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Dewey

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Hammer - I try to enjoy all the years and I hope you do too.  If you can set aside the gloom and doom, (the Mayan calendar for example), life's rewards are unlimited.  See you soon.
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Dewey its interesting how easily you posted that, yet say you are for the people.   The govt is screwing people daily.  Especially, those working poor that you talk about.  This admin has added lots to those numbers and the govt and his elitest croney buddies are making out like bandits at the expense of the middle class as usual.    There are alot of people who are in their 50's and 60's that may never see their financial stability and assets come back to where they were due to a socialist big govt mentality.    Are you really that clueless as to how this admins policies are going to negatively effect the citizens of this country that are just trying to work hard and make and honest living and life for themselves.
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sbmom - I'm not clueless at all.  You and I simply have different perspectives.  It is interesting that one day I'm reading the Democrats are buying all the votes and the next day they are screwing all the people.  I once made a list pointing out all the things this Administration has done on behalf of many citizens in this Country.  It's still in here somewhere.
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Dewey it is an understatement to say you and I have different perspectives.  4 yrs have shown that we are going the same way as all the other socialist countries, but we could go alot faster, because we have so many more people and we have an open southern border which is allowing millions who have lived in a communist society coming in starting to suck the wealth and good out of our country bringing it down even further with the help of the elitists in govt etc who will gladly take the power you as well as the ignorant give them to screw the rest of us.  Thanks.
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I read that Jesse Jackson wants Homeland Security to patrol the neighborhoods in Chicago to help out with the murders/gangs/etc.
What bothers me about Obama almost more than anything is the fact that he is absent when it comes to helping the black community. You hear alot from him on MLK day, but it's usually relating MLK to something to do with immigration or woman's rights, very little on the problems that the black community is having...high unemployement, crime, education opportunities, high abortion rates, single mothers raising children, etc. They are crying out for some leadership & with president Obama being the first black president with commanding respect & support in the community, he could be that man.
 Why have the blacks done worse under this president? Maybe LMSSB could pop on & comment, I respect her opinion & would really like to know.
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This is pretty disgusting.  

http://www.bit.ly/VMQYE4


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Dewey

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sbmom - Sometimes, one just can't win.

Oversight of organizations borders on nonexistent

Three years ago, Reich co-authored a study titled "Anything Goes," which showed that 98 percent of the 50,000-plus applications for tax-exempt status filed with the IRS by new charities each year are approved.

"Oversight of the creation of nonprofit organizations, and the conferral of tax privileges that accompany nonprofit status is weak, bordering on nonexistent," the study said.

Reich recently said the situation hasn't changed, and given the potential for redundancy and waste, "the need for greater scrutiny [of charities] is as high as ever."

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I bet he did.  He's a lib that believes everything should be govt centric.  Nice an convenient for socialists to get rid of their competition.  Just like the fed suing S&P, no one else just the rating company that down graded them.  Isnt it convenient.  This admin as anticipated is getting more thuggish and leftist every day.  The amount of money they are costing the private sector in suits alone is appauling.  But it is convenient for them as it is money and effort that cant be spent elsewhere not to mention, time passes and people loose interest.  There is nothing I dont think that is not going south, but they sure are feeding the lawyers.  The two industries that have improved under obama, lawyers and gun manufacturers, but even gun manufacturers may be seeing the end if Rahm and obama have their way.
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 just what the left wants.

http://www.drudge.tw/11Lt10z



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B10IS1

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Little bit off the subject, but everytime I listen to Harry Reid speak from the Senate floor, i have to turn my sound up about 50% to hear him & what is he looking at? He never appears to be looking at anyone?
My wife says I'm getting hard of hearing or it might be selective hearing. what do you think? Is it me or just because he reminds me of a snake oil salesman?
When I was a little shaver, my dad used to always stress having a firm hand shake & MOST IMPORTANT, he told me to look a person in the eye & " speak up son,speak up ", so they can hear you.
My dad pretty much thought that if you didn't do the above, you prettty much couldn't be trusted...just wondering.
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Dewey - do you think anything about this country or economy has fundamentally changed under Obama?
Dewey

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pabar - I can hear some of your fellow Conservatives moaning out loud and asking "why did you ask him that?"   In any event, you can read about many of the improvements I've discussed before at this link.

Everyone in here already knows I think we're much the better today than the day before President Obama took office.  I expect we'll improve much more by the end of another four years.  Rather than repeat specifics I've written many times before I'll be more general and state, without a doubt in my mind, we are far better off internationally, domestically, and economically today than we would have been if President Obama had lost in 2008.  Not sure if that's what you want to know but it's what I believe.

