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$85 million for Obama vacations, travel -- and still growing...
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Still time to get in a few good vacations for Michelle, the Mother in Law, and the girls.  Heck the girls can do something like to Cancun alone for Spring Break, while Michelle takes Mom to Paris.

Oh wait, we've done that.  Maybe something more exotic as a last hurrah.  Maybe they can all 4 go to far flung corners of the globe by themselves, to quadruple the expense.

You know, get even with the man for all of the oppression and racism they've experienced over their downtrodden lives.
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Griz, where ya been?  I saw at least 5 threads started by you griping about how much Obama played golf.  (And even one on his tweets.)  But not a single peep out of you about DT's rounds of golf, travel costs, extra costs for Melania in NY, etc., etc.  Why not????

Your first post says $85 million for Obama vacations through December 16 - after 8 years ($97 million total, according to many reports I saw).  Costs so far for Trump - estimated as of 2 weeks ago by Vanity Fair - at almost $22 million - in less than 12 weeks!

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/04/trump-lifestyle-cost-taxpayers-billion-dollars

Plus $50,000 or more per day to keep Melania and Barron in NY.  Plus SS protection for all the family members, including travel costs for them to accompany family members on all their PR jaunts to their properties all over the world. 

And what did taxpayers pay to Trump entities for office space, hotel rooms, meals, etc. during the transition?  Office space for this purpose is provided in DC to the incoming administration, but DT wanted to do it all in NYC.  Of course he did - he could make money doing so.  How much did taxpayers pay for the state dinners at Mar-a-Lago?  How much in travel costs to bring his Cabinet and advisors down to FL for the weekend?  How much for their hotel rooms?  Their meals?  Their golf?  You know DT is charging US for all these things.  It just goes on and on.  And he's promised to turn over the "profits" from these activities to the US Treasury, but to date, zero (as far as I can tell).  He donated $78,000 or so from his salary, but he's made far more than that from all these charges to the government, so I don't admire his "generosity".

And nothing from the Obama complainers.  Funny how that works.  Hypocrisy at its finest.

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Originally Posted by DietCoke
Griz, where ya been?  I saw at least 5 threads started by you griping about how much Obama played golf.  (And even one on his tweets.)  But not a single peep out of you about DT's rounds of golf, travel costs, extra costs for Melania in NY, etc., etc.  Why not????

Your first post says $85 million for Obama vacations through December 16 - after 8 years ($97 million total, according to many reports I saw).  Costs so far for Trump - estimated as of 2 weeks ago by Vanity Fair - at almost $22 million - in less than 12 weeks!

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/04/trump-lifestyle-cost-taxpayers-billion-dollars

Plus $50,000 or more per day to keep Melania and Barron in NY.  Plus SS protection for all the family members, including travel costs for them to accompany family members on all their PR jaunts to their properties all over the world. 

And what did taxpayers pay to Trump entities for office space, hotel rooms, meals, etc. during the transition?  Office space for this purpose is provided in DC to the incoming administration, but DT wanted to do it all in NYC.  Of course he did - he could make money doing so.  How much did taxpayers pay for the state dinners at Mar-a-Lago?  How much in travel costs to bring his Cabinet and advisors down to FL for the weekend?  How much for their hotel rooms?  Their meals?  Their golf?  You know DT is charging US for all these things.  It just goes on and on.  And he's promised to turn over the "profits" from these activities to the US Treasury, but to date, zero (as far as I can tell).  He donated $78,000 or so from his salary, but he's made far more than that from all these charges to the government, so I don't admire his "generosity".

And nothing from the Obama complainers.  Funny how that works.  Hypocrisy at its finest.

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Isn't Mar-a-Lago, where he goes on weekends a la Camp David or Kennebunkport, etc., a golf course?  Does that mean he played golf?

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I dunno, kinda seems like a legit question. Trump is golfing his ass off, not a good look considering his obama-golf abuse coupled with the need to get sh1t done immediately, which people may rightly assume isn't happening due to his golfing. Mostly it's another optic of him doing what he said he wasn't gonna do. Of course, he's tweeting from the course, so there's that.
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He needs to park his butt in the White House and not go running off to his gilded cage on weekends. Golf or no it looks bad. Along with that Melania needs to move into the WH as well.
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The rare valid point from DC. He needs to stay in Washington and get his job done.
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I dunno, kinda seems like a legit question. Trump is golfing his ass off, not a good look considering his obama-golf abuse coupled with the need to get sh1t done immediately, which people may rightly assume isn't happening due to his golfing. Mostly it's another optic of him doing what he said he wasn't gonna do. Of course, he's tweeting from the course, so there's that.


Do you know this to be true or are you just guessing?  How do you know he's not sitting in his palace working? 
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The rare valid point from DC. He needs to stay in Washington and get his job done.


It's 2017.  Work can be done from anywhere.
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Do you know this to be true or are you just guessing?  How do you know he's not sitting in his palace working? 


All my work on the golf course involves the cart girl.

