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Obama lied.
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CoachB - While health care costs are growing more slowly than years past, premiums have not seen similar.  One Obama staff member says it will take a little longer.  If people are interested in articles discussing our Obamacare status, I recommend this, this, and this.  These articles more clearly state the goals President Obama intended to reach, some scored by the CBO.  You be the judge.
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Insurance premiums have actually gone up more under Obama than Bush.

Wonder why media is not playing clips from 2008, 09, 10, 11, & 2012 of Obama saying premiums would go down if people kept same policy. Our's went up each year & we increased deductable on top of it. I'm not getting a fuzzy feeling for this AFHCA thing.
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The Healthcare costs will not go down and I hear about it from doctors, nurses, insurance companies and even my fellow paramedics at work daily. Nomatter how you slice it...costs will go up.
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Healthcare costs and premiums will continue to rise significantly more than before.  Whenever govt gets involved costs skyrocket.  Third layer, abuse, deep pockets, etc....They already lied about the elderly in medicare helping to pay for the freebies that go on medicaid.  


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CoachB - While health care costs are growing more slowly than years past, premiums have not seen similar.  One Obama staff member says it will take a little longer.  If people are interested in articles discussing our Obamacare status, I recommend this, this, and this.  These articles more clearly state the goals President Obama intended to reach, some scored by the CBO.  You be the judge.

Dewey--Is there a point in time that you will agree that what this President tells the general public does not match up with reality, or perhaps even with his actual intentions? Why do we have to read your linked articles that "more clearly state the goal..."? On numerous occassions you have stated your "trust" in your elected officials. How can you trust someone who, even according to you, does not clearly state his goals and intentions? This man is reported to have an education second to none, yet he can not clearly articulate his goals and intentions? To quote Woody, "I call major BS"! Actually I want to trump that, I call President BS. He is intentionally attempting to mislead and misinform us. And it works when this information is heard by the LCD or uninformed voter!

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Nicely said softballfanatic.
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Some day once the Conman in Chief is gone someone will make a vaudeville style film showing all the flim-flam scams he pulled on the ignorant American electorate, the piles of cash he pocketed and absconded with, and the debt he buried the country under. It will look like a comedy, but it won't be funny.
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Dewey--Is there a point in time that you will agree that what this President tells the general public does not match up with reality, or perhaps even with his actual intentions? Why do we have to read your linked articles that "more clearly state the goal..."?


softballfanatic - I listed what I think were three good articles providing information and grades on the AHCA to date.  It seemed easier than trying to debate with members precisely what they think the President said in the past.

Administrations make assessments of what the results are expected to be based on actions they intend to take.  I don't believe these are equivalent to guarantees.  The last Administration told us the two wars would not be long drawn out Vietnam type experiences.  Their assessments missed the mark significantly.  The articles I linked were intended to examine what the targets were, more accurately show what the CBO and President predicted, and illustrate how close we are to meeting these predictions.  Again, the readers can make their own judgment on the results to date. 

Yesterday you told the readers this Administration is telling citizens they can pass a law and end mass shootings.  This is not the case at all but, in the future, I fully expect someone to come back here after a shooting and say, the President lied when he said he could stop mass shootings.  I will disagree and counter their comment again, like I did here, when this occurs.

Finally, I just paid paid the bi-weekly installment of my wife's insurance responsibility.  It went from $158.91 to $166.53.  Our deductible went from $1000 to $1200 and out of pocket went from $2000 to $2400.  I admit I have no way of knowing if our 4.7% increase is akin to what the Company's actual premium went up.  More importantly, I have no way of knowing if our increase would have been greater without the AHCA, which is what I understand the President to have promised in his speeches, and we can only conjecture what would have been.  This law is still moving forward and no doubt some assessments have been more accurate than others, but I think some grading should wait until the law is given a full chance to take hold.  Fortunately, I hear Rep. Bachmann can't even find a co-sponsor, this time around, for her repeal Obamacare bill.  Maybe the attacks on this new law are dying down.


