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mikec

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KIR - out of curiosity, what did you get her?
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If you are saying all Democrats are Socialists and vice versa, then no definition needed.  If not, I wanted to know the difference between a Democrat on the left and a Socialist.  Not sparring, I just take every opportunity I can to get someone to clarify their labels for me.
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A good friend of mine carries that gun. I've not tried in person, but he sure seems to like it. I want to get a carry gun in the next few weeks. I think I'm going to buy a shotgun too, probably ovwr the summer, and start hunting again. I got rid of my guns when the kids were little.

I have to go the sheriff's office to get fingerprinted in about a week for my permit.
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Dewey the majority of drs in the field do not agree with obamacare.  Most of those associations do not represent the majority.  AMAonly represents about 25%of drs nationwide.  maybe the reason why they dont belong is they dont agree with the assoc politics.  


I can easily say that 90 percent of the doctors working in our oncology office DISAGREE with you. Or at least what you "think" is true.

Until you actually see what some of these patients go through....

 DON'T speak for those in the medical field who do!!!!

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Talk about a non sequitur.
What does seeing a patient suffer have to do with Obamacare?
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Cal I believe you live in the socialist bastion of cali.  Maybe you need to wake up to the world outside of cali.  I have dealt with many oncologists with me having cancer as I said and work with GPs, internists, neurologists, orthopods, etc... with my physicaltherapy business.  Read and try and talk with drs and people from around in different states etc.. Having the view from both sides of the fence is good.  Gives you good perspective.  
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Talk about a non sequitur. What does seeing a patient suffer have to do with Obamacare?


I'm talking about the costs you pompous as*. Pre-existing conditions? Health insurance companies approving the chemotherapy and not the radiation even though both combined can nearly double your chances of surviving. Not being able to afford part of your treatment? Just because you might not like "obamacare" doesn't mean many people aren't being positively affected by it!!!!!

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Cal I believe you live in the socialist bastion of cali.  Maybe you need to wake up to the world outside of cali.  I have dealt with many oncologists with me having cancer as I said and work with GPs, internists, neurologists, orthopods, etc... with my physicaltherapy business.  Read and try and talk with drs and people from around in different states etc.. Having the view from both sides of the fence is good.  Gives you good perspective.  


Hey witch,

GET A DICTIONARY AND LOOK UP THE TERM SOCIALIST. Being a democrat and a socialist isn't the same thing. You look stupid using that term because you aren't using it correctly. Clearly you don't know what the term means

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Why is it you have to resort to calling people names? Do you think it strengthens your point or does it just make you feel better?

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Just because you might not like "obamacare" doesn't mean many people aren't being positively affected by it!!!!!

And just because you might like "obamacare" doesn't mean many people aren't being negatively affected by it.

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excerpt from New World Encyclopedia:

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Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which the ownership of industry and the distribution of wealth are determined by the state or by agents of the state or the collective. In its most general sense, socialism seeks the co-prosperity and common cause of all people, which could be accomplished without force in religious and utopian communities. But, in general practice, it refers to the use of state force to redistribute wealth.


If some can't see the similarities then who is the stupid one?

Now I know why CRMS hates the political talk on a softball site.  She is still waiting for obamacare to kick in so her Prozac is covered again


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Wow Cal, hope your bedside manner is better with patients.
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In the name of fair and balanced, Sox is trying to counter PGP even though he lost his posting privileges
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slideby - Are you kidding? This doesn't even approach the whiney, idiocy, sick and demented adjectives once used by others inside here, (well I suppose it approaches those but not PGP).  In any event, your record of only calling out one side stands secure. 

That aside, I do find the personal name calling unnecessary and does little to promote the survival and growth of this website.
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Well Mr. Dewey, you didn't disappoint.  I knew you could be counted on.  I guess the hyperbole wasn't as obvious as i thought.  Sox has been nothing short of nasty ever since she announced why she sticks to softball and then began frequenting Misc.  I didn't realize it was my job to call out more than one side.  I callz em the way I see em.  It is interesting that you of all people would comment on another poster only calling out on side.



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slideby says...I callz em the way I see em. 

