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They did on the HCB. They even coached the administrations attorneys as how to argue their case before the court. Yes they did indeed..


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Ever the narcissist, Obama immigration speech will laud bipartisan work of Congress for proposal that is very near to what he himself has proposed.
Note that it's also very similar to what Bush proposed years ago.
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Marco Rubio had to school the president today when obama stated he would draw up a bill on immigration reform and send it to congress to be voted on (if they didn't act soon enough).  He already has broken his promise to work on immigration reform in his first year in office, another of his many lies.   Marco had to remind the president that that is not how the constitution works, "lawmakers write the laws and not the president", "the president can decide if he wants to sign or veto them", said Rubio.

So you see, there truly are many,many people [including the Supreme Court and Congress] that keep having to remind this jackass that there is protocol that he needs to follow.  Secure our borders and then we can let the criminals become citizens.  The gimp wants to bargain on the deal

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A President can indeed write a bill.  However, he will need a member of Congress to introduce his bill.  Doubt he'll have much trouble finding one.
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What was the point of spending $1.6M of our money to fly to Vegas for that boiler plate special of a speech today? Aren't there enough people in DC who can chant "Si, si puede!" or was theSecret Service overdue for a visit to some brothels?

We can only hope that with Congress working together on Immigration Reform that Obama has enough sense to get out of the way and let them do what they are in Washington to do. It's obvious he wants to make this legislation "his" but really needs to realize this is working well without any constant interjection from the WH.

Among the humorous aspects of the speech was his threat that if Congress didnt act quickly enough he would write up his own bill and send it to them. As if they would vote and his bill and not their own. Yes, it's all about you, Barry.

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He is such a narcisist and liar.  He doesnt give a crap and he knows better than you whats good for you.  I am just gonna shove my stuff through because I know better and I won the election.
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OK, the latest Constitutional violation by the monarchy.  ICE agents have brought a lawsuit against the obama administration because of his self imposed expansion of powers.  Seems his executive orders under the 'dream' act has overstepped boundaries again.  These violations keep mounting.  Case will probably end up in the Supreme Court.

Seems like the SC has better things to do with their time than continuously policing the mess that obama is making by shredding the constitution.

Read it here from CNN.


"ICE agents should enforce our immigration laws and apprehend illegal immigrants," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

"But the Obama administration makes it impossible for ICE agents to do their jobs."



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Article 2, section 2 of the constitution says this

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The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.


VIOLATION

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A President can indeed write a bill.  However, he will need a member of Congress to introduce his bill.  Doubt he'll have much trouble finding one.


just as your president does, you are stretching powers of the office.   Are you saying he is omnipotent? 


You doubt he will have a problem finding someone to sponsor a bill that he writes?  Why hasn't he already done it for God's sake?

Hasn't he already been forewarned by democratic senators to stay back and let the BIPARTISAN committee handle drafting the bill?  Why in the hell, after his record of not getting along with congress and violating the constitution, would he interfere with what the Congress is doing?  You are always saying "draft a bill and vote on it already".  If he was in such a hurry why didn't he draft a bill, since you say he had the power, in his first year in office as promised? [on immigration reform]

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You are always saying "draft a bill and vote on it already".  If he was in such a hurry why didn't he draft a bill, since you say he had the power, in his first year in office as promised? [on immigration reform]


keepinitreal - Your accuracy leaves a little to be desired.  I said on one issue, weapons ban, that I believed a long debate among citizens would do little to change peoples positions and this Country would probably be better off if Congress, primarily Democrats, simply drafted a bill that might survive a vote and see where we stand.  I don't always recommend a vote without significant discussion.

As for immigration reform, I'm guessing more debate was required and sixty votes weren't a lock.  However, I'm not on the inside and can't know for sure.

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keepinitreal - Your accuracy leaves a little to be desired.


I'll be the one to decide that.  (You have said "draft a bill and vote on it already" or "Republicans in Congress should draft a bill and present it to the president" at least 15 times in this forum.)  You like it since I clarified for you?  You don't have to make this so difficult, my point I was making was you are always suggesting that someone draw up a bill, I suggested your monarch draw up a bill and have it sponsored.  I know the games you play by continuously throwing variables into your conversation.  Stop playing games and get back to defending the lawbreaker obama.

Your criticism of my 'misspeaking' and my 'accuracy' lead me to believe I am really on to something and must be making excellent points.  [where have I heard that one before]  The more I see leftists squirm I know the points must be valid. 

