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Will_I_Wynn

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When study says employer based health insurance premiums rose an average of 3%, it doesn't mean each and every employer.  This is the average according to the annual survey. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/health/health-insurance-premiums-employer.html

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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

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Can't read it is behind a pay wall.

Trust me that is shill information.  Everyone knows what their premiums did.  They went up 40% here in the state of WA.  Our deductables went up to $10k.  Making the policy completely worthless.

Meanwhile non working layabout gets to go to doctor for free, gets a free ride in a shiny red and white ambulance, probably even turn the lights and sirens on for him.  

Tell me how that is fair dew?

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Well that’s how you get you 3% average growth. Your 40% increase is offset by others getting a check to go to the Dr.
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"Idaho looks to be first state to drive stake through heart of ObamaCare"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/27/one-state-pursues-end-obamacare-setting-stage-for-new-fight.html

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Dewey - explain this to me.  My CPA just finished my taxes.  I will state up front that I made a lot of money last year.

Having said that, I am being taxed $12,407 to help fund Obamacare.  That is a direct quote from my CPA.

In what world, other than a socialist society, are my hard-earned dollars confiscated from me to pay for a program with which I completely disagree?

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1st - congrats on the good year
2nd - sorry about the tax situation, and most of all
3rd - glad to see you blow back in here



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Dewey - explain this to me.  My CPA just finished my taxes.  I will state up front that I made a lot of money last year.

Having said that, I am being taxed $12,407 to help fund Obamacare.  That is a direct quote from my CPA.

In what world, other than a socialist society, are my hard-earned dollars confiscated from me to pay for a program with which I completely disagree?
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Thanks Mike.  I realize that I am Blessed and I am grateful.  More importantly, I understand the need to pay my fair share of taxes.

But the idea that I have to pay over $12K for Obamacare subsidization angers me as much as if it had been identified for Planned Parenthood or the PLO.

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Thanks Mike.  I realize that I am Blessed and I am grateful.  More importantly, I understand the need to pay my fair share of taxes.

But the idea that I have to pay over $12K for Obamacare subsidization angers me as much as if it had been identified for Planned Parenthood or the PLO.


totally agree. just so folks who don't feel like working can get a plan for free.

my premiums this year are $2600/mo, plus more increased deductibles for meds and services.  thankfully for me, our company is FINALLY moving to an employee sponsored plan, so that should bring me back to reality.

though not a tax per se, my premiums are in effect a tax also, so others can freeload.

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totally agree. just so folks who don't feel like working can get a plan for free.



Yeah, I'm sure people don't work and live in poverty just so they can get free health insurance.

And you were happier when people went to the emergency room and never paid for services?  You don't think you were paying for that?

And now this guy has finally realized this?  What an idiot!  Definitely one of those "good people" that Trump was going to surround himself with.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/tom-price-changes-mind-says-repealing-individual-mandate-will-raise-costs.html

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Yeah, I'm sure people don't work and live in poverty just so they can get free health insurance.


Plenty of Dem votors choose to not work and get by with the myriad of benefits the social engineers have saddled this country with.  Free medical is just one of many. 

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The actual point is that those that work, should get good healthcare.  They are productive, support their families, educate their kids. 

Those that are layabouts should not get 'free' healthcare when those that work are paying double for their healthcare to cover the cost of the layabouts.  

If you are saying the layabouts should still get some minimum healthcare, we all agree.  We are just saying that free level should be highly cost controlled.  Not top flight, ambulances, free everything, all paid by taxpayers.





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If you don't have a decent job, how can you pay for health care? Some giant conglomerate hires you part time and takes advantage of your plight by offering no benefit package. There are many individuals that would gladly work their asses off for a livable wage and health care from their employer. Some will obviously abuse free health care, but it's worth it for those that need it. You seem to care more about an unborn fetus than a living human being.
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Since you are once again showing your total lack of reading comprehension UW stated that those that work should get a form of coverage. No criteria were stated as to what level of income or type of job was required. Just be a productive person with your life.

Here it is again since you may have missed it on your spittle covered monitor.

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The actual point is that those that work, should get good healthcare.  They are productive, support their families, educate their kids.

