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TheNarrator

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Rand Paul: "Everybody admits that somebody spied on Mike Flynn, and he was part of the Trump campaign," Paul said. "It sounds like what the president said has already been proven to be true."


Not necessarily the case.  They could have been tracking who he was talking to.

Releasing his name and the contents of the call, that is a crime.  No evidence yet they were spying on Flynn.
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so is James Comey, the one-time hero of trump world, now the villain?

so wiretapping, and ongoing investigation into people associated with trump and Russia.  This latter is much different than trump campaign colluding with Russia, but nuances are lost in trump world.

when will trump and his minions admit that he was wrong on the wiretapping, and he shouldn't have said it?

oh yeah - never.
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Not necessarily the case.  They could have been tracking who he was talking to.

Releasing his name and the contents of the call, that is a crime.  No evidence yet they were spying on Flynn.

I will go with Rand on this one.  Provides enough evidence that the general intelligence gathered over the years, was accumulated and purposely organized in a way to target Trump and Trump associates.  The Russian Trump piss story is the perfect example of how a number of IC's are targeting opposition using their entrusted powers.  Yes the leaks are where it exactly surfaces as a direct crime and they should be charged.  

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I will go with Rand on this one.  Provides enough evidence that the general intelligence gathered over the years, was accumulated and purposely organized in a way to target Trump and Trump associates.  The Russian Trump piss story is the perfect example of how a number of IC's are targeting opposition using their entrusted powers.  Yes the leaks are where it exactly surfaces as a direct crime and they should be charged.  


so did trump lie, and waste untold IC and Congressional investigation hours, about Obama wiretapping him?  did he make a false claim of treason against an ex-POTUS?
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I will go with Rand on this one.  Provides enough evidence that the general intelligence gathered over the years, was accumulated and purposely organized in a way to target Trump and Trump associates.  The Russian Trump piss story is the perfect example of how a number of IC's are targeting opposition using their entrusted powers.  Yes the leaks are where it exactly surfaces as a direct crime and they should be charged.  


Maybe he is privy to information we are not.  If it is just the Flynn call you are talking about, I don't think the information released to the public necessarily means Flynn was spied on.  Not saying he wasn't, but the phone call alone does not prove that.  The information from the call could have come from who is on the other end.
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Judge Nap pulled from the airways over British Intel doing Obama's dirty work story.  The same story some folks quoted.  Maybe it's the 4chan guys just trolling people again.

BTW - POTUS and his spokesperson both quoted this story as evidence of their claims.  Wouldn't the POTUS have access to better info than a FOX News pundit does?
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I ask the following.

Who requested the two FISA warrants? I assume this was requested by the DOJ. Who within the DOJ ordered a request for the warrants? What is their name, names?
Who carried out the surveillance? What agency, and the names of the people that gathered the information.
Who had access to the raw data? What are their names?
Who leaked classified intelligence information to the press? What are their names?

I'm more worried about the FISA court and the DOJ being used as political weapons than anything else. Our 4th amendment rights as private citizens are being openly violated by the Federal Government, and all anyone wants to talk about is Russians.

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Maybe he is privy to information we are not.  If it is just the Flynn call you are talking about, I don't think the information released to the public necessarily means Flynn was spied on.  Not saying he wasn't, but the phone call alone does not prove that.  The information from the call could have come from who is on the other end.

Not talking about the call in isolation.  Look at the intentional leak of the Russian Piss story.  They really thought they had ole drumpf with that one.  Then the Flynn story.  

Then the NYT, stating that wiretaps on manafort and others were part of a counterintligence effort that at least the NYT knew about: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?smid=pl-share

Then the stories widely reporting that Obama ordered that Trump intelligence be gathered and spread out throughout the IC to make sure that it can be leaked as needed.  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/verge-treason-us-spies-withhold-intelligence-trump

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Judge Nap pulled from the airways over British Intel doing Obama's dirty work story.  The same story some folks quoted.  Maybe it's the 4chan guys just trolling people again.

BTW - POTUS and his spokesperson both quoted this story as evidence of their claims.  Wouldn't the POTUS have access to better info than a FOX News pundit does?

Napaltano is sticking to his story.  Says there are 3 reputable sources. 

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I ask the following.

Who requested the two FISA warrants? I assume this was requested by the DOJ. Who within the DOJ ordered a request for the warrants? What is their name, names?
Who carried out the surveillance? What agency, and the names of the people that gathered the information.
Who had access to the raw data? What are their names?
Who leaked classified intelligence information to the press? What are their names?

I'm more worried about the FISA court and the DOJ being used as political weapons than anything else. Our 4th amendment rights as private citizens are being openly violated by the Federal Government, and all anyone wants to talk about is Russians.


This is the point individual thinking people are trying to make.  IF this occurred, the DOJ would have this information.  If they have it, they are not releasing it.
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Not talking about the call in isolation.  Look at the intentional leak of the Russian Piss story.  They really thought they had ole drumpf with that one.  Then the Flynn story.  

Then the NYT, stating that wiretaps on manafort and others were part of a counterintligence effort that at least the NYT knew about: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?smid=pl-share

Then the stories widely reporting that Obama ordered that Trump intelligence be gathered and spread out throughout the IC to make sure that it can be leaked as needed.  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/verge-treason-us-spies-withhold-intelligence-trump


When you invoke the piss story, you really are coming across as tin-foil hat.

