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TheNarrator

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ObamaCare did more to elect trump than the Russians
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The truth is, you WANT Bill to have raped her, so you believe it.
spazsdad

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Would love to see a poll regarding favorbility broken down by those getting free, or almost free coverage vs those seeing double digit rate increases.
Me thinks the results would paint a different picture of its success.

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ObamaCare did more to elect trump than the Russians


What a great point, muh obamacare

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Will_I_Wynn

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"Our deductible as a family is increasing from $3,000 to $5,000."


Prior to Obamacare, a deductible could be $10,000 with a maximum out of pocket at $20,000 or more.  This was junk insurance.  The beauty of Obamacare was to take bad products off the market.  Today the maximum out of pocket costs are limited.  What good is insurance that can't be used?  Today the most an individual can pay for medical expenses is $7350.  One can buy an individual health insurance policy with $1850 deductible, $5,000 maximum costs in the event of a bad medical year, for $less than $700/mo.  If you want a policy with less deductible and less out of pocket costs, they are available.

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"One can buy an individual health insurance policy with $1850 deductible, $5,000 maximum costs in the event of a bad medical year, for $less than $700/mo"
Sources other than in your head?

Let's just play along with Dewey though.
So for $8400/yr in premiums you get to also spend $6850 out of pocket with deductibles. And for a measly sum of $15,250/ yr for one person you get a crappy bronze level plan. Oh why didn't I see what a great thing Obamacare really is.

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Will_I_Wynn

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Most people only pay premiums plus a few co-pays when visiting doctors.  I suspect few people pay their out of pocket maximum.  Prior to Obamacare, it could have been over $50,000 (or whatever amount the company wanted to put in policy) if one ended up in hospital with serious illness.  That financial destruction has been eliminated thanks to Obamacare.

What were the comparable costs in 2000?  Or 2008?

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If Obama care was such a great idea, why did they have to lie to get it passed?

Stolen from another Poster but a question we’ve never had an answer to from anyone on the left

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What was the lie?
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I remember paying under $500/month for a family of 4 with a PPO plan.
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TheNarrator

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Thanks to Jonathan Gruber for revealing Obamacare deception

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-thanks-to-jonathan-gruber-for-revealing-obamacare-deception/2014/11/17/356514b2-6e72-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.41425ae68f7b

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I remember paying under $500/month for a family of 4 with a PPO plan.


Did you have a preexisting condition?
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I remember paying under $500/month for a family of 4 with a PPO plan.

Gold level without paying additional taxes on it.

Why do libs need 500 dollar rides in ambulances to the hospital for a $500 aspirin.  They are sitting on their porch the rest of the day.  Why not take the already subsidized bus?

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Fresh

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I have several porches, but the wife is the only one that sits on them. I have stuff to do.
I have received 1 month unemployment in the 53 years I've been working. The rest of my life has been pay as I go. Blaming everything on the porch sitters is lazy and just using a term the circle can rally around. Your messiah, the trumpet, definitely knows how to turn a phrase....and a profit from other peoples efforts. Never been in an ambulance, BTW. Buy my aspirin at Costco.
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No cost control -- Unsustainable. 
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I'm more getting a sense that willie wynn is dewey is a F'n loser. 
Will_I_Wynn

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55 year old couple in 2005 paid an average of $457 in premiums with almost $3000 deductible.  They could be refused insurance and there was a cap on lifetime payments.  There were no preventative care procedures at no charge.  I'm certain NY and CA were higher than this average.

At 10% annual increase, that would put this couple at $1435 monthly and $6000 deductible today.  If they lived in CA or NY, probably much higher.  If they had a preexisting condition, add even more assuming they could get coverage.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/content/expertcenterNew/CostBenefitsReportSeptember2007.pdf

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Of course you latched onto the oldest demo so you could quote the highest numbers. So dishonest.
Your own link shows a family average premium of $326 with an average deductible of $2300.
Why would you assune a 10% yearly cost increase? To justify your hypothetical? Because your own link only shows an increase of 5% from 2005-2006.