How doyou expect to be taken seriously when you can’t even read. All you do is regurgitate your tired talking points since your brain in incapable of forming a valid thought in relation to the discussion.
Notice you threw in the obligatory leftist cry of “living wage” . How appropriate on May Day. Extra brownie points for you

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uwApoligist

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It is called indigent care. 
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Govcare. Minimal HC at no expense to the wards of the state. No we won't let you die of your own ignorance in the streets, but we aren't going to go out of our way to keep you alive, thereby continuing to subsidize your ignorance either. You have been provided with a free education. You are also provided with housing, clothing, and food as are the future wards of the state you continue to bring forth through your own ignorance, and stupidity. Exempt from that are the truly disabled, and the mentally unsound. They along with our veterans are those who we as a nation should offer the best care available. Everyone else should get their sh!t together, and stop waiting for a Socialist big government to care for them from cradle to grave.
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Yeah, I'm sure people don't work and live in poverty just so they can get free health insurance.

And you were happier when people went to the emergency room and never paid for services?  You don't think you were paying for that?

And now this guy has finally realized this?  What an idiot!  Definitely one of those "good people" that Trump was going to surround himself with.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/tom-price-changes-mind-says-repealing-individual-mandate-will-raise-costs.html




We pay far more for the ER visits from illegal immigrants that never pay for their services.

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Will_I_Wynn

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So you believe those who told the electorate Obamacare would lead to death panels were mistaken, not lying?
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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So you believe those who told the electorate Obamacare would lead to death panels were mistaken, not lying?


They were making a prediction that may yet come to pass.

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Will_I_Wynn

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Very well.  Similarly, if Obama didn't believe those who said a large percentage would lose insurance policies, how could that be a lie then?
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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Very well.  Similarly, if Obama didn't believe those who said a large percentage would lose insurance policies, how could that be a lie then?


Narrator already showed you the evidence that they knew in advance that people would lose their coverage.  The architect of Obamacare admitted it.

And nobody was talking about large percentages so stop trying to add elements that will let you off the hook later.

WaPo - 4 Pinocchios for Obama on it.

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But they knew it was going to happen - the article has been posted twice. Here is the quote once again:

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

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Will_I_Wynn

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No, maybe Obama didn't agree it would happen.  I don't know if it did happen.
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Am I supposed to post the determination that a sitting President cannot be indicted and say Trump had to agree with it?  Is he not allowed to come to a different conclusion?
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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Am I supposed to post the determination that a sitting President cannot be indicted and say Trump had to agree with it?  Is he not allowed to come to a different conclusion?


This post is unintelligible.


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No, maybe Obama didn't agree it would happen.  I don't know if it did happen.


Saving this nonsense - using this logic President Trump hasn’t told a lie either!

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For you maybe.  The legal determination happened in 1973 and was agreed to again in 2000.  A sitting President cannot be indicted.  Trump should have known about it before telling the electorate Hillary would be indicted as President.  But as you said, he didn't have to agree with it just as Obama didn't have to agree with those saying many would lose their policies.  Different opinion.



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And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”


Somebody did mention large percentages.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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True - it's actually possible to take anything anyone says and argue that it wasn't a lie.

The funny thing about Dewey is that the normal reader would have to assume that Dewey was actually in the Oval Office with Obama with direct access to his actual thoughts and words.  Maybe Dewey really believes he was there!

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"It's actually possible to take anything anyone says and argue that it wasn't a lie."


Actually, for Democrats around here, it's quite challenging.  It would be easier if we'd stop trying to call everything a lie.  Politicians spin, predict, promise, exaggerate, and paint things in a good light, all while trying to win an election.  That's what they do on both sides.  Why this group tries to take down Obama so much must be the partisan thing to do.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

A 2017 opinion poll ranks Reagan and Obama #1 and #2 best Presidents since WWII.


 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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"It's actually possible to take anything anyone says and argue that it wasn't a lie."


Actually, for Democrats around here, it's quite challenging.  It would be easier if we'd stop trying to call everything a lie.  Politicians spin, predict, promise, exaggerate, and paint things in a good light, all while trying to win an election.  That's what they do on both sides.  Why this group tries to take down Obama so much must be the partisan thing to do.


It would actually be much easier if certain partisan people in this forum would admit that their favorite president actually did lie as so many other people agreed.  WaPo certainly agreed.

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Obama intentionally misled Americans about Obamacare.

Articles and quotes have been posted to prove it. It is indefensible.

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