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He has indeed golfed 19 times in the first 100 days.  Overalll, agree, it creates a bad optic.  

To defend a bit though.  

About half of those rounds are with Senators and Representatives, often the ones he is most at loggerheads with.  Like the White House bowling alley.  It is often a good thing to invite someone you need to come to terms with to a more social oriented events.  It allows you to get the other guys perspectives, what really motivates them, without working directly on the contentious issue.

Also, obummer tended to take many weekends off.  Often going to Camp David wth the family.  He would on occasion have democratic operatives over to Camp David, but it was pretty rare.  When he did play golf, he tended to play during the week.  I think playing with politicians never happened.  So it was more skipping out on a workday.

Still overall, would like to see Trump getting nose to the grindstone and getting healthcare and tax reform hammered out.  Things he has done to date have this economy on rails and we are starting to make reasonable gains on our employment situation.  Just need to get more of it done, always.



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travel back and forth to, and security at, mar a lago is adding up. he needs to stay in dc awhile
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travel back and forth to, and security at, mar a lago is adding up. he needs to stay in dc awhile


I agree

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I'll disagree.  Deals can be done from anywhere.  Should he spend time in DC?  Of course.  Does it have to be all the time?  I don't think so.
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"President Donald Trump said Friday that he’s avoiding New York City because his trips are “too expensive” for the country.

In an interview with Fox News, Trump said he feels “guilty” when he returns to Trump Tower because authorities close surrounding streets and "I hate to see the New Yorkers with streets closed." He says he goes to his clubs instead because they have "hundreds of acres" and streets stay open.

Trump says he's always accused of "having fun" or playing golf at his clubs but says he's always working."


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The cost estimates on Mar-a-Lago trips are inflated because they cherry picked a more expensive 3-legged, 4-day Obama trip - presumably because it included Florida - and used its costs for Trump's trips. I predict less trips to Florida now that the weather is decent up north.

Trump knows how to leverage things at his disposal to make favorable impressions via unique experiences. He does it frequently and regularly with the WH and Oval Office. I expect he'll strategically use properties like Mar-a-Lago to entertain visitors, especially those that have previously visited the WH.

I agree with uwA that Trump uses golf to build relationships. The rounds with the Japanese PM Abe are a perfect example.

Obama played 300th round last August and typically they were with aides. It was a private leisure activity for him that he very rarely used for work-related purposes. 
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$200k per hour to operate AF1.  A couple hours there, a couple hours back, a little taxi time, and it's easily $1M per trip to S. FL.  Add in the crew staying over for the weekend, on and on, and the numbers aren't too inflated.

As for "working" while golfing - ummm, yeah.

You can build a relationship perhaps, but that's not the same as working.
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$200k per hour to operate AF1.  A couple hours there, a couple hours back, a little taxi time, and it's easily $1M per trip to S. FL.  Add in the crew staying over for the weekend, on and on, and the numbers aren't too inflated.

They cherry-picked a $3.6M 4-day trip that included a stop in the midwest (Chicago IIRC). Obama's 1-day trip to Florida cost $1M ($866.6k flight, $145.7k SS). Part of the Secret Service costs are extensive advance planning/preparations and getting local transportation (i.e ground vehicles and, if necessary, helicopters), so repeated trips are less expensive than initial ones - especially ones where they keep vehicles in place.

I'm not saying it's inexpensive, just that it's not as expensive as dishonest detractors have portrayed it.
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What I saw said AF1 cost 180-200k per hour to operate.  Didn't talk about SS, set up, or anything else.

So, say it's way off, and it's 150k per hour.  It costs a heck of a lot of money to fly the POTUS all over the place.  We all cracked on Obama for that, but we are still in the 100 day window, so criticism is not allowed.

NOTE: Haven't even talked yet about the wide and kid not living in the WH, and the cost of protecting and escorting them everywhere in another city.
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What I saw said AF1 cost 180-200k per hour to operate.  Didn't talk about SS, set up, or anything else.
Judicial Watch cited $206k/hour - http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-air-force-records-show-obamas-single-day-earth-day-trip-to-florida-everglades-cost-taxpayers-866615-40-in-flight-expenses-alone/

So, say it's way off, and it's 150k per hour.  It costs a heck of a lot of money to fly the POTUS all over the place.  We all cracked on Obama for that, but we are still in the 100 day window, so criticism is not allowed.

C'mon Mike, the issue is the dishonest $3.6M per trip estimate they're applying to Trump's trips. I expect the actual cost average will be more like a third of that.

More info on Obama's trips - http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/.


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What I saw said AF1 cost 180-200k per hour to operate.  Didn't talk about SS, set up, or anything else.

So, say it's way off, and it's 150k per hour.  It costs a heck of a lot of money to fly the POTUS all over the place.  We all cracked on Obama for that, but we are still in the 100 day window, so criticism is not allowed.

NOTE: Haven't even talked yet about the wide and kid not living in the WH, and the cost of protecting and escorting them everywhere in another city.


to criticize, criticize; save the nitpicking.  

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