While guessing precisely where your question may have been leading, I'm going to ask one in return.  When it comes to policy, decisions, laws, etc., (not personality), have you seen anything this President has done, or not done, that a President Bill or Hillary Clinton may have done or decided otherwise.  Even if one is going to be vague and suggest the Clintons would have been better at working with the opposition, more cooperative, or whatever term some here like to accuse Obama of lacking when it comes to working with the GOP, please name me one or two things the more "congenial" Clintons would have got passed, or some hiccup they would have avoided, when compared to President Obama?  In other words, what did your side want done where Hillary would have helped?  As much as the Right says otherwise, this Administration, imo, is every bit the Democrat Administration Bill was, or Hillary would have been.  Again, if you know any policy or laws made, or unaddressed, that Hillary would have done differently, please share them with me.  Thanks.

PS:  Remember, the health insurance mandate was Hillary's idea.
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You didn't really answer my question.

But last things first.  I think Hillary would be no different than Obama.  She's just as much a socialist but does a better job of pretending otherwise.

I didn't ask you if things were better.  I asked if things were fundamentally different.  

Example One - Obama said that special interest groups would have no access to his White House.  The records show that special interest groups enjoy just as much, if not greater, access to an Obama white house as with previous administrations. 

Example Two - Obama said he would close Guantanamo Bay, ostensibly because of its unpopularity with the American people.  That didn't happen.

Example Three - Obama has made it abundantly clear that he believes the rich are too rich and the poor are too poor.  But the gap between them has widened during his watch.

Example Four - Obama claimed, before he was president, that the growth in our national debt was unpatriotic but we all know what's happened to it since he's been in office.

Example Five - Obama has claimed to be a champion for the poor and that he would stand up to Wall Street.  The fact is, Wall Street companies are some of his biggest supporters.

Example Six - Obama claimed that the devestation to our foreign policy caused by Bush would be healed just because of Obama's charm.  The reality is that North Korea has become more dangerous, Russia has no respect for us, the Middle East is certainly no better off than it was 4 years ago and Iran is close to upsetting the world balance with its nuclear ambitions.

Example Seven - Obama promised transparency in the White House.  He promised the American public would have 5 days to read legislation before it was submitted to Congress for a vote.  But Obamacare, as we all know, was never shown to the public.  In fact, no politicians even read it.  Nancy Pelosi famously said it had to be passed in order to see what was in it.

There are numerous more examples but the point is that, despite the "hope and change" campaign, the world is really no different than when Obama took office.  I already posted a list of major economic indices showing that most are worse now than when he took office so your generalization about things being better really has no legs to stand on.

My ultimate point is that Obama is a fraud.  B10 pointed this out very nicely when he talked about how much worse the black community is now than when Obama took over.  You see, results never get in the way of a socialist's dreams.  It is the structure that matters, not whether it benefits mankind.

We know that few individuals can fundamentally change the trajectory of an entire nation yet that's what we were sold in the form of this community organizer.
Dewey

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Quote:
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My ultimate point is that Obama is a fraud. 


pabar - You and a few others have been trying, and will continue to try, to convince some, or all, that such is the case.  I totally disagree and have hundreds of posts describing successes and improvements to counter your conclusion.  There are several inside here who I doubt are patiently waiting for me to post them again.  Has everything magically changed as this President would have hoped?  No.  Change is hard, as Obamacare, financial reform, and gay right issues have proven.

If this President leaves with a strong economy, immigration reform complete, two wars ended, gay marriage legal, preventive care accessible to all, safety nets secured, college education more accessible, and some advancements in alternative energies, he'll go down as one of our more successful Presidents ever.

Transparency.  Guantanamo.  This President continues to push his policies to grow the middle class, despite an uncooperative Congress and has restricted the growth in spending.  Finally, foreign policy is always a great challenge for every President and always will be.
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Obama will never go down as a successful President.
pabar61

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Dewey - you're not getting my point. I know that being president is difficult.  But absolutely nobody has ever touted himself or had others tout this guy as much as Obama.  He literally said he would cause the sea levels to stop rising.  He said he would fundamentally change this country.  Nobody has ever fallen so short of his own swagger.
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Anyone interested in how Obama justifies killing Americans, and why you should be interested, read these articles on a leaked DoJ document, from NBC News and The Atlantic.



http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16843014-exclusive-justice-department-memo-reveals-legal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite&preview=true


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/02/take-rare-look-how-obama-decides-send-drones-kill-americans/61794/
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Now even the NYT has published a piece calling for U.S. intervention in Syria.

Meanwhile, Obama's foreign policy continues to flounder, miserably.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/opinion/global/roger-cohen-intervene-in-syria.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
Dewey

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pabar - I remember hearing many pundits and politicians on the Right claim anyone can beat Obama and that the Senate majority would be owned by the GOP.  The Right said Obamacare was unconstitutional and that tax rates would never go up.  I hear what you are saying about promises of politicians and I once replied that I believe candidate's campaign speeches should be viewed as intended goals and to understand not all will be achieved.  I had hoped the top tax rate would start at $250,000 and the estate tax exemption would have been smaller.  You win some and you lose some.  That said, this President has accomplished, or made significant headway, in many areas that concern this Democrat.  I'm not sure what good it would do me to focus in on some of the things in your list that remain unresolved as opposed to championing the things we have accomplished.  Besides, I've been suggesting your Party needs to spend more time finding a clear and precise message that sells their philosophy, in hopes of rallying the electorate, and less time trying to convince them they should be disenchanted.
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I agree that the Republican party needs to regroup, find some new leaders & get their message out.

