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keepinitreal

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been his theory for a very long time.  A year or two ago, he would post his theoretical discussions, then ask several of us if we agreed.  if we didn't quickly enough, or at all even (because it gets old answering the same thing over and over), then we obviously agreed.

welcome to it.




Which resulted in this thread

http://robocoach.websitetoolbox.com/post/why-i-cant-answer-6761025?pid=1294973246

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that one was a head scratcher
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Says the member who looked the other way when it was "Curious George". 

Needless to say the double-standard by the Right is incredible. 

Needless to say but man you sure say it a lot.
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Excerpt from a Weekly Standard article.  I know the trumpies will bash Weekly Standard, but here it is anyways.

It's not a good idea, but it's not a crisis either, when the sitting president of the United States invents claims of massive voter fraud or misstates crime rates or does many of the other things Donald Trump has done. It is an institutional and perhaps constitutional crisis when the president of the United States accuses his predecessor of illegally wiretapping him as a candidate--a wiretapping presumably carried out by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, still headed by the director accused by the president of wiretapping him.

In response to a post a few back from KIR - this is why I don't think trump should've been tweeting based upon thinly source news articles.  If there is something there, he should've found out for sure, then released it formally.

Tweeting out something this serious on one of his 5am tweet binges was a first order mistake.

The above articulates what I couldn't, which is this a pivotal moment for trump.  Either it's true, and it's really big, or it's not, and he's done.

The question, though, is will trumpies to continue to defend him if it turns out to be false?

In case you're interested, here's another good article:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/trumps-wiretap-claims-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont/article/2007096
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Excerpt from a Weekly Standard article.  I know the trumpies will bash Weekly Standard, but here it is anyways.

It's not a good idea, but it's not a crisis either, when the sitting president of the United States invents claims of massive voter fraud or misstates crime rates or does many of the other things Donald Trump has done. It is an institutional and perhaps constitutional crisis when the president of the United States accuses his predecessor of illegally wiretapping him as a candidate--a wiretapping presumably carried out by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, still headed by the director accused by the president of wiretapping him.

In response to a post a few back from KIR - this is why I don't think trump should've been tweeting based upon thinly source news articles.  If there is something there, he should've found out for sure, then released it formally.

Tweeting out something this serious on one of his 5am tweet binges was a first order mistake.

The above articulates what I couldn't, which is this a pivotal moment for trump.  Either it's true, and it's really big, or it's not, and he's done.

The question, though, is will trumpies to continue to defend him if it turns out to be false?

In case you're interested, here's another good article:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/trumps-wiretap-claims-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont/article/2007096


Mike, I smell what you're cooking, and agree, that in 'normal' times, anyone-other-than-trump would be done if he can't make it stick. But these aren't 'normal' times, and I doubt 'normal' times will ever return. Our country is in crisis, and the people decided they are done with 'normal'. If FISA warrants were made, the rest of the fallout will be a toxic mess of unprovable accusations I suspect. As far as the 5am tweet, welcome to the future. Trump goes 24/7.

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mikec

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If the Obama Admin was spying on trump, they should be held to account.  I would not at all be surprised that they were looking into Manafort, given his lobbying client lists.

If trump made this up, we've all been fat-japped in exponentials.

Either way, these couple of tweets have the potential to go nuclear.  IMHO, twitter is not the way to run the federal gov't.
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Very simple path forward.

Who requested the FISA warrants? Specifically, who requested the DOJ to ask for a warrant, what is that person's name? Who in the DOJ signed off and authorized the request for a warrant? What is their name?
Which agencies were authorized to gather the information?
What are the agency names, and who specifically in each agency was in charge of gathering the data?
What information was gathered?
Who specifically had access to the rough intelligence data? I don't mean who had access to a final report based off of the raw data collected.
What agency, and who involved in each agency specifically leaked classified information to the press?

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Mike said........
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IMHO, twitter is not the way to run the federal gov't.


It's the only way............

The press is far too corrupt to have a legitimate role...........
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Mike said........


It's the only way............

The press is far too corrupt to have a legitimate role...........

blue has got you there.  The twitter thing is likely here to stay.  Just another new form of communication.  
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As bad as the Twitter crap can be, the President doesn't have to rely on a corrupt MSM to twist then disseminate his information to citizens. The gate keepers, the elitists insider press was neutered by a stupid app designed for teen aged girls. Technology is great I guess. We'll see.
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you guys may be right about twitter, but using it to level espionage charges against the former POTUS is indefensible.  that is reckless.
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Agreed, not the best route for a serious charge. Then again, he could have just fed it to a left leaning MSM to use against him.
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Great question at the pressed today for spicer:

If President Trump has proof that President Obama's admin is behind the surveillance requests, why is he calling for an investigation? Why not just turn his proof over to the FBI?
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It is up to Congress to investigate, not a sitting president. It's in their job description. They like to have special committees and appoint their fellow demigods to run inquisitions.
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I think we are all aware of that, but if he has the information, he should turn it over if he wants congress to find out about it.  It's like the annoying people on the softball board that say "I know something that happened, but don't want to say..."
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Durden said.........
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Why not just turn his proof over to the FBI?