So what about the latest lawsuit from the 10 ICE agents vs. the obama administration?  This dude is digging in quicksand

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keepinitreal - Your description of what "I always do" was inaccurate.  I pointed this out, answered your question, and I have no desire to argue with you because you don't like the way I debate.  I think the President said if no legislation comes forward, he'll present some.  Sounds good to me.  Is that all you wanted to know?

PS:  There are always lawsuits filed to stop a President from moving forward.  Looks like your side finally won one, for now.  Do I need to present the ones the last Administration lost to show, once again, "it happens"?

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keepinitreal - Your description of what "I always do" was inaccurate.  I pointed this out, answered your question, and I have no desire to argue with you because you don't like the way I debate.  I think the President said if no legislation comes forward, he'll present some.  Sounds good to me.  Is that all you wanted to know?



No, I wanted to know why federal agents are filing lawsuits against the obama administration just to be able to do their job. 

Can you reply without bringing Bush into the conversation? 

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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I just read that President Obama's popularity is at a three year high, and that Fox's ratings are at an all time low (AOL source).  Where can I write to them to tell them that it might be true nationally, but not on UCS, Miscellaneous??   Of course I must eliminate Dewey from the conversation to do so.  Then, again, I read that our micro economy is in serious danger while Standard and Poor's Index is exploding upward.  Yikes !!  "The truth, say the gardeners, is the sun" - "The truth say the judges, well it's the law".

Robert Frost - "Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice.  From what I've seen of man, either will suffice".          "When will we (they) ever learn? When will we (they) ever learn?" - from a meaningful song by Pete Seeger.

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No, I wanted to know why federal agents are filing lawsuits against the obama administration just to be able to do their job. 

Can you reply without bringing Bush into the conversation? 


keepinitreal - Yes and no.  Ten ICE agents, (probably not huge Obama supporters), filed suit against the President's immigration order and found a judge who said they have "standing" to be heard.  We'll see how this eventually plays out.  Meanwhile, thousands of ICE agents continue to do their job.

I bring up previous examples from other Administrations to counter the implication that such a lawsuit, challenging a President, is unusual.  President Bush tried on occasions to circumvent the Clean Air Act, (to name one law), only to be stopped by the courts.  People have a right to challenge decisions using our court system.  Certainly, you already knew this but, since you asked, I answered.

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The best refutation of bringing up past admins is "Hope and Change"
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He is such a narcisist and liar.  He doesnt give a crap and he knows better than you whats good for you.  I am just gonna shove my stuff through because I know better and I won the election.


Wait, which president are you talking about Bush?  I thought you were trashing President Obama but that description sounds just like another president
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He is such a narcisist and liar.  He doesnt give a crap and he knows better than you whats good for you.  I am just gonna shove my stuff through because I know better and I won the election.


Wait, which president are you talking about Bush?  I thought you were trashing President Obama but that description sounds just like another president


Well the left sure is invoking Bush a lot today!
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ForeverInBlue - The last Administration taught us so much as to what not to do, it would be to our detriment to allow it to be forgotten.  Can you name me your favorite achievement from the last GOP Administration?
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PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THE FACT
Dewey beleives in Obama, and any mistakes made by him is due to Bush.
don't ever blame Obama for anything, he is the BEST OF THE BEST.
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Invoking Bush's actions to justify Obama doing the same thing isn't a sign of having been taught, but rather of not having learned. #FAIL

And, tax cuts.

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State Dept closed its office working on closing Gitmo.
Wasn't this a big rallying cry vs Bush, and a promise of Obama campaign?
#Broken
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When someone explains to me why it's necessary to continuously bash Obama, considering he just won re-election, I'll explain why it's necessary to emphasize the perils of the last Administration.  Some of you suggest this President should simply stand up, take responsibility for the disasters of the past, and move on as if they never happened.  To those, I would imagine he might reply that you should take accountability for the last debacle of a GOP Administration, zip it, and just sit back and let the Democrats take a shot.
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While the Grand Narcissist was congratulating himself for raising taxes on the rich...
Boehner made tax cuts permanent for 98% of Americans! BOOM!

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State Dept closed its office working on closing Gitmo. Wasn't this a big rallying cry vs Bush, and a promise of Obama campaign? #Broken #Fail


the broken promises keep mounting, along with shredding the constitution

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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While the Grand Narcissist was congratulating himself for raising taxes on the rich... Boehner made tax cuts permanent for 98% of Americans! BOOM!


Good thing he was able to at least bring along a majority of the Democrats, to offset the majority of Republicans who said no way Mr. Speaker, to pass his bill.