I would start by telling Karl Rove to take a hike.

The other day I attended a function for 40 Days For Life [ pro-life organization ] & what I found interesting is that many Hispanics supported & was told can be expected to take part in the 40 day prayer vigil.
Now there is an example that the Republican party is not getting their message across. Hispanics, who as I have been told are very much prolife, vote for a president that is most pro abortion president ever?


Here is another one to think about.
Dewey is always claiming that nobody came down on president Bush like they do on president Obama. To that point; do you all remember how the media highlighted the military fatalities when Bush was in office? As I remember, many papers had a box up in the right hand corner with the total deaths...these days hardly a thing said by the media.
U.S. Military fatilities by year [ Congressional research report 12/2012 ]
01-11, 02-49, 03--45, 04-52, 05-98, 06-98, 07-117,08-155, 09-311, 10-499, 11-414 & 12-310.
Imo, it doesn't do us any good to blame the deaths on anyone,it would be best if we could end them all.
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I agree Rove needs to go.  A lot of political money machine there, so question if it can be done any time soon.
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Susan - I have a reasonable question for you.  What is your take on the recently exposed international "Torture" group headed by the "W" Bush administration?   Frank

PS - Remember that Rove was the brilliant political mind behind the "W" Bush election campaigns.  He made excellent use of the "fear" and "demonizing" style of politics.   Bush, rightfully so because of the results, was enamored of Rove's party - political mind.  Rove was as great a spinmeister as ever existed in politics since Raspuetin.  The man was good at what he did !  One can question his ethics, but not his results.  

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Wonder for how long we are going to blame Bush because the economy started going bad as of 2008.
in my pojnt of view Dewey will do it until the next election when a republican most likely will win.
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Dewey - In my mind, the Republican political Party should reexamine the theory and practice of "Compassionate Conservatism" and from there, in practice, show the American people something to vote for beyond cut taxes for wealthy people with the usual trickle down economic theory that never seems to get past mid management. They might also disengage themselves from the heavy duty corporate influences (lobbyists) in Congress. They might remember that "We the People" is not the top level of a capitalistic pyramid.     Frank
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"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JG I dont like most politicians, but it is a matter to me of who will bring us closer to the goal of less govt, empowering people, not govt.  Unfortunately both sides right noware concerned more with politics and buying votes than what is best for the people=less govt, taxes and more money in their own pockets and more freedom with that money to enable them to be fiscal sound, take pride in themselves and support themselves.

Now to your question of "torture."  When there are people that would love to annihilate you vs allow you to exist on this earth, PC is not exactly the way to go.  If you want to take the elitist route more power to ya. I dont think the route we are tking us now is making the world a safer place.  No person wants to torture or kill another, but sometimes those measures are needed.

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Hammer - Put to bed that Bush's administration was actually responsible for a huge federal debt (that is a fact of history), and concentrate on what can be done about the huge economic problem created then.  A huge problem is that many people will not acknowledge that Bush's administration created the original problem, thus many anti Bush people and pro Obama people refer back to it, as though it were new news. Hey, old news - the Bush administration left our nation in a tremendous federal debt which could destroy us as a nation if we don't do something about it - the principal and interest go on to future generations.  As for the Obama administration, we should view what that administration has done to address the huge financial problem plus the morbid micro economic situation  given them during their first four years and now beyond that.  The eras are related and should be addressed only in terms of their influence on one another, politics aside.    Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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The root cause of the financial meltdown pre-dates Bush.
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Susan - I find nothing in your post to disagree with except perhaps degree of torture.  War is not nice. My training sergeant told me "Stay alive by whatever means necessary".  That was good advice in war.   I like the description of war as "mankind at his worst dotted with incidents of nobility".  If you look back at my take on politics and government, you will find that I always say "It's the System".  I say that only because the adjective I would like to put in front of "System" is not acceptable in polite company. There is so much corruption to eliminate to realize the ideal that our Founding Fathers envisioned.      Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Agree Fib, and the libs between the Fed and Dodd Frank are creating a housing bubble all over again.  Its ridiculous.  We need to get rid of so much govt because they make laws and regs about things they really are ignorant to and ideology trumps.
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Dewey I know what you have said, but your actions of voting for Obama defy you wanting to change or get rid of it.   I can appreciate maybe voting for him the 1st time, but not the second time.  He is definitely a far left socialist ideologue and anybody should have been able to see that after his first 4 yrs and thus understand he will just make govt and system worse.  Your actions dont match your words..  Sorry JG.
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