The corruptness of the FBI is a big part of the problem..........

Turning info over to them is like giving an axe to an axe murderer!

Durden, your cluelessness seems to know no boundaries..........Maybe we need to build a fence around you and Hillary...........
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duh da duh he should release his info.   hahahahaha.   Losers.  

6 months muh rooskies hackers hacked muh election and therefore drumpf collobalated with da rooskies.  not a single shred of factual evidence.  "we must let the investigations play out, they are not complete yet"

the reason you let congress investigate is that congress has the power to put people under oath.  you ask person A questions, they often implicate b.  you then call b in and ask them.  you have to have people testify on the record.   only moron dems would come up with the 'duh release his info' stupidity.  only butthurts nevertrumpers would even consider jumping in that bed with them.


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Never-Trumpers are traitors............Plain and simple........
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duh da duh he should release his info.   hahahahaha.   Losers.  

6 months muh rooskies hackers hacked muh election and therefore drumpf collobalated with da rooskies.  not a single shred of factual evidence.  "we must let the investigations play out, they are not complete yet"

the reason you let congress investigate is that congress has the power to put people under oath.  you ask person A questions, they often implicate b.  you then call b in and ask them.  you have to have people testify on the record.   only moron dems would come up with the 'duh release his info' stupidity.  only butthurts nevertrumpers would even consider jumping in that bed with them.




Again with the name calling - the tool of a weak mind, you and ballz are melding into one.

Maybe there are just people that think if he has proof the Obama administration is behind it, he should bring it forward.  Why waste the time and money?  Maybe he doesn't have the proof and he is chumming you?
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Again with the name calling - the tool of a weak mind, you and ballz are melding into one.

Maybe there are just people that think if he has proof the Obama administration is behind it, he should bring it forward.  Why waste the time and money?  Maybe he doesn't have the proof and he is chumming you?

might be a chumming in return for the rooskie chumming he has been getting.  

But he might have evidence.  If he has evidence best way to go about it is to get congress to investigate.  You have to get testimony from people under oath.  Otherwise no case can be built.  But you already know that. 
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There's no more "under oath", anymore............Lying is accepted...........


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Well the FBI didn't bother putting Hillary under oath. She was "interviewed" with her legal staff sitting in.
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Everybody is lying on all levels............

Why give someone an oath when you know they're gonna lie and they won't be held responsible for lying?............It's, actually, hypocritical to give someone an oath, anymore......... 
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Everybody is lying on all levels............

Why give someone an oath when you know they're gonna lie and they won't be held responsible for lying?............It's, actually, hypocritical to give someone an oath, anymore......... 


Dewy needs to answer that one. We all know they lie

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I had the news on the TV with the volume muted. I looked at the screen and Paul Ryan was giving a power point presentation on the HC proposal. His lips were moving so I can only assume he was lying.
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He was.......
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Rooskies hacked my election narrative has fully disappeared. 
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Rooskies hacked my election narrative has fully disappeared. 


Yes indeed. WTF happened to it? The msm went full throttle for days on it, got no traction, and just let it disappear? Do they have any idea how that type of approach undermines any remaining credibility they may have with the vast majority of Americans? They were printing stories of dem lunatic pols calling for IMPEACHMENT. Now, all gone. 

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Yes indeed. WTF happened to it? The msm went full throttle for days on it, got no traction, and just let it disappear? Do they have any idea how that type of approach undermines any remaining credibility they may have with the vast majority of Americans? They were printing stories of dem lunatic pols calling for IMPEACHMENT. Now, all gone. 

It is strange.  It is happening a lot.  

It is all sideways from the get go.  Dems want to throw out the "boogety boogety boogety boo russian be hackin our elections"  then they try to somehow attach anything that is investigating normal hacking activities to Trump.

But then for some reason.  When Trump rolls out the "obummer hacked me" he actually said he 'wiretapped him'.  I think that wiretapping was on purpose to tie obummer to nixon and watergate.  

But when Trump hits them with that, then they abandon in place their muy rooskies muh hacked elections.   Dems have always been nutty narrative goofballs.  But I have never seen anyone get them to oscillate narrative to narrative so much.  It makes them look really fuc7ing dizzy. 
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