If the info is there, if a FISA request was filed and fulfilled, it will come out.  Until then, all bluster.
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"Not talking about the call [the piss story, the leak of Flynn's name] in isolation."

Team McCain invoked the piss story


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Napaltano is sticking to his story.  Says there are 3 reputable sources. 


Wouldn't the POTUS have access to better info than a FOX News pundit does?
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Wouldn't the POTUS have access to better info than a FOX News pundit does?

Yep, has house committee investigating who leaked docs now.  Now that rooskies hacked muh election has delivered that big nothingburger the house can investigate the next thing.  

Leakage is more important, so being looked at first. 

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Wouldn't the POTUS have access to better info than a FOX News pundit does?


That's why he tweeted what he tweeted

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Rep Devin Nunes:Trump transition members were under surveillance during Obama administration
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-trump-surveillance-obama-236366

Why are nevertrumpers so anxious to jump on dems clearly manufactured narratives.  Makes em all look like they are on team McCain. 


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That's why he tweeted what he tweeted


If he does, all he has to do is turn it over to the house committee.  I believe the republican chair of that committee was on Fox News Sunday and said he had not received any information.

Contrary to the opinion of captain of #teamcirclejerk, if he has the info I want him to turn it over and for them to investigate it.  If he doesn't have any proof, it was a pretty awful move to tweet that.
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If he does, all he has to do is turn it over to the house committee.  I believe the republican chair of that committee was on Fox News Sunday and said he had not received any information.

Contrary to the opinion of captain of #teamcirclejerk, if he has the info I want him to turn it over and for them to investigate it.  If he doesn't have any proof, it was a pretty awful move to tweet that.

haha, I knew when you were constantly falling for bluedogs with zero resistance you were easy.

Republican chair also stated they were investigating.  That likely the was likely gathering of info.  That might have happened legally.  So now they are heavily investigating the illegal leaking.  

That leaking happened at 2 levels.  First to the public, for example in the Flynn case.  

Second to a large number of internal CIA/FBI/NSA departments.  Of course there will be no public mention of any evidence of this latter type of leaks as the handling, passing and control of those information flows is top secret.  This second can still definitely be illegal.  Even if not illegal, it can be inappropriate handling of information at a job where, that is the job. 

Follow along.  Trying to keep you from chasing another WMD rabbit down a hole. 


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Nunes says tapping was not because of Russian investigation. 

AP reports that Trump is vindicated.

That monitoring happened during transition period.  What could have IC and Obama been looking for during that time?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/844601141908455425

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haha, I knew when you were constantly falling for bluedogs with zero resistance you were easy.

Republican chair also stated they were investigating.  That likely the was likely gathering of info.  That might have happened legally.  So now they are heavily investigating the illegal leaking.  

That leaking happened at 2 levels.  First to the public, for example in the Flynn case.  

Second to a large number of internal CIA/FBI/NSA departments.  Of course there will be no public mention of any evidence of this latter type of leaks as the handling, passing and control of those information flows is top secret.  This second can still definitely be illegal.  Even if not illegal, it can be inappropriate handling of information at a job where, that is the job. 

Follow along.  Trying to keep you from chasing another WMD rabbit down a hole. 



Lol - you mad bro?

Maybe the rest of the week will get better for you.
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Lol - you mad bro? Maybe the rest of the week will get better for you.

My week is going strong already.  Thanks for asking.  you?

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Trump is vindicated, gotta record that idiot Don Lemon tonight. Monday he was pulling the cart before the ox.
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Every time Trump says something that people think is idiotic, it turns out not to be so idiotic.  Same couldn't be said for Barack "57 States" Obama.
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Here is another very sad example of the same: 

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Every time Trump says something that people think is idiotic, it turns out not to be so idiotic.  Same couldn't be said for Barack "57 States" Obama.


Ain't that the truth? Trumpadaumas

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Nunes says No surveillance. Well maybe, but there was no evidence of collusion. Now this crap. There was surveillance and someone leaked the names of Trump advisors and information to the press.

Let's sum it up.

Someone in the Obama administrations DOJ got a warrant and monitored an opposition candidate's campaign staffs communications. Somehow the names of those advisors and possibly the contents of that surveillance were leaked to the press.

Where do we go from here? We have agency heads telling congress that nothing occurred

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Someone in the Obama administrations DOJ got a warrant and monitored an opposition candidate's campaign staffs communications.  After the election

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And, to think, I've been trying to tell you people for a long time how polluted and corrupt our FBI and CIA are.........

Every bit as polluted and corrupt as our Congress..........

Finally getting it?
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Nunes says No surveillance. Well maybe, but there was no evidence of collusion. Now this crap. There was surveillance and someone leaked the names of Trump advisors and information to the press. Let's sum it up. Someone in the Obama administrations DOJ got a warrant and monitored an opposition candidate's campaign staffs communications. Somehow the names of those advisors and possibly the contents of that surveillance were leaked to the press. Where do we go from here? We have agency heads telling congress that nothing occurred


This is why Dewey disappeared again.
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And, to think, I've been trying to tell you people for a long time how polluted and corrupt our FBI and CIA are.........

Every bit as polluted and corrupt as our Congress..........

Finally getting it?

It has been bluestradamus the entire time. 

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