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sbmom1812

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Dietcoke if you dont see that IPAB can deny services  and thats the final answer you are just being blind.  They are worse than any insurance cutting services, because you still will have options.  When IPAB makes it law you will no longer have options unless you are the uber wealthy and can pay out of your pocket. Wake up.
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To those that are touting the supposed savings from Obamacare I just got a notice from my insurer, Anthem Blue Cross.
"As of Feb 1 your monthly premium is changing. The new monthly premium is $XXX.00, an increase of 24.8%.
That's right. 24.8 freakin %
Thank you government for "taking care of me"
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Anthem Blue Cross is who I use to insure the one and only employee currently on my Company's plan.  Her coverage, including spouse, went up 4% in September.  Their out of pocket maximum went up too.
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Ours didn't go up at all in September.
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Anthem Blue Cross is who I use to insure the one and only employee currently on my Company's plan.  Her coverage, including spouse, went up 4% in September.  Their out of pocket maximum went up too.


Just out of curiosity, as a fellow employer, how much did their deductible go up? I know when I am adjusting policies, there is always a trade off between the cost increase, and the deductible amount. So, what was the out of pocket increase that resulted in only a 4% premium increase?

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woody - I think the deductible and co-pay went up 20% for each to $1200 and $1200, or $2400 out of pocket.  Their premium is quite high compared to most workers receiving employer health benefits and may not be representative overall.  Still, these anecdotal examples varying from one individual to another, coupled with the fact exchanges have not been implemented, make for shallow and incomplete cases for blaming the President for all the ills of our health insurance premium problems, imo.
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Anthem Blue Cross Seeks To Raise Individual Policyholders' Rates

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Oops, looks like there will be an additional $63 fee added to every policy.

Didn't Obama say this health plan would lower premiums by $2500? He must have learned math in Detroit, if at all.

I have yet to hear of anyone that had their premiums lowered. What a tool! Totally in the pocket of the health care industry. Thanks for the Health Care Windfall Profits Act!

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/10/obamacare-fee-of-63-per-person-to-begin-in-2014/

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16 Senators who voted for ACA are asking that the 2.3% medical device tax be removed because the levy will cut jobs and impair American companies competitiveness in sales.

Maybe they didn't have time to read the bill before they voted it?

Bunch of whiny Republicans you say? Nope. All 16 are Democrats, and did I mention they all voted for the tax as part of the Act?

What might be real interesting is to learn how many of the 16 take money from medical device manufacturers. Anyone venture a guess?

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Fib its that as well as people back home are gonna be hit with increases in premiums, healthcare costs, and if they work for these companies, some will be laid off. So people will be hit from all angles and not be happy.  So dems will lose some money as well as constituency.  Not a good scenario.  
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More spreading the wealth and loss of freedoms the libs and Obama want to do.

http://www.bit.ly/UbvTRs



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Aetna CEO talks about premium increases with Obamacare.

http://www.drudge.tw/12aIZnR


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medical device makers letting the truth be known about obamacares impact.

http://www.fxn.ws/12aPaby



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Obamacare saved this couple's daugher's life.

Study says Obamacare saved consumers $1.5 Billion.
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FWIW - a few examples of easing health insurance costs -

http://www.wbjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121128/NEWS01/121129957/1007/NEWS

http://mibiz.com/item/20186-insurance-premiums-rising-at-slower-rate-for-2013

http://fallriverbenefits.com/newsandevents/blog/2012/11/health-insurance-premiums-show-significant-decrease/

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/12/04/health-care-guide-roundup-insurance-cost.html?page=all

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Link wars! Yay! We used to play that in kindergarten.
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CoachB and sbmom - Thought I'd move the Obamacare debate over here if you want to comment on the AHCA.  I'll add this article.

One wouldn’t know from Pipes’ article that the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American College of Surgeons, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Society of Anesthesiologists, the American Osteopathic Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American College of Cardiology all endorsed last year’s health reform. These groups represent hundreds of thousands of physicians across a wide range of medical sub-specialties.

A key reason for these endorsements was the widespread recognition that our current health care system works poorly from the perspective of both physicians and patients – and the understanding that the new law was an important step in building a more effective health care system.