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Bipartisan leadership, schooling Obama on how it's done.
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Circle the date.  That should be a hoot
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His Queeg Moment

 

In Herman Wouk’s classic World War II novel, The Caine Mutiny, there is a moment when a group of the ship’s officers are getting away from the increasingly eccentric Captain Queeq by relaxing ashore.

Suddenly the malcontent Lieutenant Keefer asks the others: “Does it occur to you that Captain Queeg may be insane?

In fact Queeg is not insane, at least not at that time. He is simply grappling, more and more disastrously, with a job too big for him. Come the crisis of a typhoon, he becomes paralyzed and nearly sinks the ship by failing to give the obvious orders. At the subsequent court-martial he appears quite normal until he breaks down under the pressure of cross-examination. Before this, the officers have searched the regulations for guidance, but the regulations refer only to a captain who is clearly and unmistakably insane, not one who is merely guilty of eccentricity and bad judgment. At a lower level of responsibility, Queeg might have performed adequately, but with Keefer’s question, the remaining respect for Queeg’s office has gone.

Obama’s second inauguration speech may be his Queeg moment — an undeniable demonstration that, in an emergency, he is incapable of grappling with reality. For all his unceasing invocation of the word “change,” the outstanding thing about Obama has been his apparent inability to react, even to an imminent crisis. Like Queeg, he stands frozen on the bridge as the waves grow higher, or obsesses over issues like homosexuals and women in the military as the typhoon rises.

Faced with the worst looming fiscal cliff-fall in world history Obama, like Queeg in the typhoon, has done nothing at all, but has, increasingly, resorted to meaningless words. His pseudo-Keynesian fiscal notions and a mantra-like repetition of old and failed ideas, suggest a serious lack on mental versatility.

Economics is not an exact science, but some of its rules are now well-known, and one is that a government cannot spend its way out of a recession.

Yet Obama does not project any sense of urgency, merely a smug, radiating sense of his own greatness. The one fiscal measure to which he seems committed — taxing the rich — is infantile stuff, like Queeg’s obsession with who ate the wardroom strawberries. Any first-year politics or economics student knows that there are not enough rich, even in as wealthy a country as the United States, to have raising their taxes make any appreciable difference. President Reagan’s application of the Laffer Curve proved emphatically, and only a short while ago, that the way to both stimulate the economy and to increase government revenues is to lower taxes. And it is not hard to pick some areas as least where towering taxes would make no appreciable difference to public infrastructure.

Like Queeg, Obama shows an inability to change course when such a change is desperately needed. Giving 20 F-16 fighters and hundred of tanks to Egypt was never, in my opinion, a clever idea. Even when Egypt was an unequivocal friend its security required things like armored cars to put down street violence, not these hi-tech weapons whose only conceivable use would be against Israel. Indeed, Obama seems to show no awareness that Egypt and other major Islamic countries have changed from being friends to something like enemies in a few months. For a President of the United States there is a difference between making a bad policy choice and clinging to that policy when it is plainly completely wrong, like the Caine steaming in a circle and cutting its own tow-line. Mistakes that cannot be ignored are always someone else’s fault (refer George Bush).

The dancing is still there, the golf, the celebs, the multi-million dollar holidays, but behind them it is possible to detect a desperate emptiness, a interconnected mosaic of failure. The one much-boasted triumph, the killing of Osama Bin Laden, was the work of other men. One of those most responsible, Dr. Shakil Afridi, rots in the hellhole of a Pakistani jail, abandoned. Obama’s oath to bring the Benghazi murderers to justice seems to have been forgotten as soon as it was made, something — I am not sure if there is a word for it — actually below the level of a campaign promise. Allies have been lost or slighted in almost every part of the world, the Afghan war has brought the U..S and NATO humiliation and Russia and China lead in Space. The defenses of the U.S.’s major allies, such as Britain, are in an even more dire situation.

This does not even consider the exploding levels of domestic poverty. Restoring flexibility to the wage system, so as to give American industry a reasonable degree of competitiveness, seems out of the question.

The Western position in Mali seems to have suddenly collapsed without warning, or without preventative action being taken, and meanwhile, we have had the North Korean threat. I somehow doubt we would have had that if Reagan had been at the helm. What, exactly have things come to when a cockroach of a country, apparently run by real, certifiable lunatics, can threaten the United States with nuclear weapons? The typhoon waves are starting to break over the bridge.

 


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people get used to this true African-American. we have to put up with him for another 4 years weather we like it or not.
the only person that will enjoy these 4 years is our buddy Dewey.
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