Ummm...no you don't.  You search out those on one side to criticize and rarely post an opinion on a subject without condemning somebody in the process.  JG was the latest.  In any event, I edited my post just before you posted to note the term Sox is using does approach some of the negative ones from the past and is not helping civility inside here.
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Dewey at least PGP was a regular and took the heat andcontinued to debate in his way.  Cal likes to show up every once in a blue moon and then snipes if he/she does not agree.  At least you knew PGP and he was willing to put himself out there and take the heat.  Cal takes pot shots and runs.
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sbmom - PGP called for the death of people.  It was a different game altogether and a very uncomfortable one to say the least.
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So Mr. Dewey, your arrogance and omnipotence now extends to telling others what they see.  Actually it is not as general as you say, but more like you and JG because you are worthy of the condemnation.  I don't name call and what I do is little different than what you do.  You sir, rarely post without characterizing other posters style, presentation, tone, veracity etc.  It is like a parent chiding children.  It is really tiring.  You would be so much more bearable if you simply posted your opinion and let it go at that.
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dewey, lets put it this way.  If PGP had been on your side of the fence, I dont think he' be gone.
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Susan - I completely disagree with your last post, but placed into your frame of reference I can see how you would arrive at that conclusion.    Frank
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slideby 7 - And you, on the other hand, see yourself as the bearer of the real "omnipotent" truth, offended by the "arrogance" of others who disagree with you, and all warm and cuddly in your approach as you chastise the perceived evil doers, but oh so politely, addressing each in the Victorian mode?? Do you perceive the humor in all this?  "Your daughter is a loudmouth, but my daughter is a vivacious cheerleader".     Frank

PS - In boxing lingo, you would be called an "opponent" with the capability of counterpunching with the best but never offering the first blow of a flurry.  Some boxers earned a living that way but seldom were called "champions".  

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Actually Mr. Joisey I am a huge boxing fan.  You remind me of a fighter friends and I described as not having much of a punch but making up for it with his glass jaw.  You and Mr. Dewey constantly chide others for , if you will, inappropriate posts and yet are so quick to respond when anyone takes issue with what the two of you do.  I have never suggested I am the bearer of omnipotent truth or that I am offended by disagreement.  No matter how colorful your posts and how filled they may be with famous quotes, you are nasty and vitriolic.  Why can't you simply make your point in a given thread rather than all too often commenting on how another poster said what they said and how they should have said it.  I don't have a problem with anyone disagreeing with my opinions(or anyone else's for that matter), I just tire of the constant chiding of others by the two of you.  I suspect soon Mr. Dewey will search and come up with some of my posts wherein I have done the same, shame on me.  Have a nice day.
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Why can't you simply make your point in a given thread rather than all too often commenting on how another poster said what they said and how they should have said it. 


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I suspect soon Mr. Dewey will search and come up with some of my posts wherein I have done the same, shame on me.


slideby - That won't be hard, back up ten posts to the point that started all this, you having a need to comment on another poster.  Practice what you preach.  That said, we both know you had a dual purpose and that was to suggest some members at UCS are not treated equally to others.  I thought I'd point out how wrong you were since your comment was likely intended for me.  How about you quit analyzing folks, (your last two posts were shots at JG and Sox), and just comment on the subject once in awhile?  We'll all be better for it.
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excerpt from New World Encyclopedia:

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Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which the ownership of industry and the distribution of wealth are determined by the state or by agents of the state or the collective. In its most general sense, socialism seeks the co-prosperity and common cause of all people, which could be accomplished without force in religious and utopian communities. But, in general practice, it refers to the use of state force to redistribute wealth.


If some can't see the similarities then who is the stupid one?

Now I know why CRMS hates the political talk on a softball site.  She is still waiting for obamacare to kick in so her Prozac is covered again



dewey, your last 4 posts on this thread [and 2 by your buddy Joisey] have proven slideby correct in his assessment of you.  You have done nothing to contribute to the thread but call out certain poster's style or substance. 

I did answer a question of yours from post #92 or so where you asked the difference in a socialist and the new progressive movement in this country.  Many of us on the right see no difference in the socialist's agenda and what you and your ilk are doing to the rest of us. 

I take the definition above from the NWE as what I need to know in a nutshell. 
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indeed

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keepinitreal - Sorry but we disagree.  But it gives you an opportunity to take another jab at me, kind of like calling my posts gibberish.  It is what it is.  A member had to jump in-between our conversation and try to make a point how the moderator tries to have some people dumped and not others for doing one and the same.  He could have just come in and joined our discussion but he chose his normal approach.  He's been taking similar jabs at me for eight years now.

