

Player                BA    OBP    SLG      OPS
Chamberlain     .370   .429   .932   1.361
Romero            .407   .481   .780    1.261
Carosone          .333   .426   .774    1.200
Sandberg          .343   .405   .741    1.146
HenryLouisAaron

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<< Given the state of international play, I think the USA softball team would be stupid if they did not take Chamberlain and Alo.  In the championship games with Japan, about the only way that anyone scored was home runs.  Right now, the best home run hitters in the US are Chamberlain and Alo.  If Lauren is 170 points better at slugging than the rest of the pro league, she must be finally healthy.  Alo is, like Lauren, a phenomenon.  Other freshmen had good years and were good.  Alo was off the charts, and she hit them in the CWS. >> (LandLottery)


I am right there with ya, LL.

When healthy, Chamberlain has been one of my very favorite people to watch in all of sports. 
Watching her hit... is something special.

The same thing goes for this young, new upstart Alo.  She is something special.
HenryLouisAaron

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<< OU has the best team in 2012 when they lost to Alabama in championship. So there has also been bad luck on OU side. >> (Chester45)


Yes... the Oklahoma team was very unlucky (and Alabama was very LUCKY) that it rained when it did in that 2012 game.
If the rain had come 90 minutes later than it did... Oklahoma almost surely would have FIVE titles.

I would also list the ending of their 2015 season as some bad luck.
If Paige Parker hadn't throw that ONE pitch exactly into the swing path of Marisa Runyon's bat... 
Oklahoma would have a current streak of 7 straight trips to the WCWS (instead of 6 out of 7).
Runyon had been slumping badly (like 0 for her last 14 or so) when she hit that grand slam to beat Oklahoma.
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And after that hit Runyan went back into the slump.
Oger

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Anyone who would describe Lea Wodach as being just"a hole in the lineup" obviously has very little understanding of why OU won two national titles with Lea behind the plate.

Anybody who watched OU play knew she was an automatic out. That's just a fact.
LandLottery

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Wodach was definitely not an automatic out.  That is a perception based on her junior year when she had her first full year of catching as a result to Montgomery's retirement. 

https://stats.ncaa.org/player/index?game_sport_year_ctl_id=13430&stats_player_seq=1646632

Wodach's BA:
Freshman:  297
Sophomore:  315
Junior:  159
Senior:  258

She was killing the ball as a sophomore early in the year prior to Whitney's retirement.  She was 33 of 68 with 7 doubles and six home runs in her first 24 games.  Then, she was only 24 of 113 the rest of the year with 4 doubles and one home run.  The difference:  being a left fielder and a catcher.
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<< Anyone who would describe Lea Wodach as being just "a hole in the lineup" obviously has very little understanding of why OU won two national titles with Lea behind the plate. >> (Scrybe)

<< Anybody who watched OU play knew she was an automatic out. That's just a fact. >> (Oger)


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I think maybe... you aren't clear as to what a "FACT" is.
Actually... Lea Wodach was a reasonably good hitter in her first two seasons with Oklahoma (2015 & 2016) before she suffered a hand injury in her junior season.

Year     G   GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG   OPS
2015   45   25    74   22    3    0    5     8      6     5   17   22   .297   .341   .541   .882
2016   65   65  181   57   11   2    7    20    23   14   32   32   .315   .388   .514   .902

Lea hit pretty well as a freshman... and she improved as a sophomore. 20 EBH, 32 RBI and a .902 OPS is FAR from a sure out. She was a solid hitter.

Her combined totals through her first two seasons were:
  G    GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
110   90   255   79   14   2  12    28    29  19   49   54    .310   .375   .522   .897

So she was a .310 hitter with a .522 SLG% and basically a .900 OPS...  BEFORE she had her hand injury.

Your hands are VERY important in hitting. After that hand injury... Lea's hitting suffered greatly.
These are her 2017 batting stats:

Year     G   GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG   OPS
2017   60   50   113   18    4    0    0     4      8  21     7    9    .159   .215   .195   .410

She really struggled with the bat in 2017.

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Lea made a huge improvement in her batting in 2018 compared to her 2017 numbers - but she was still well off her 2015-16 level.

Year     G   GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG   OPS
2018   60   59   124   32    8    0    2    10    24  15   18  20    .258   .378   .371   .749

She never fully recovered after the hand injury in early 2017. But the only year that Wodach can be legitimately considered a "hole in the lineup"... 
was in 2017 (her junior year). 

Even in that very poor batting year of 2017, Lea was never an "automatic out". She had a .159 BA... not a .000 BA. 

Those... are facts.
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<< Anyone who would describe Lea Wodach as being just "a hole in the lineup" obviously has very little understanding of why OU won two national titles with Lea behind the plate. >> (Scrybe)

<< Anybody who watched OU play knew she was an automatic out. That's just a fact. >> (Oger)


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I think maybe... you aren't clear as to what a "FACT" is.
Actually... Lea Wodach was a reasonably good hitter in her first two seasons with Oklahoma (2015 & 2016) before she suffered a hand injury in her junior season.

Year     G   GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG   OPS
2015   45   25    74   22    3    0    5     8      6     5   17   22   .297   .341   .541   .882
2016   65   65  181   57   11   2    7    20    23   14   32   32   .315   .388   .514   .902

Lea hit pretty well as a freshman... and she improved as a sophomore. 20 EBH, 32 RBI and a .902 OPS is FAR from a sure out. She was a solid hitter.