"No preventative care procedures at no charge"

So what. Take care of yourself for minor stuff, does your auto insurance cover oil changes and tires? Of course not. You have to do something on your own. Everything doesn't need to be free cuz nothing is free.
Why does Dewey continue to try new misslead the Freshman parents

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Will_I_Wynn

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The oldest demo matched the age buying insurance today for $700 in my example.  In any event, here's an old article discussing the large annual increases in health insurance costs.  The reason we have Obamacare is because the healthcare costs in this Country were a huge burden on everyone's budget, including the Federal budget.  We spend much more than any other Country.  There must be solutions to this disparity.

http://www.chcf.org/media/press-releases/2004/california-health-insurance-premiums-continue-doubledigit-increases-rising-114-percent-in-2004

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Will.......give up

They got nothing but to try to discredit your identity. Why are extremist conservatives so dishonest?
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Dewy........give up

They got nothing but to try to discredit your identity. Why are extremist conservatives so dishonest?


FTFY

I guess my pointing out his discrepancies is an attack on his identity in your book.

PS my rates go up 29% on Jan 1. That ain't due to inflation. That's how the keep the system afloat trying to pay for all the free healthcare

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Maybe your employer just decided to have you pay a higher share of your insurance costs.  Lots of variables (size of family, deductible, employer share, etc.) make up a change in premiums.
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Will.......give up

They got nothing but to try to discredit your identity. Why are extremist conservatives so dishonest?


If you knew what will had done in the past, you would not be his biggest cheerleader.

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If you knew what will had done in the past, you would not be his biggest cheerleader.


And if you were right
And if I did
I would still say

Address the issues he presents. He's much more on task than I am and he appears to care what you think. Not one of my objectives.
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Maybe your employer just decided to have you pay a higher share of your insurance costs.  Lots of variables (size of family, deductible, employer share, etc.) make up a change in premiums.

Self employed. . We are the ones getting shafted the worst in all of this.
You are correct many variables driving premiums. The biggest currently being they need to stick it to those of us paying in to keep all the free birth control flowing to the impoverished.
What's your next excuse for this failed program?

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And if you were right
And if I did
I would still say

Address the issues he presents. He's much more on task than I am and he appears to care what you think. Not one of my objectives.


Oh I’m right, he has personally accused me of lying several times on this board and accused me of using multiple handles when I never have. I will never give in to him, he is single-handedly the most dishonest person I’ve ever seen.

It was fun to debate the old Dewey, but until he comes clean it admit what he did and why he did it, in my opinion he has lost that right

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Oh I’m right, he has personally accused me of lying several times on this board and accused me of using multiple handles when I never have. I will never give in to him, he is single-handedly the most dishonest person I’ve ever seen. It was fun to debate the old Dewey, but until he comes clean it admit what he did and why he did it, in my opinion he has lost that right


Childish. If I let  what you loonies said about me affect me, I wouldn't last 5 minutes here. I know you have a tilted, hate filled vision of people and society and it slides off my back. I literally don't know any other people that think like you and find your(the circle) version of the truth fascinating. How anybody could get so delusional is a mystery. The Clinton stories alone could fill a novel. Keep it up, it is, at the least, entertaining.
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Quite the contrary. Definitely a glass half full kind of guy. Don’t look for hate and wrong in people like you.

It’s why I keep giving you a chance to be a contributing member and not someone that just calls people names and Looks foolish by sticking their head in the sand. Despite what you have said about me personally, i genuinely hope you come around . You are the first persons since Dewey that can put a sentence together.

You can think it’s childish all you want, he’s getting what he deserves. A little creepy you care some much.

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You guys can't stay on subject. All this crap about you think Will is somebody else and trying to tie me somehow into another poster. Counter productive. Any port in a storm I guess. Just another paradigm of the fringe right. I don't give sh1t who you are in real life. People on these boards are seldom who they appear to be anyway. I ask Bomber if he's going to the convention, opportunity to talk and you guys go all confrontational. Truly bewildering.
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If you highlight what we know and bold text it, you may make Will I Wynn a new entity. Truly bewildering. Dewy just came back with a determination to not engage.

Same words, same thoughts, same slant, same biases, same subjectiveness, same love for the democrat party, same love for Bill Clinton, same defense of Obama, same thoughts on the Republicans, same opinions, same writing style, same political hack as always. Even Bill Smith knows that Will I Wynn is his old buddy Dewy. You are the gullible that dewy speaks of in his signature line.

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Durden said.........
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Oh I’m right, he has personally accused me of lying several times on this board and accused me of using multiple handles when I never have. I will never give in to him, he is single-handedly the most dishonest person I’ve ever seen.


Durden, you're quite the victim...........Very much a product of this weak-minded society, nowadays...............
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Durden said.........


Durden, you're quite the victim...........Very much a product of this weak-minded society, nowadays...............


Bluedog says he handles his own battles, when someone trying to do the same thing blue dog yelps

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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