As to our discussion, when you can describe a left leaning Democrat who is not a Socialist, I will understand your definition.  Please give it a try and clear it up for me.
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Spazdad and Blue - Ok !  The doctors that I know live a rather lavish lifestyle but they have been in practice for a while.  That is just fine with me. They chose a difficult profession and seem to be earnest fellows within that profession.  One is very liberal in his politics, and one is very conservative.  Both have common sense and can thus discuss politics without becoming overly emotional.   To me, a rather lavish lifestyle is one in which a person doesn't think about whether he should or could  buy a house or not, but rather what kind of house he wants in which gated community and can pay cash for; not whether he can afford a car, but rather what type car he wants, and he pays cash for it if his accountant says that's the way to go.  In my idea of a lavish lifestyle Daddy buys a new car for each kid when each kid reaches the age to drive one.  In my idea of a lavish lifestyle, kids are born going to college, and Daddy doesn't worry about the cost, but rather whether junior can get into "the college of his choice".  Without thought to cost, each child will go to a prestigious private school if that is deemed best for him or her.  There is no discussion of whether the family will go on vacation, but rather just where they will go, Aspen for skiing or Bermuda for the beach and sun, or wherever.  Of course there is an opulent lifestyle well beyond this (Mr. Lavish stays at the very best hotels - Mr. Opulent owns them and has a financial advisor who invests wisely) , but the noted lifestyle aspects that I've mentioned would be plenty  "lavish" enough for me and mine and thus I define a lavish lifestyle from where I sit.

As for earning success, anyone who has survived medical school has earned that lavish lifestyle that I described except a few clunkers who barely made it and don't practice well.  Even with Obamacare, I don't think that any of these doctors will exactly be worried about where their next meal is coming from.  That lavish lifestyle and pride in ones work is plenty enough for a definition of societal "success" (given good health) for me.  Personal ethics and a good values system is food for thought for another day.

Frank   



This is a gross mischaracterization of how the vast majority of people with money conduct their affairs, at least in my experience. With some exceptions (mostly nouveau-riche "entertainers") cost and value factor heavily, particularly when buying property, but on down the line to cars, education

One thing missingfromthe "tax the wealthy" hysteria of liberals, I can tell you from many conversations that the net impact of increasing taxes will result in lower charitable contributions toward everything from homeless and womens shelters to medical research (AIDS, cancer, diabetes, etc), alumni contributions for education, religious organizations and so forth. The more "loopholes" Obama closes, the more these organizations that serve the needy will be impacted.
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Many people here are disrepectful, mask insults, and use certain words to try and demean and yank the chain of their target. ...but those actions although rude are outside the grey zone.
CalRox stepped into the grey zone with his insults towards sbmom. Witch is basically calling someone b*tch. CalRox owes her an apology for that remark.
PGP stepped beyond the grey zone with vile insults towards many people and crude remarks. Made their point then added insults as if they were spiking the ball and doing the gangan style dance after a td.
PGP was warned several times to tone it down, had several posts deleted and responded to all of that by giving the finger and continuing. Dewey did not ban PGP...ownership did and robocoach said they received tons of complaints about PGP, warned them, and it still continued so they booted PGP. No one person is bigger or more important than the forum as a whole (which is also why ownership said if people do not behave in misc. this section would be deleted). This is a moderated forum not a "insult and flame" forum. Keep comments from being personal attacks and insults is a rule. Ownership pays the bills, made the rules of conduct here that we agree to by being members and posting, and they can boot anyone at anytime for disrupting their forum. My guess is either ownership has already blown off this forum and will let it diefrom non-payment at end of january or they will return, be disgusted with more complaints about misc section, read the dirt from the past few weeks of mud slinging, and pay the bills and delete this section.

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Article on double digit increase in health care premiums. Looks like O'care is taking good care of Insurance companies. Who pays?

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/01/07/insurers-raising-rates-double-digits/
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The $2.7 trillion question: Are health-care costs really slowing?


Aon Hewitt just announced that the average health care cost per employee was $10,522 in 2012, up from $10,034 in 2011.


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Well I guess a $500 increase is just like a $2500 decrease. Isn't that what was said we would see? Now instead of touting savings we will be told "At least they are going up a little less than before"

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