Her combined totals through her first two seasons were:
  G    GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
110   90   255   79   14   2  12    28    29  19   49   54    .310   .375   .522   .897

So she was a .310 hitter with a .522 SLG% and basically a .900 OPS...  BEFORE she had her hand injury.

Your hands are VERY important in hitting. After that hand injury... Lea's hitting suffered greatly.
These are her 2017 batting stats:

Year     G   GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG   OPS
2017   60   50   113   18    4    0    0     4      8  21     7    9    .159   .215   .195   .410

She really struggled with the bat in 2017.

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Lea made a huge improvement in her batting in 2018 compared to her 2017 numbers - but she was still well off her 2015-16 level.

Year     G   GS    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO    R  RBI     BA    OBP    SLG   OPS
2018   60   59   124   32    8    0    2    10    24  15   18  20    .258   .378   .371   .749

She never fully recovered after the hand injury in early 2017. But the only year that Wodach can be legitimately considered a "hole in the lineup"... 
was in 2017 (her junior year). 

Even in that very poor batting year of 2017, Lea was never an "automatic out". She had a .159 BA... not a .000 BA. 

Those... are facts.

Thanks for providing the facts that back up my statement. She was a hole in the line up.
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The facts provided... showed your statement was very weak sauce.
She was never an "automatic out"... 
and she was a "hole in the lineup" in just one of her four years.

When you go one for four in "facts"...  that is a very bad percentage.
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The facts provided... showed your statement was very weak sauce.
She was never an "automatic out"... 
and she was a "hole in the lineup" in just one of her four years.

When you go one for four in "facts"...  that is a very bad percentage.

Wow! Totally disagree with your assessment. She was a hole in the line up in both her Junior and Senior years. The only reason she was in the line up was because of her familiarity with the pitching staff. Her defense was average at best and her hitting was far below average.
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Her obp was only .004 less her senior year compared to her sophomore.
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Her obp was only .004 less her senior year compared to her sophomore.


But, but, but…don't you know she was just a hole in the lineup? [wink]
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But, but, but…don't you know she was just a hole in the lineup? [wink]

You can defend her all you want but the fact is she was a hole in the line up.
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You can defend her all you want but the fact is she was a hole in the line up.

Kelsey Arnold was as well.
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Call it what you want Oger, But facts are that Lea Wodach and Kelsey Arnold (2x team voted captain) were both huge leaders and made a bigger impact on the program that far out reaches any stat you can come up with. If you don’t believe that then get closer to the program and ask anyone on the inside.
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You can defend her all you want but the fact is she was a hole in the line up.


Do you know what obp stands for?
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Call it what you want Oger, But facts are that Lea Wodach and Kelsey Arnold (2x team voted captain) were both huge leaders and made a bigger impact on the program that far out reaches any stat you can come up with. If you don’t believe that then get closer to the program and ask anyone on the inside.


Yep. Fact is, the Sooners would have never made it to the WCWS in 2016 or 2017, much less won both of them, without the contributions of Wodach and Arnold. To trivialize what those two young ladies meant to the program borders on criminal.
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Expected.
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Why have I not seen anyone question the move that coach G did with the incoming catcher that has been out of the game or as the player said coming out of retirement. More just about going after kids that have played and proven themselves.  
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<< Why have I not seen anyone question the move that coach G did with the incoming catcher that has been out of the game or as the player said coming out of retirement. More just about going after kids that have played and proven themselves. >> (her1fan)


PG is a VERY well respected coach... 
so when she chooses to bring in a player - most people believe that she must have her reasons. 

Do you really believe that you know more about this decision... than PG knows..?
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<< Why have I not seen anyone question the move that coach G did with the incoming catcher that has been out of the game or as the player said coming out of retirement. More just about going after kids that have played and proven themselves. >> (her1fan)


PG is a VERY well respected coach... 
so when she chooses to bring in a player - most people believe that she must have her reasons. 

Do you really believe that you know more about this decision... than PG knows..?


I'm not certain the poster really believes that, Henry. But if this person really believes he/she knows better than Patty, he/she has delusions of grandeur that are shared by many other posters on this board.
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Call it what you want Oger, But facts are that Lea Wodach and Kelsey Arnold (2x team voted captain) were both huge leaders and made a bigger impact on the program that far out reaches any stat you can come up with. If you don’t believe that then get closer to the program and ask anyone on the inside.

I'm not questioning the intangibles that they brought to the team. Wodach was very popular, especially among the pitching staff, and Arnold was rock solid defensively. All I'm saying is that offensively they were a couple weak spots in the line up.
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Yep. Fact is, the Sooners would have never made it to the WCWS in 2016 or 2017, much less won both of them, without the contributions of Wodach and Arnold. To trivialize what those two young ladies meant to the program borders on criminal.

I'll agree with you as far as Arnold and her defense is concerned. Wodach? Not so much.
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Why have I not seen anyone question the move that coach G did with the incoming catcher that has been out of the game or as the player said coming out of retirement. More just about going after kids that have played and proven themselves.  

I wouldn't trade PG for anyone else but even she has her issues and for the last few years that Catcher position has been a weakness. The good news is that Patty has pretty much rectified that after the 2019 season with several Blue Chip commits.
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