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Dewey--Is there a point in time that you will agree that what this President tells the general public does not match up with reality, or perhaps even with his actual intentions? Why do we have to read your linked articles that "more clearly state the goal..."?


softballfanatic - I listed what I think were three good articles providing information and grades on the AHCA to date.  It seemed easier than trying to debate with members precisely what they think the President said in the past.

Administrations make assessments of what the results are expected to be based on actions they intend to take.  I don't believe these are equivalent to guarantees.  The last Administration told us the two wars would not be long drawn out Vietnam type experiences.  Their assessments missed the mark significantly.  The articles I linked were intended to examine what the targets were, more accurately show what the CBO and President predicted, and illustrate how close we are to meeting these predictions.  Again, the readers can make their own judgment on the results to date. 

Yesterday you told the readers this Administration is telling citizens they can pass a law and end mass shootings.  This is not the case at all but, in the future, I fully expect someone to come back here after a shooting and say, the President lied when he said he could stop mass shootings.  I will disagree and counter their comment again, like I did here, when this occurs.

Finally, I just paid paid the bi-weekly installment of my wife's insurance responsibility.  It went from $158.91 to $166.53.  Our deductible went from $1000 to $1200 and out of pocket went from $2000 to $2400.  I admit I have no way of knowing if our 4.7% increase is akin to what the Company's actual premium went up.  More importantly, I have no way of knowing if our increase would have been greater without the AHCA, which is what I understand the President to have promised in his speeches, and we can only conjecture what would have been.  This law is still moving forward and no doubt some assessments have been more accurate than others, but I think some grading should wait until the law is given a full chance to take hold.  Fortunately, I hear Rep. Bachmann can't even find a co-sponsor, this time around, for her repeal Obamacare bill.  Maybe the attacks on this new law are dying down.




Dewey--Sorry, but your spin is creating a venturi that is sucking your credibility down the drain.
One of this Prsident's favorite phrases is, "Let me be clear"! Which is it? He "clearly" stated that the AHCA would reduce costs by $2500 per family. He didn't say that it would take until 2020 for that to happen! He is eithe "being clear" or he is intentionally misleading the LCD uninformed voter!

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softballfanatic - With all due respect, every time someone says my credibility is taking a hit, I know the argument I made was a solid and well thought out response.  We've both been around here long enough to realize when other truly foolish posts are made, no highlighting is necessary.
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Looks like Dewey's Costs went up over $800 per year, well more than the 4.7% Dewey thinks they went up, and obviously nowhere near the $2500 savings claimed by the Imperial ConMan. Some might even calculate a net loss of $3300 there, if one were silly enough to have projected expenses based on the lies foisted on Americans to rally support for the Screw America Health Care Act.

Assume the position folks, this scam is just getting started.

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ForeverInBlue - You're not hoping I reach my deductible this year, are you?  Don't jinx me.
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Dewey, As much as we might disagree from time to time I would never jinx your health.
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Thank you my friend.  I assumed as much.
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Obamacare coming to light.  Wonder how many Americans are gonna like paying significantly increased prices for less availability and less quality.  Like I said before.  Medicaid for everyone but the price will be considerably higher.

http://www.ow.ly/h3MVs


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Obamacare coming to light.  Wonder how many Americans are gonna like paying significantly increased prices for less availability and less quality.  Like I said before.  Medicaid for everyone but the price will be considerably higher.

http://www.ow.ly/h3MVs



The doctor who wrote the article ended by saying what has been said here from day 1.

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Don’t worry, though. The medical services that you’ll have a hard time accessing are mostly the stuff you’ll only need if you get really sick.

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think we are not going to pay with decreased quality, services, and big increased premiums, think again.  This is just the beginning.  What a nightmare!

http://www.bit.ly/WlaQiP



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Hollywood pushing euthanasia.  No surprise.  Fits right into Obamas Obamacare agenda.  

http://www.bit.ly/VnlZS8



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I thought Obamacare was supposed to be cheaper?

http://www.drudge.tw/YHyzwH


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Too bad your "news" source doesn't know the difference between a "final" regulation and a "proposed" regulation.

