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Will_I_Wynn

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"It's actually possible to take anything anyone says and argue that it wasn't a lie."


Actually, for Democrats around here, it's quite challenging.  It would be easier if we'd stop trying to call everything a lie.  Politicians spin, predict, promise, exaggerate, and paint things in a good light, all while trying to win an election.  That's what they do on both sides.  Why this group tries to take down Obama so much must be the partisan thing to do.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


pabar61

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
"It's actually possible to take anything anyone says and argue that it wasn't a lie."


Actually, for Democrats around here, it's quite challenging.  It would be easier if we'd stop trying to call everything a lie.  Politicians spin, predict, promise, exaggerate, and paint things in a good light, all while trying to win an election.  That's what they do on both sides.  Why this group tries to take down Obama so much must be the partisan thing to do.


It would actually be much easier if certain partisan people in this forum would admit that their favorite president actually did lie as so many other people agreed.  WaPo certainly agreed.

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TheNarrator

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Obama intentionally misled Americans about Obamacare.

Articles and quotes have been posted to prove it. It is indefensible.

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uwApoligist

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Democrats lost an election because of the lies.
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Why do Democrats lie?  Why?
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Because the truth would be repulsive to most Americans
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Will_I_Wynn

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Death panels and Government takeover of healthcare.  Two Politifact "lies of the year" by Republicans.  Why do they do this?  My guess is to hopefully win elections. 

Obama is a foreigner, millions of illegals voted, Hillary will be locked up.  Why do Republicans tell falsehoods?  My guess is to hopefully win elections.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


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If you like your plan you can keep your plan. Why did he say this? Obviously to help win an election
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Will_I_Wynn

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No, the Right told Americans they would have to buy insurance from the Federal Government and see a doctor provided by the Government.  Obama had to counter the lies and tell Americans it wasn't true.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


TheNarrator

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So he lied to combat the lies.

And now you are literally the only one who won’t admit he was lying.

Have fun having discussions with yourself - it does no good to engage with people who lie.

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
No, the Right told Americans they would have to buy insurance from the Federal Government and see a doctor provided by the Government.  Obama had to counter the lies and tell Americans it wasn't true.


That's a lie.  

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Will_I_Wynn

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The Right talked of death panels who might ultimately determine care.  They spoke of medical care that many not be authorized.  Many implied we would have to purchase our insurance from the exchange.  Lots of misinformation was being spread by the Right during the healthcare debate.

In any event, we have made our case.  Politifact pointed out two lies by the Right and one where they said Obama lied.  We'll let the readers determine which they want to believe.  It's interesting as to why the Right would want to point out a "lie of the year" made against Obama when they were the proud owners of two "lies of the year" on the same healthcare debate.  I guess if this is a contest, the Right lied more about Obamacare than Obama did.  Red team, blue team.

PS:  Let's show the readers where we stand.  I disagree with Politifact on their choice of Obama lying.  Are you in agreement with Politifact when it comes to the two Republican lies they called out?  At least let the reader know if you always agree with Politifact or only when they call out Democrats.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


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bureaucrats are directing care now.  They control the purse strings.  That directs care.  Since users are forced from $2k up to $10k in premium payments while deductables went from $250 to $4k, they are very much squeezing the working man out of the health system.

For instance used to be you would have a significant back or shoulder pain, you would go get that looked at.  Now you are going to skip it, so you don't loose hundreds.

That money is now redirected from healthy and hard working in our society and going directly to the drug addled layabouts.
pabar61

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
The Right talked of death panels who might ultimately determine care.  They spoke of medical care that many not be authorized.  Many implied we would have to purchase our insurance from the exchange.  Lots of misinformation was being spread by the Right during the healthcare debate.

In any event, we have made our case.  Politifact pointed out two lies by the Right and one where they said Obama lied.  We'll let the readers determine which they want to believe.  It's interesting as to why the Right would want to point out a "lie of the year" made against Obama when they were the proud owners of two "lies of the year" on the same healthcare debate.  I guess if this is a contest, the Right lied more about Obamacare than Obama did.  Red team, blue team.

PS:  Let's show the readers where we stand.  I disagree with Politifact on their choice of Obama lying.  Are you in agreement with Politifact when it comes to the two Republican lies they called out?  At least let the reader know if you always agree with Politifact or only when they call out Democrats.


the Right told Americans they would have to buy insurance from the Federal Government and see a doctor provided by the Government.


Now everyone sees your lying nature.  You first said the right told Americans.  You then changed it to they implied.

Which is it, liar?

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Will_I_Wynn

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Several on the Right offered up many misleading statements regarding Obamacare.  I gave several examples of the type of things they were saying.  President Obama had to reinforce the fact citizens would not have to buy insurance from the exchanges.  He did that because some on the Right said otherwise.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
Several on the Right offered up many misleading statements regarding Obamacare.  I gave several examples of the type of things they were saying.  President Obama had to reinforce the fact citizens would not have to buy insurance from the exchanges.  He did that because some on the Right said otherwise.


You didn't answer my question but your first sentence is legit - if there was ever an expert on making misleading statements, it's you.

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TheNarrator

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the Right told Americans they would have to buy insurance from the Federal Government and see a doctor provided by the Government.


Now everyone sees your lying nature.  You first said the right told Americans.  You then changed it to they implied.

Which is it, liar?


Precisely why I’m done with him on this issue. Obama lied, now he’s lying to cover Obama’s lies. It’s fun to sit back and watch him spin

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uwApoligist

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the Right told Americans they would have to buy insurance from the Federal Government and see a doctor provided by the Government.


Now everyone sees your lying nature.  You first said the right told Americans.  You then changed it to they implied.

Which is it, liar?

Good catch on lying dewey.
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Two threads going with Dewey’s BS. Talk about the rabbit hole.
I made the mistake today to try and counter his propaganda with a real world example and he still says it never happened.’
F him.

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uwApoligist

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I think that dewey is just about ready to go to bed.
DietCoke

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Another Republican with some common sense.  What an oddity.

http://www.hartsvillevidette.com/local-news/guest-view-medicare-give-business-big-boost/

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uwApoligist

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Another Republican with some common sense.  What an oddity.

http://www.hartsvillevidette.com/local-news/guest-view-medicare-give-business-big-boost/

"Embrace single payer" Communist spotted.
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