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Obama administration okays more health insurance marketplaces

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Dewey the majority of drs in the field do not agree with obamacare.  Most of those associations do not represent the majority.  AMAonly represents about 25%of drs nationwide.  maybe the reason why they dont belong is they dont agree with the assoc politics.  
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Susan - Both of my MD friends offer the same reason for being anti Obamacare.  They maintain that adding many thousands of eligible patients to an already overloaded system will drastically reduce the quality of care.  Personally, being the cynic that I am, I wonder if they will be making less money. Currently they live a rather lavish lifestyle.  My primary doctor is in favor of Obamacare, but then again he does charitable "pro bono" work in Africa also. Maybe we can go to the "barefoot doctor system" that China embraced, but the AMA wouldn't exactly embrace that. Same argument:  would it be because of decline in quality of care or because of loss of revenue?  Maybe even both.  
Choose your reason that supports your stance.      Frank

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decreased quality of care.
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Currently they live a rather lavish lifestyle.      Frank


There is another one of those subtle digs that you get called out for.
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Currently they live a rather lavish lifestyle.      Frank


There is another one of those subtle digs that you get called out for.


What is a "rather lavish lifestyle" anyway?
Does every doctor live this way?
Should there be restrictions on income? Good career choices? Fudiciary responsibility? Sound investments? Success?


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its only okay for libs to have money.  I never hear any of the libs commenting about rich libs.   Constantly a double standard and hypocrisy.
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Spazdad and Blue - Ok !  The doctors that I know live a rather lavish lifestyle but they have been in practice for a while.  That is just fine with me. They chose a difficult profession and seem to be earnest fellows within that profession.  One is very liberal in his politics, and one is very conservative.  Both have common sense and can thus discuss politics without becoming overly emotional.   To me, a rather lavish lifestyle is one in which a person doesn't think about whether he should or could  buy a house or not, but rather what kind of house he wants in which gated community and can pay cash for; not whether he can afford a car, but rather what type car he wants, and he pays cash for it if his accountant says that's the way to go.  In my idea of a lavish lifestyle Daddy buys a new car for each kid when each kid reaches the age to drive one.  In my idea of a lavish lifestyle, kids are born going to college, and Daddy doesn't worry about the cost, but rather whether junior can get into "the college of his choice".  Without thought to cost, each child will go to a prestigious private school if that is deemed best for him or her.  There is no discussion of whether the family will go on vacation, but rather just where they will go, Aspen for skiing or Bermuda for the beach and sun, or wherever.  Of course there is an opulent lifestyle well beyond this (Mr. Lavish stays at the very best hotels - Mr. Opulent owns them and has a financial advisor who invests wisely) , but the noted lifestyle aspects that I've mentioned would be plenty  "lavish" enough for me and mine and thus I define a lavish lifestyle from where I sit.

As for earning success, anyone who has survived medical school has earned that lavish lifestyle that I described except a few clunkers who barely made it and don't practice well.  Even with Obamacare, I don't think that any of these doctors will exactly be worried about where their next meal is coming from.  That lavish lifestyle and pride in ones work is plenty enough for a definition of societal "success" (given good health) for me.  Personal ethics and a good values system is food for thought for another day.

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Currently they live a rather lavish lifestyle.      Frank


There is another one of those subtle digs that you get called out for.
What is a "rather lavish lifestyle" anyway? Does every doctor live this way? Should there be restrictions on income? Good career choices? Fudiciary responsibility? Sound investments? Success?


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Should there be restrictions on income?
  A socialist would say yes, when you make a certain level of income it no longer belongs to you.  One cannot have the finer things in life because the moochers and slackers should be attended to first before you are entitled to your own money.

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Here's another chance for me to ask the difference between a Socialist and a Democrat on the left?


A Socialist believes.......

but a left leaning Democrat believes.....
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do a web search
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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figured.

You notice how JG defined what he meant by lavish lifestyle so we could understand the difference from his perspective?  That's how it's done.  We can find the definition of Socialist in a web search but we can't find the meaning from your perspective.  Telling us how it differs from a regular Democrat on the left, from your view, is needed to understand the context.
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both democrats and socialists believe all should sacrifice more for the benefit of the whole.  Say it ain't so [Government knows best what to do with our money?  They have proven fairly unreliable IMO]  I ask what is the man doing to pull himself up, besides sticking his hand out?  All I have to add on your socialism tonight. dewey, not playing your word games at this time, I know you are looking for a sparring partner but you'll have to find someone else right now.

  let me get back to my gun research.  Got the DD a new 9mm for Christmas.  Looking at a S&W .40 cal for myself, any ideas on which way to go?

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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