And the $20,000 is only an amount used in two examples to illustrate how the calculations will work.  There is nothing that says the cost of a policy will be $20,000.

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

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Hollywood pushing euthanasia.  No surprise.  Fits right into Obamas Obamacare agenda.  

http://www.bit.ly/VnlZS8


Saw this morning that at the recent Redford film festival, they featured a film on Dr Tiller's life & death , also on the current 4 biggest abortion Doctors in US. I understand it received 4 standing ovations. In watching the report, I noted that it is interesting how a liberal

[ in Hollywood ] can warn us about anti-choice [ the new name given pro-life ] extremists, but see nothing wrong with killing a perfectly normal baby.
I pray daily for these babies, their mothers & those working at these clinics that perform these abortions.
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I pray daily for these babies, their mothers & those working at these clinics that perform these abortions.


Isn't it a shame.  I saw the NBC evening news yesterday and they had a segment where Brian Williams reported there were 202 shootings yesterday in this country.  He didn't say 202 murders, he said 202 shootings.  My question was why don't they have a segment on the 3,700 abortions that are performed daily with the loss of a life and women that will be mentally scarred forever?  They should give equal time to all deaths in this country daily.

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B10 totally agree.  The hypocrisy is mind boggling.
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Got home from w/e softball tourney in NC & got a shocker on my insurance.
Since I had retired early, I was lucky to get HC Insurance & until I was 65 & after going on medicare, supplemental & prescription coverage, both at a reasonable price.
Beginning 3/1 my prescription coverage deductable is going from $100 to $ 425. I will pay 10% more for my co-pay & I now have a donought hole after 2950 paid by plan.
In total my prescription plan & my co-pay will increase about 300 per month based on what my meds cost last year & higher deductable/ donoughtnut hole.
The company I retired from had been 100% self insured, now have went to insurance plan for prescriptions. They say it is a way to cut costs & new AFHCA has added several costs.
I talked to human resources & they said they were sorry for hitting retired with big jump in cost, but that they have to now insure everyone on policies, have had to add many to parents insurance, cover more pt employees, etc. they had a big list.
Maybe I have been lucky to have the insurance I have had for 8 years since going on Medicare, but a $3000 year hit is a shocker.
And thats on top of a 20% increase in my supplemental that came Jan 1.

Not so sure this reduced HC thing is working too well.
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B10IS1-

Examine your program's contractual language with an expert. If it contains a proviso that protects the policy issuer with this reverse COLA codicil, you're screwed. If not, tell them to pound sand, you ain't paying.


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B10IS1-

Examine your program's contractual language with an expert. If it contains a proviso that protects the policy issuer with this reverse COLA codicil, you're screwed. If not, tell them to pound sand, you ain't paying.

Bill thanks, but I'm pretty much screwed.
My company is self insured & the supplemental plan I have included Dr, Hosp, prescriptions, it now covers DR & Hosp only, my prescriptions are through Silver-Scripts. I can either go with that or go out & get my own policy & pay for it.....Checked it all out today & will cost me about $2+K per year.

I just get a kick out of all the promises made with AFHCA on costs going down, keeping same drs.,etc.
Costs of tests I get every year are up, Meds are up, Insurance is up & 2 of my 3 drs. left town [ live in rural area].
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Sorry to hear. Of course, they'll tell you it is the cost of doing business. As they drive away in those luxury cars. All the while, the insured are jump starting their rent-a-wrecks.

Best to you.


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Sorry to hear. Of course, they'll tell you it is the cost of doing business. As they drive away in those luxury cars. All the while, the insured are jump starting their rent-a-wrecks.

Best to you.



Just curious who is "they" in this scenario?

Also curious, wasn't Ocare meant to fix these types of problems? Save people money? Be good for the middle class and poor?

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The costs and consequences of Obamacare

http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/11/in-healthcare-one-law-is-working-like-a

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